Solutions to Nagorno - Karabakh Conflict

[Sasun]

That's why I say. The only way you keep territory is army and the willingnes to sacrifice your contrymen's lives.

But it should not be in Iraq

[Armen]

But it should not be in Iraq

I didn't foget that, Sasun jan. I am just waiting for some info to appear and some more develpments to corner you, and particularly some others. Actually, some of that info is already there if you noticed. I am just waiting for that "deadly" amount So hold your breath bud

[Sasun]

I didn't foget that, Sasun jan. I am just waiting for some info to appear and some more develpments to corner you, and particularly some others. Actually, some of that info is already there if you noticed. I am just waiting for that "deadly" amount So hold your breath bud

OK Armen jan, I will be waiting for the promised deadly blow and hopefully I will not die

[Twilight Bark]

But it should not be in Iraq

Without getting into the particulars of Iraq, I think the moral dilemma would be resolved if there were two tiers in the army. One, a voluntary elite force that is well-trained, well-paid, and is composed of individuals that have accepted to go into missions that are not strictly for defending their homes. The second tier would be "the rest", who can understand and relate to defending the territory of the homeland. The former would have the understanding that they are doing the bidding of their government, and accept the risk that their government could on occasion (or even more often) turn out to be a bunch of morons, and that they are risking their lives for their hare-brained ideas, but are nevertheless willing to assume that their superiors know what they are doing. But going into such units should be a conscious decision that should be presented in essentially that way (probably in less unflattering terms ).

[Sasun]

Without getting into the particulars of Iraq, I think the moral dilemma would be resolved if there were two tiers in the army.  One, a voluntary elite force that is well-trained, well-paid, and is composed of individuals that have accepted to go into missions that are not strictly for defending their homes.  The second tier would be "the rest", who can understand and relate to defending the territory of the homeland.  The former would have the understanding that they are doing the bidding of their government, and accept the risk that their government could on occasion (or even more often) turn out to be a bunch of morons, and that they are risking their lives for their hare-brained ideas, but are nevertheless willing to assume that their superiors know what they are doing.  But going into such units should be a conscious decision that should be presented in essentially that way (probably in less unflattering terms ).

Yes TB, that should solve the moral dilemma. That would be a good solution. Or just one special unit where Armenian paid fighters and non-Armenian nationals such as unemployed Russian mercenaries could also serve under the Armenian flag. They would be easily sent to Iraq and earn the same exact amount of benefits for Armenia as otherwise.

Edited August 23, 2004 by Sasun

[Twilight Bark]

TB, that was a typo. Edit

No, no. I am shedding plenty of crocodile tears for the discomfort the precious diplomats must be feeling.

[Armen]

The Jamestown Foundation

Thursday, September 23 -- Volume 1, Issue 91

EURASIA DAILY MONITOR

 

IS RUSSIA READY TO RECOGNIZE SECESSIONIST STATELETS WITHIN THE CIS?

 

In an apparent attempt to break the strategic deadlock now governing Russia's policies in Georgia and Moldova, some Moscow political pundits advocate a speedy recognition of the secessionist regions of South Ossetia, Abkhazia and Trans-Dniester. To justify such a move, they advise putting the problem of the post-Soviet self-styled statelets into a global context and referring to the cases of East Timor, Eritrea, and Taiwan.

 

Until recently, only Russia's neo-imperialist and populist Zhirinovsky-type politicians suggested granting full diplomatic recognition to the handful of renegade enclaves that emerged in the borderlands of the former Soviet empire. Top officials in the Russian Foreign Ministry and in the Kremlin, including President Vladimir Putin have repeated, however, that Russia staunchly supports the territorial integrity of its neighbors in the Commonwealth of Independent States. But the tough dilemma Russia is facing, particularly in Georgia, due to the aggressive reunification drive of the Saakashvili government, prompts Moscow strategists to urge a policy shift.

 

The Kremlin's strategic predicament, most security experts contend, stems from its attempt to pursue two different policies at the same time. While Russia says it respects the inviolability of Georgia's internationally recognized borders and is ready to reach accommodation with Tbilisi, it supports the leadership of the renegade regions of Abkhazia and South Ossetia, where it has conferred Russian citizenship to a significant part of local populations. Such an ambiguous course could be pursued only within the framework of the precarious status quo that existed throughout Eduard Shevardnadze's weak reign. But Saakashvili has made clear that the old status quo is unsustainable. Now comes one of Russia's traditional "accursed questions": What is to be done?

