Artak Posted June 16, 2003 Report Share Posted June 16, 2003 I'm Artak Abgaryan, I live in Russia. I looking for my relatives. I have heard about them from my grandfather, when I was little... likely they are living in USA now. My grandfather, Hovhannes Abgaryan has born in 1906 year in Western Armenia, in Van city or vicinities of Van. When there was genocide a father of my grandfather Gaspar Abgaryan has remained in Van, and grandfather his brother, sister and mother went out from city. The grandfather has lost the family, then him have rescued Russians and have brought East Armenia. In 1970 - 75 years he has found the brother, I don't remember his name, I'm afrad, but the Soviet power has put him in prison for keeping contact with USA. If you heard these names or like history, please, respond,maybe, you my relative. I want to keep contact to my relatives only. The grandfather has told, that at us the large sort, but I don't know them. We here have remained only three. If who knows the web site for like announcement, please let me know.Thanks a lot!I'm sorry for my English. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varduhi Posted July 1, 2003 Report Share Posted July 1, 2003 Hello Artak…. We used to have a neighbor who’s last name was Abgaryan and his name--> Sargis (Sako) if this sounds familiar let me know I might be able to provide you with more Information. Hopefully I can help you in some ways. And don’t worry about your English barriers its not your responsibility or any other Armenian to learn how to speak English perfectly its not our native language so therefore we don’t need to speak/read/write in English perfectly. bye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted July 1, 2003 Report Share Posted July 1, 2003 And don’t worry about your English barriers its not your responsibility or any other Armenian to learn how to speak English perfectly its not our native language so therefore we don’t need to speak/read/write in English perfectly. Does this mean I can't eat chinese food anymore? Don't worry Artak. Your English is good. Good luck in your search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varduhi Posted July 1, 2003 Report Share Posted July 1, 2003 Sip you never made any sense to me and probably never will I don’t see how food goes into language... honestly I didn’t really think you could do better then that, so I am not very surprised by your replies. bye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted July 1, 2003 Report Share Posted July 1, 2003 Sip you never made any sense to me and probably never will I don’t see how food goes into language... honestly I didn’t really think you could do better then that, so I am not very surprised by your replies. byeYah sometimes I think and talk too much in terms of food! Sorry What I was thinking is that chinese food is not our native food. But I don't see any reason why we shouldn't learn to cook it perfectly and eat it. Along the same line, even though English is not our native language, I don't see any reason why not try to learn it perfectly. The whole world is switching or has switched to English. Why should we Armenians stay behind? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varduhi Posted July 1, 2003 Report Share Posted July 1, 2003 Sip Here let me post what I wrote earlier and try to read it more carefully.. And don’t worry about your English barriers its not your responsibility or any other Armenian to learn how to speak English perfectly its not our native language so therefore we don’t need to speak/read/write in English perfectly. I mentioned that it is not our RESPOSIBILITY and we don’t have to worry about speaking English PERFECTLY and when it comes for Armenians to learn English who said I was against it (if I was then I wouldn’t learn English for my self would I?) I just said that we don’t have to stress our self because we want to speak/read/write English PERFECTLY. And about Chinese food well when there is Armenian food I don’t see the need for Chinese… do you? I think you miss understood what I was trying to say. Bye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted July 1, 2003 Report Share Posted July 1, 2003 Sounds awesome! As long as I don't have to give up chinese food, we are in total agreement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted July 1, 2003 Report Share Posted July 1, 2003 Hello Artak…. We used to have a neighbor who’s last name was Abgaryan and his name--> Sargis (Sako) if this sounds familiar let me know I might be able to provide you with more Information. Hopefully I can help you in some ways. And don’t worry about your English barriers its not your responsibility or any other Armenian to learn how to speak English perfectly its not our native language so therefore we don’t need to speak/read/write in English perfectly. bye Varduhi, I am not sure is Artak comes here often to see your response. it may be a good idea to send him a PM with your message to get him to come back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyebruin Posted July 1, 2003 Report Share Posted July 1, 2003 its not your responsibility or any other Armenian to learn how to speak English perfectly its not our native language so therefore we don’t need to speak/read/write in English perfectly. well, i guess with that line of thinking, then no armenian better be complaining about not getting a well paying job and getting ahead in this country...after all a welfare check and a minimum wage job should suffice someone who does not put in the effort to better himself or herself and work hard to realize the american dream!!...fortunately, this is NOT what most armenians are about....as we are a creative people who have contributed much wherever we have lived. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vava Posted July 1, 2003 Report Share Posted July 1, 2003 ...fortunately, this is NOT what most armenians are about....as we are a creative people who have contributed much wherever we have lived. Exactly - well said 'Bruin... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
America-Hye Posted July 1, 2003 Report Share Posted July 1, 2003 Possibly the famous US Abcarians who are writers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted July 1, 2003 Report Share Posted July 1, 2003 Artak jan Barev husov k@gtnes qo barekamnerin portsir iys edg@ - sa Haykakan Heratsankn e - > www.Armenian.com < http://www.armenian.com/white.html portsir voch miyayn / Abgaryan iyl nayev Abgarian / Hajorutyun qez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