 

Two important policy papers penned by respected analysts suggest that Russian leadership should recognize the self-proclaimed republics and rethink its overall understanding of the disintegration of the Soviet Union.

 

The past decade has demonstrated the malleability of international law principles, forcefully argues Andranik Migranyan, professor at the prestigious Moscow Institute of International Relations, in the programmatic article published in the September 17 issue of Izvestiya. "No common rules exist in the international community, and in each individual case the great powers take decisions proceeding from their own interests," contends Migranyan. He points out that nobody in the West tried to prevent the disintegration of Yugoslavia or the Soviet Union, although the secession of some constituent units of these two federative states clearly violated the existing laws. For its part, Russia's Yeltsin government made a number of tragic mistakes in connection with its obsession with "liberating" itself from Gorbachev's "imperial center." If Russia had recognized the territories that seceded from Georgia, Azerbaijan, Moldova, or Ukraine in the early 1990s (i.e. Abkhazia, South Ossetia, Nagorno-Artsax, Trans-Dniester or Crimea), "It could have stimulated the analogous processes in the Baltic lands, in northern Kazakhstan, in eastern Ukraine, and probably could have prevented the collapse of the USSR," argues Migranyan. Unfortunately, the actual scenario of Russia's own secession from the Soviet Union didn't allow it to recognize the self-proclaimed state entities in the borderlands, he adds.

 

The prominent political thinker Boris Mezhuyev agrees. If Yeltsin's Russia hadn't proclaimed its independence from what he called the historic Russian (Soviet) empire, but instead associated itself with the "imperial center," many future problems could have been avoided, argues Mezhuyev in a June 22 commentary posted on the Agentstvo Politicheskikh Novostei website. To remedy the current situation, Mezhuyev believes the Kremlin should do three things. First, Russia should "honestly and clearly" call itself a former colonial empire, identify its post-imperial status, and fashion the CIS to resemble the British Commonwealth. This, he believes, will help Moscow link the situation, say, in Trans-Dniester with those in Indonesia or Africa. Second, he calls for a kind of "civic amnesty" for the unrecognized states that emerged in the wake of the post-imperial collapse. Third, Russia should unilaterally (i.e. without waiting for a comprehensive legal settlement) recognize the secessionist statelets within the CIS (APN.ru, June 22).

 

Migranyan shares this strategic approach. Nothing, he asserts, can prevent Russia from recognizing South Ossetia and Abkhazia, which, in his view, more resemble properly governed states than does Georgia, which he labeled a classic failed state. "Neither economically, nor military-politically, has [Georgia] become a state with consolidated power and efficiently working economic and political institutions," contends Migranyan. "It survives due to the support coming from the West and international financial organizations."

 

Both Migranyan and Mezhuyev assert that after the Soviet Union's collapse, the notion of territorial integrity became irrelevant. "Territorial integrity emerges where the local authorities have managed to strengthen their statehood, created viable political institutions, and maintained control within the former administrative borders," writes Migranyan (Izvestiya, September 17).

 

Both policy papers suggest that Russia should be much more assertive in the region it considers its zone of vital interest. In Migranyan's opinion, Russian diplomacy should send a clear signal that Moscow would be prepared to take unilateral moves within the CIS to protect its citizens and maintain security along its borders. Echoes Mezhuyev, "At this moment in history, the only rational actor is one who formulates the principles guiding his actions."

 

--Igor Torbakov

[Iran01]

Next time you are in war with rep of Azerbayjan: GO ALL THE WAY TO CASPIAN SEA

 

We will get off those panturks in Baku!

You will get some sea coast to have fun, some caviar, boats ...

[Arpa]

Next time you are in war with rep of Azerbayjan: GO ALL THE WAY TO CASPIAN SEA

 

We will get  off those panturks in Baku!

You will get some sea coast to have fun, some caviar, boats ...

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Hear! Hear!

Iran 01 for President!!

 

:clap:

 

But, don't you think, perhaps Iran should cleanse the so-called Iranian Azerbaijan, whatever that may mean, a virtual "fifth column" for Turanian Turkey?

Let us stop talking with forked tongues and set aside religion, "is-tupid' Islam in this case.

Remove the Turk from between us and we will be Iran-Armen brothers once again.

[Nakharar]

Next time you are in war with rep of Azerbayjan: GO ALL THE WAY TO CASPIAN SEA

 

We will get  off those panturks in Baku!

You will get some sea coast to have fun, some caviar, boats ...

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How are you going to get rid of the 40% Azeris in your country? Do you expect them to dissipate into thin air?

Or watch them storm Teheran with the Americans in 2006.

[Iran01]

Hear! Hear!

Iran 01 for President!!

 

 

 

But, don't you think, perhaps Iran should cleanse the so-called Iranian Azerbaijan, whatever that may mean, a virtual "fifth column" for Turanian Turkey?

Let us stop talking with forked tongues and set aside religion, "is-tupid' Islam in this case.

Remove the Turk from between us and we will be Iran-Armen brothers once again.

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cleanse the so-called Azerbaijan!

Actually Turkeys president was in Tehran for 2 years ago.

He wanted to visit Tabriz on his way back to Ankara. He thought millions of Turks would gathered on the street of Tabriz and ask him for Turkeys support ... bla bla a "fifth column"

But the reality was : not a single soul was there to welcome him

So they took him as a turist to some museum in Tabriz and then said goodby to him.

 

 

Yeah sure "stupid Islam"

What about you convert back to old good Zarathushtrianism!

Or import 100 000 Iranian mullah and re-educate them like Armenian priest and send them back to Qom to promoting Christianity: Armenian version

Sounds cool: Yerevan as religious center , Tehran as economic center

 

 

To be serious: All the way between Artsax and Caspian sea is populated by Talishi. They are not Turkish. Think about it! It would be a easy case for Armenia to controll that area if Armenia is gentle to these people. Which I believe you can.

[MosJan]

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To be serious: All the way between Artsax and Caspian sea is populated by Talishi. They are not Turkish. Think about it! It would be a easy case for Armenia to controll that area if Armenia is gentle to these people. Which I believe you can.

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Oh we will only if you gave me 50% of on made in Iran/Isfahan Carpet

[Iran01]

Oh we will only if you gave me 50%  of  on made in Iran/Isfahan  Carpet

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oh sorry! I forgot to mention Talishi Carpet are beatifull too

http://www.jozan.net/distrikter/lenkoran.asp

 

Go to the caspian sea: oil, Caviar, holliday on beach, carpet , new neighbours ( Russia, Kasakistan, Turkmenistan)

[Artsakh]

Iran01,

 

its very naieve ..... of you to think that the Azeri Turk scumbags within your country are Persianized and are pro-Iran. Thats not the case. They are their own people and pose a real threat to Iran. Don't think for a second that they wouldn't backstab you if they had the slightest advantage in doing so. In fact, god forbid, if the US ever decides to invade iran, the Azeri filth within your country would be the first to cause a widescale unrest in Iran and make it real easy for not only the US to attack, but also the armies of Turkey and Azerbaijan. You are real naieve person. I suppose you also think that Armenian from iran are also persianized? well, my neighbors are armenians from iran all they do all day is critize the persians as .........

 

 

 

 

Artsakh jan please don’t use any personal insults or name calling

 

Just a friendly reminder

Thank you

 

MOsjan

Edited January 21, 2005 by MosJan

[Iran01]

Iran01,

 

its very naieve  of you to think that the Azeri Turk scumbags within your country are Persianized and are pro-Iran.  Thats not the case.  They are their own people and pose a real threat to Iran.  Don't think for a second that they wouldn't backstab you if they had the slightest advantage in doing so.  In fact, god forbid, if the US ever decides to invade iran, the Azeri filth within your country would be the first to cause a widescale unrest in Iran and make it real easy for not only the US to attack, but also the armies of Turkey and Azerbaijan.  You are real naieve person.  I suppose you also think that Armenian from iran are also persianized? well, my neighbors are armenians from iran all they do all day is critize the persians as ........

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Yeah, I guess you need to change your company Your neigbors will have bad influnce on you, that is for sure.

 

I didnt say they are Persianized! If only 10% of Iranians were "Persianized" as old good time when the biggest sin, crime was a lie for them! Then Iran would never face 1979 revolution and the current situation today.

 

For you information , during II war with the help of Russians communists a panTurk with name Pishevari tried to separate Iranian Azarbaijan. He had 2 years.

But when the Russians were gone it took central government in Tehran 2 days to clean up in Iranian Azarbaijan.