America-Hye Posted July 1, 2003 Report Share Posted July 1, 2003 I can not believe how MYOPIC are some of the Armenians here!!!!!! When you live in a country, in order to succeed you must learn the language to PERFECTION. My father, an Armenian immigrant, went for years to Americanization language classes. He strived, year after year, to lose his foreign accent, and succeeded after 10 years. No American thought that he wasn't born in America. What kind of ESHEGUTYUN is it to say that Armenians in Amereica are not reponsible for learning the English language to perfection? Even with a number of advanced degrees, I still walk around with a dictionary under my arm. Within one month of living in France, I was a Frenchmen heart and soul. Within two years of living in California, I became a Californian, heart and soul and became "CALIFORNICATED." As the old saying goes, "When in Rome, live as a Roman." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted July 1, 2003 Report Share Posted July 1, 2003 Within one month of living in France, I was a Frenchmen heart and soul. I can only begin to imagine the horror Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
America-Hye Posted July 1, 2003 Report Share Posted July 1, 2003 Sip, In my youth , in 1967, the whole family went to Expo 67 in Montreal. We stayed at a French type hotel that had a concierge. My grandmother, though an Armenian, was an avid Francophile who had assumed all the French prejudices during her long residence in France. As the concierge made arrangements with my father about our rooms, she started to insult the concierge, telling her that she was not speaking proper French, but a poor rural dialect. I tried to explain to my grandmother that French Canadians speak another dialect, but she wouldn't listen. She then told the concierge to communicate with my father in English, since she obviously can't speak proper French. When the concierge began in broken English, my grandmother scolded her again. I believe that her behavior was a French, not an Armenian, trait. I can see why you mention horror. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varduhi Posted July 2, 2003 Report Share Posted July 2, 2003 Varduhi, I am not sure is Artak comes here often to see your response. it may be a good idea to send him a PM with your message to get him to come back. Azat thanks for letting me know. I will pm him And those who think that we are responsible to learn English perfectly then obviously we have different points of view so americatsats hye chisht anac du petka greair 99.99% america_hye bayc du gites uxaki xorurd e da im koxmic you can stop trying to tell me that we are responsibly because I can see a text by you but what it says is BLAH BLAH BLAH bye.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vava Posted July 2, 2003 Report Share Posted July 2, 2003 That's a great story Hagarag, (I hope you don't mind if I refer to you as Hagarag - it's how I was first 'introduced' to you) and you're right. That kind of superior attitude is common amongst the French - especially the Parisians. But I think I've witnessed it amonst many Armenians. I grew up with fully-formed conceptions about Russa-Hyes, Turka-Hyes, Araba-Hyes etc. and how 'they' were so different than ME. Now that I'm a little older and wiser (I said, a 'little') I realise that despite the minor differences, we are fundamentally the same.... Varduhi - you can't go through life with blinders on, or a gag in your mouth. Language is a tool - and EVERYONE is RESPONSIBLE to master the tools that ensure their livelihood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vava Posted July 2, 2003 Report Share Posted July 2, 2003 Oh, and Artak - welcome to the forum - good luck on your search Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artak Posted July 2, 2003 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2003 Hello Artak…. We used to have a neighbor who’s last name was Abgaryan and his name--> Sargis (Sako) if this sounds familiar let me know I might be able to provide you with more Information. Hopefully I can help you in some ways. And don’t worry about your English barriers its not your responsibility or any other Armenian to learn how to speak English perfectly its not our native language so therefore we don’t need to speak/read/write in English perfectly. bye Hello Varduhi, how are you?! Thanks a lot for messeges. Yeah, I have heard the name Sargis Abgarian. By my information he has died in1979-85. I don't know about his posterity, I'm afraid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artak Posted July 2, 2003 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2003 Possibly the famous US Abcarians who are writers? Hello, it was my message about Abgaryans. Do you know anything about them. Pls, answer me. Thanks... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artak Posted July 2, 2003 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2003 Artak jan Barev husov k@gtnes qo barekamnerin portsir iys edg@ - sa Haykakan Heratsankn e - > www.Armenian.com < http://www.armenian.com/white.html portsir voch miyayn / Abgaryan iyl nayev Abgarian / Hajorutyun qez MosJan Barev. Thanks axper for information!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artak Posted July 2, 2003 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2003 Hello Artak…. We used to have a neighbor who’s last name was Abgaryan and his name--> Sargis (Sako) if this sounds familiar let me know I might be able to provide you with more Information. Hopefully I can help you in some ways. And don’t worry about your English barriers its not your responsibility or any other Armenian to learn how to speak English perfectly its not our native language so therefore we don’t need to speak/read/write in English perfectly. byeVarduhi, I am not sure is Artak comes here often to see your response. it may be a good idea to send him a PM with your message to get him to come back. Hi, Azat jan I'm already here... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artak Posted July 2, 2003 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2003 And don’t worry about your English barriers its not your responsibility or any other Armenian to learn how to speak English perfectly its not our native language so therefore we don’t need to speak/read/write in English perfectly.Does this mean I can't eat chinese food anymore? Don't worry Artak. Your English is good. Good luck in your search. I already don't worry about my english. I don't worry because I'm with my brothes and sisters now. THANK YOU ALL. I hope that I will find my relatives! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varduhi Posted July 3, 2003 Report Share Posted July 3, 2003 Yeah, I have heard the name Sargis Abgarian. By my information he has died in1979-85. I don't know about his posterity, I'm afraid. Hi Artak the Sargis Abgaryan I am talking about is about in his 50's and I am sure he is not dead as far as I know last time I saw him alive was back in late 1990’s also he has a wife and two kids... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artak Posted July 3, 2003 Author Report Share Posted July 3, 2003 Yeah, I have heard the name Sargis Abgarian. By my information he has died in1979-85. I don't know about his posterity, I'm afraid. Hi Artak the Sargis Abgaryan I am talking about is about in his 50's and I am sure he is not dead as far as I know last time I saw him alive was back in late 1990’s also he has a wife and two kids... Hi, Varduhi jan!I'm sorry, the Sargis I spoke about is not the Sargis you know. Anyway, thank you very much!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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