It tell you a lot how must support panTurks had and have among Iranian Azari: 0%.

 

Close to same period, Dashnak had a bad attitude in Iranian Azarbaijan and started religious war. Many in Urumia ( which had/have a mixed population of Kurd, Azari, Assyrian, Armenian ) got killed.

 

Majority of PanIranist and nationlaist in Iran are from Iranian Azarbaijan:

Akhundzadeh, Taghizadeh, Iranshahr, Afshar, Kasravi, Azad Maraghei, Arani, Bahar .... Are just a few names during last 100 years whom had great influence on modern understanding of Iranism.

 

Actually I dont understand your logic! if you think Iranians should not be naive, stupid and clean up since "they are not persianized". So who is next after "Azari Turks"? Armenians!!!

Edited January 21, 2005 by Iran01

[Dave]

So do you think that they are too integrated into Iranian society to be able to do anything?

[Artsakh]

Yeah, I guess you need to change your company    Your neigbors will have bad influnce on you, that is for sure.

 

I didnt say they are Persianized! If only 10% of Iranians were "Persianized" as old good time when the biggest sin, crime was a lie for them! Then Iran would never face 1979 revolution and the current situation today.

 

For you information , during II war with the help of Russians communists a panTurk with name Pishevari tried to separate Iranian Azarbaijan. He had 2 years.

But when the Russians were gone it took central government in Tehran 2 days to clean up in Iranian Azarbaijan. 

It tell you a lot how must support panTurks had and have among Iranian Azari: 0%.

 

Close to same period, Dashnak had a bad attitude in Iranian Azarbaijan and started religious war. Many in Urumia ( which had/have a mixed population of Kurd, Azari, Assyrian, Armenian ) got killed.

 

Majority of PanIranist and nationlaist in Iran are from Iranian Azarbaijan:

Akhundzadeh, Taghizadeh, Iranshahr, Afshar, Kasravi, Azad Maraghei, Arani, Bahar  .... Are just a few names during last 100 years whom had great influence on modern understanding of Iranism.

 

Actually I dont understand your logic! if you think Iranians should not be naive, stupid and clean up since "they are not persianized". So who is next after "Azari Turks"? Armenians!!!

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Ok, first off, I fully support the current Islamic regime in Iran. Why? Because if the Islamic regime falls, the entire middle east region will be at Israel’s mercy and service. The former regime of the shah was a puppet regime of Washington and Tel Aviv, is that what you want back? The former regime was a dictatorship, no better than the current Islamic regime which some US based Iranians complain about today. If you recall, was the SAVAK secret police, which was so brutal against Iranian citizens, created, organized, and financed by Washington and Jews in Israel? So in other words, the 1979 revolution is what saved Iran and made it truly independent. If I recall correctly, is it the current Islamic leadership of Iran that is going to turn the country into a nuclear power-house, something neither the US nor Israel would allow even if they were in the friendliest of relations. Yet despite this you have some treasonous Iranians today undermining Iran’s national security by whining to US and Israeli authorities about the “dangers the Islamic regime poses to the world”-SHAME!

 

During WWII Russians were in full control of “the republic of Southern Azerbaijan.” It was returned back under Iranian jurisdiction not because there was no popular support for unification with Soviet Azerbaijan or even independence, but solely due to US pressure. I believe it was the Turk named Kiyabani who led the Iranian Azeri’s struggle for independence against Iran. He was very popular amongst the Turks in Iran, and led quite a successful and popular campaign. It was only with foreign aid and US pressure against the Soviet Union that the Shah’s army was able to override the rebels. Do you ever wonder why they called it "Azad Azerbaijan"?-because it was free from Iran.

 

I am opposing your view that Azeri Turks in Iran are different from the Turks in Turkey or Azerbaijan. This simply isn’t true. They all come from the same bloodline, and a Turk will always remain a Turk. You are arguing that since Iranian Azeris have grown surrounded by Iranian culture that they are more Iranian than Turkish. While this is true to a certain degree, just like you have some Iranians in the US who think they’re American and not Persian, but ultimately the Azeris in Iran are a people who have national aspirations. The Iranian gov’t is keeping a really close eye on them, because they pose a catastrophic danger to Iran capable of tearing the country to pieces. Do you ever wonder why there isn’t a single Azeri language school in Iran while there are so many Armenian schools and churches? If the opportunity arises, the Azeris in Iran will backstab Iran in a single second. With a combined attack from Turkey and Azerbaijan, Iran will sink. 30 million Azeris in a country of 70 million, in a country where ethnic Iranians are less than half the population, is a very serious matter.

[Artsakh]

I also wanted to add that Armenians in Iran have a history of over 600 years. For 600 years + Armenians generation after generation have grown up surrounded by Iranian culture. But that did not stop the Armenians forgetting about their national coconsciousness and aspirations, and it didn't stop them from going back to Armenian in very large numbers in the 1960's and onward. They didn't forget about their identity even when the Iranian government would do such snake-like actions as changing Armenian last names to make sound like Persian last names, for instance changing Kocharyan to Kochari, Muradyan to Muradooni, and etc..

 

Likewise, the Azeri Turks too have an identity. But unlike in the case of 100-200,000 Armenians, 30 million Azeri Turks is not a light matter.

[Iran01]

So do you think that they are too integrated into Iranian society to be able to do anything?

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Dear Dave

 

They are Iranians. They dont need to be integrated into Iranian society.

On Panturks sites , people get misinformed that Iranian Azari are 40-60% of Irans population..etc ( They are around 20-25%. And it dosent realy matter if they are 20 or 99% of population)

 

The thing is they are IRANIANS and there are a lot of intermarriage between Azari and other Iranian tribes: Kurds, Persian, Gilak, Mazani...

They do excatly the same as other Iranian tribes. The difference is in the language. The kind of Turkic they speak is "thier mother language today": It is a fact.

 

I dont know how explain it! Let me give you an example maybe you get a better understanding:

A lot of Iranian ( bothe Armenians and Persians) travel to Armenia to study.

But a few one do the same to Baku !!!

If there was so strong connection between fictive rep of Azerbayjan and Iranian Azarbaijan ! Then people should in masses travel into Baku! But the fact is they dont.

 

The same goes with Turkey! If it was because of the language so many Iranian Azari would study and work in Turkey. But they dont.

 

 

Here is two good links about the language of Azarbaijan and the name of Azarbaijan. Unfortunaly both are in Persian.

http://raasti.com/paazar01.htm

http://home.att.net/~tabriz/turkic1.htm

 

The last one is written by Ahmad Kasravi, who was from Tabriz and spoke Turkic.

It is a very good reading about when and how Turkic find its way into Azarbaijan.

I guess someone should translate it into Armenian ( only 13 pages). It is very informative.

[Iran01]

Artsakh

 

It seems to me you are infected of same kind of illness as many other Iranians!!!:

Deny and let feeling take over your judgement!

 

Millions and millions Iranians run on streets of Tehran and said:

death to Shah, Long live Khomeini

No to west, east, only islamic republic

Yes to Islam

 

Today same people disform facts and DENY:

No it was not me! It was other Iranians.

The so called revolution was stolen by Islamists.

 

 

 

Dear Artsakh!

 

When Pahlavi took over power in Iran, the Qajar dynasty ( A turkic tribe) where ruling

Iran. The Qajar Shah used to have 100 women in thier Harems, sale Caspian sea to Russia,

the south oil to England and for the few rubles, pounds have fun in Petersburg, Paris, London.

The same Qajar children are now living in New York, London and calling themselves as :

Persian princes. Why? Just to sale thier arts to better price on auction. Because "Persian" sounds

so sexy and exotice.

 

 

But what they left after: poverty, chaos, war, illnesses...

When the first Pahlavi Shah took over Iran, there was about 2000 Iranians who could read and write.

When Pahlavi left Iran 1979, only 200-300 000 Iranian studens were studying at European / American

universities.

Almost 25 years after the so called revolution, poeple still talked about 100 000 of death 1979.

The fact is 2-3 years ago IR of Iran published a list: The number of death 1979 was around 3000

people. During 1 year after revolution , around 1000-2000 Iranian officers, generals were executed

by Islamist and communists.

Yes , maybe shah was a dictator, but a good one, considering : 1400 years of Islamic culture,

Turkic and non-Turkic rullers in Iran, The Moguls attack, Russians and English influences in Iran.

 

 

The point is:

During same Turkic Qajar, panIranism start to grow in Iran. And DO NOT get surprised that the

majority of those new nationalists where from Iranian Azarbaijan. When almost all Iranians gave up

agianst Qajar! people such as Sattar Khan in Tabriz refused. He and a few men didnt give up.

He became a legened. And that was the start to take down the Turkic Qajar. Yes, when the Persian

gave up to Turkic Qajar, The Azari didnt.

 

 

I guess I understand your feeling againts Israel. But the reality is when:

France, Germany, England, USA where saling gun to Saddam, and the Arabs where supporting Saddam

with money, it was israel whom bombed Iraqs nuke and sold some gun to Iran.

During the war Iran was completely alone. When Saddam used chemical weapons on Iranian soldiers

and Kurds, the west was blind. But now Bush and Co are talking about chemical weapons in Iraq!

 

 

The politic is more complicated than that. For a few years ago Iran was in a VERY bad condition:

Sunni fanatical Taliban in Afqanistan. Saddam by his PanArabism in Iraq and the stupid falang of

proIslamist Mullah inside Iran. But Thanks to USA the Taliban are gone. Saddam is gone.

Actually you dont hear so much of Shia uprising in Iraq, they are quite and gentle for the moment.

Somehow Mullah in Iran know what is best for them. The reason is simple:

The real threat will not come from outside by USA or Israel. It is from inside.

70% of Irans population are youth and borned after revolution or do not remember it.

There is a small but strong Anti-islamic movement outside Iran AMONG some exile Iranians.

There is a solid background inside Iran to transfer the movement inside Iran.

Here is the real danger: Shiaism is a solid and important part of Irans culture. Excatly as Armenian

church is for Armenian identity.

Playing or better said enlighting the youth about Islam means :

You need to substitute the vaccum after Shiaism. And it is not a easy case.

IR of Iran has damaged the national identity so it is very easy for the youth to get attracted to

racism and fasicm. That is excatly a few panturks try to do:

create hate inside Iran. And Iranian mullah like it: They can continue to rule Iran.

 

Unfortunaly there are people among Armenians who do the same. Ofcourse I understand Armenians

perspective. If 1915 the genocide did not happen then today you would have probably 7-8 million

Armenians inside Turkey. So it is natural to hate the Turks.

 

 

 

But the thing is if Iran fall in ethnic war, then many countries around Iran will get bad times.

Especially Armenia. Yes, Iranian mullah are animals but they are smart. President Khatami once said:

We try to have good and balanced relation to our neigbors, BUT we have a special attitude towards

Armenia.

He knows what he is talking about. He knows that Armenia can be the trigger.

 

 

Do not forget that the man who formed Irans new identity, shiaism.

The man who is father of Iranians mullah of today.

The man who raped, ate Sunni male Turks.

The man who burned Armenian towns.

The man who forced hundreds of Armenians to his capital, Esfahan.

Was an Iranian Azari: Shah Ismail.

I am not surprised that you support Irans mullahs

 

 

The point is ideology such as panturkism is based on hatred.

That is the source for them to grow. Unfortunaly panArmenianism falls into same mistake.

It is explainable, considering the relation and what happened 100 years ago and before that

between Turks and Armenians.

 

I bet all my money, if Yerevan started a cultural war on Baku, enlighting the ethnic

tribes who they are and thier rights: rep of Azerbayjan would be a short page in history book.

Edited January 22, 2005 by Iran01

[Iran01]

I also wanted to add that Armenians in Iran have a history of over 600 years.  For 600 years + Armenians generation after generation have grown up surrounded by Iranian culture.  But that did not stop the Armenians forgetting about their national coconsciousness and aspirations, and it didn't stop them from going back to Armenian in very large numbers in the 1960's and onward.  They didn't forget about their identity even when the Iranian government would do such snake-like actions as changing Armenian last names to make sound like Persian last names, for instance changing Kocharyan to Kochari, Muradyan to Muradooni, and etc..

 

Likewise, the Azeri Turks too have an identity.  But unlike in the case of 100-200,000 Armenians, 30 million Azeri Turks is not a light matter.

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Are you alright ?

 

Yes Armenia is a Christian country and actually the first Christian nation on earth and ofcourse Iran is the only Shia muslim country in the world.

You speak Armenian, by its own bransch in Indo-European languages and we speak Persian.

 

But the fact is most of your words in Armenian is based on Pahlavi a dead old persian language.

It means there are still small traces of old Pahlavi in Iran too.

Such thing as " Kocharyan to Kochari, Muradyan to Muradooni " sounds as cheap panArmenian propaganda!

It is not like Armenians are from Mars and Iranians are from Jupiter!

Many Iranians have "ian" in last name. Sure 99% Armenians have "ian" in last name. But it is not strange to Iranian.

 

Many Armenians, not only them, change thier names to easily adapt into new country. Some years ago islamic republic offered small bank loan to Iranians who choosed Arabic names for thier children. Why? Because new generation in Iran prefer Iranian names.

 

It is better for you to wake up and stop seeing things in black and white.

Iran is on the top list to publish and translate Armenians litterature into Persian and other languages outside Armenia.

Do you still think Iranian government is snake-like ?

 

It has nothing to do with government!

Ofcourse they have an ideology and try to force Arabic names on Iranian.

But at the end it is people and the exchange of culture which decide which direction

people take.

 

You try the make a BIG case of Armenian "minority" in Iran to make Iranian Azari as the "BAD BAD BAD TURKS".

[gamavor]

Quite often the Azerbabooni side makes reference to the principle of territorial integrity when stating their case in front of various international bodies vis-à-vis Artsakh (Nagorno Karabagh).

The Armenian side may very successfully use the same argument, because both Nagorno-Karabagh and Nahichevan, along with the regions of Kars, Ardahan, Karin (Erzerum), and Ararat were an inseparable part of the newly established Republic of Armenia, which has been internationally recognized in the aforementioned territories. Likewise, Georgia and Azerbaijan also have been recognized in 1918 by the then international community. In 1921 by the decision of the Soviet Supreme council, based on an earlier decision of the Transcaucasian Buro of the Bolshevik party the regions of Nahichevan and Nagorno – Karabagh was handed over to Azerbaijan without taking into account the will of the Armenian people which was the predominant populace of these regions. Later, when the great powers recognized the borders of the Soviet Union, no international forum ever recognized the borders of the subjects of the Union. Just before the collapse of the Soviet Union, the decisions taken by the local Armenian authorities of the Nagorno – Karabagh autonomous oblast was in line with the then Soviet Constitution and they called out for the separation of Nagorno – Karabagh from Azerbaijan. When the international community recognized the sovereignty of Azerbaijan, Nagorno-Karabagh was not part of it.

[Yervant1]

Public Radio of Armenia

Feb 15 2020

There was no country named Azerbaijan when Tigran the Great was negotiating with Pompeius, Pashinyan tells Aliyev

In the times of Tigran the Great (95-55 BC) there were only two nations in the region – Armenians and Georgians, Armenian Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan said at a panel discussion on Nagorno Karabakh held on the sidelines of the Munich Security Conference.

The remarks came in response to Azerbaijani President Ilhal Aliyev’s claims that Azerbaijanis constituted 70% of Yerevan’s population at the turn of the 19^th century.

“When Armenian King Tigran the Great was negotiating with Rоman general Pompeius, there was no country named Azerbaijan,” he stated.

Speaking about the Karabakh conflict settlement, PM Pashinyan said the negotiations should take place within the framework of the OSCE Minsk Group co-chairmanship.

“We are working very intensively and we are ready to put serious efforts to bring real difference and reach a real solution,” Pashinyan said.

HNikol Pashinyan then referred to the minor revolutions he has made in the negotiation process.

“My perception is that it’s impossible to resolve this long-lasting conflict with one or two steps. We need micro-revolutions, transform them into mini-revolutions and then reach real breakthrough in negotiations,” the Armenian Prime Minister stated.

“One of the micro-revolutions was that in September 2018 I announced that any solution should be acceptable to the peoples of Armenia, Azerbaijan and Nagorno Karabakh. This was a micro-revolution, because I was the first Armenian leader to say the solution should be acceptable to the Azerbaijani people, as well,” Pashinyan stated.

The second micro-revolution, he said, was his call to social media users to stop threatening and insulting each other, and try to use the new technologies to understand each other better.

The Prime Minister then called out President Aliyev of Azerbaijan for the refusal talk to the people of Nagorno Karabakh.

He reminded that Nagorno Karabakh was recognized a party to the conflict and party to the negotiations by the OSCE. This happened twice on March 24, 1992 and during the OSCE summit in Budapest in 1994.

The Prime Minister also referred to the two ceasefire agreements signed between Nagorno Karabakh, Azerbaijan and Armenia.

https://en.armradio.am/2020/02/15/there-was-no-azerbaijani-nation-during-tigran-the-greats-rule-pashinyan-tells-aliyev/

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