Israel Foreign Ministry: "events cannot be compared to

[wh00t]

YEREVAN (Azg) -- The Israeli foreign ministry Monday responded to a

diplomatic note sent by its Armenian counterpart last week regarding

statements made by Israeli Ambassador to Armenia Rivka Kohen, who

said parallels could not be drawn between the Jewish Holocaust and

the Armenian Genocide.

 

"As Jews and as Israelis we are especially saddened by the deaths

and tragedy which occurred between 1915 and 1916. We understand the

emotional relevance for both sides and we are aware that there have

been a large number of victims and the plight of the Armenians," said

the Israeli foreign ministry.

 

"This issue requires extensive research by a wide spectrum of people

and academic dialogue that are based on testimony and proof," added

the Israeli foreign ministry.

 

Israel asserted that the Holocaust was a singular event in human

history and was premeditated against the Jews.

 

"Israel recognizes the tragedy of the Armenians and the plight of

the Armenian people. Nevertheless, the events cannot be compared to

genocide, and that does not in any way diminish the magnitude of the

tragedy," outlined the Israeli foreign ministry while underlining

its warm relations with Turkey.

 

The Foreign Ministry of Armenia noted protest against the Foreign

Ministry of Israel in connection with the recent statement of Israel's

Ambassador Rivki Kohen's statement concerning the Armenian Genocide.

 

In the note of the protest, the Foreign Ministry Public Relations

department said that Armenia considers any attempt of rejecting or

belittling the significance of the Armenian Genocide as inadmissible,

regardless of the motivation. Armenia has never thought of drawing

parallels between the Armenian Genocide and the Jewish Holocaust,

considering any crime against the human race "unique" with its

political, legal, historical, and moral consequences.

 

Armenian Foreign Ministry Spokeswoman Dzyunik Aghajanian said on

Thursday that an Armenian delegation led by Foreign Minister Oskanian

was to pay a visit to Israel, which Kohen said was to give a boost

to development of bilateral economic relations was not planned.

 

Spokeswoman Aghajanian commented that "at this moment no visit on

the level of foreign affairs minister is planned to Israel, and no

delegation is expected form Israel to Armenia."

[Guest Fadi]

Armenia should refuse any contact with Israel, and we don't need any Israelian embassador in Armenia, they refused to apologize, now Armenia should take strong mesures as going as far as denying the Holocaust.

 

Israel will only learn from that, untill they apologize openly for this denial Armenia as well as the Armenian diaspora should not support Israel anymore.

 

Now what Israel is telling us is that only what happened to the Jews is a genocide(since the Armenian genocide is the second more studied genocide).

 

Its only pathetic.

[MosJan]

"Armenia should take strong measures as going as far as denying the Holocaust."

 

Denying the Holocaust will not change anything - the holocaust has been recognized by the world,

the question is - way did this ambassador act this way ? - maybe this is what Israel was planning, lets see witch outcome will be more desired by the Jews, what is it that Israel is trying to do ?

 

getting in a conflict with the Jews will cost us ( Armenian) big times, do not forget Jews are all a round the world, and have high ranked officials all over the world, starting hear in USA,

 

we did not need this at this time. it will teak some time to heal this wound in Armenian Israelis relations, and who will benefit from this???

 

was this an opinion of this single person ? or is this the way all the Israelis fill like ? or just Jews do not like to compeer anything to holocaust ??

are Jews denying that Armenian Genocide has ever took place ?? or Jews would like to see holocaust us only Jewish Holocaust, and they see Armenian Genocide us a genocide not an holocaust ??? can this be the answer. ???

 

 

will yes it is pathetic.

[edward demian]

lets face it. The typical Jew is is an ungrateful selfish person who cares more about profit and advantage than truth or compassion. Their cynicism is reflected by their politics. They see themselves as special and the rest of us as consumers.

A typical Jewish inside Joke: "Why did god make Gentiles? Someone has to pay Retail"

"Jesus saves, but Moses Invests."

Before any of you anti semites get all excited, No I don't agree with what happened to them. No one deserves that. And my father risked death for the whole family for helping Jews escape the concentration camps in Romania. He did that because it was right.

Despite the fact that my family, Saw Jewish merchants buy the goods looted by Turks from Armenians in the town they came from. The Jews have much to Hide. From their Involvement in the decision making that led to the Genocide, to the financing of the slave trade that brought the Africans to the new world. Read your history in order to understand your enemy.

[Guest Fadi]

When I say mesure as going as far as denying the Holocaust, I recognise it, since using the word "denying" make clear it happened. What I mean is to play Israel game on this, saying the Armenian genocide is unique, and the the Tragedy that happened in Germany that also costed the lives of more German then Jews also more then 20 million victims in the allied side, can not be compared with what happened to the Armenians etc...

 

Alleging that Armenia will lose, I do not agree with this. What Armenia will lose ? What adventages Armenia has by supporting Israel, if there is some ? In the contrary Israel need Armenia more then you think, their actions and politics are losing supports as we speak now, the Europeans are supporting now the Palestinians in their cause, just one has to read European newspapers and will see this to be a fact, Israel need an allie in Eastern zone, Armenia or Azerbaijan, and they have chosed Azerbaijan and support Azerbaijan actions, now it's time to reveal their hypocrasy.

 

Its about time now to prepare legal steps to take against the Republic of Turkey denial, its about time to ask an "arbitrage" an International tribunal, if we don't US state departement supporting Israel and Turkish denials will end up of the denial in the US, idiots like Weem's are multiplying, the only card we have is legal actions, when I say legal actions, I mean playing it well this time, with all the legal means, Turkey will not dare to refuse, by doing so it will show that they are afraid of losing.

 

[ February 20, 2002: Message edited by: Domino ]

[THOTH]

Ed - I find your attitude very unsettling (to put it mildly). Regardless of what your family has experienced - though I understand perhaps some personal bitterness.

 

If you had said "typical politician" I could back you stance - but not typical fill in the blank of any race. To me all peoples are basically the same - they want prosperity and comfort for themselves and their families - want to be free of outside interference as much as possible (I don't know - maybe this last part is American bias - but it seems a universal trait to me...), and they are not wicked & cruel by nature - but basically good (OK - sometimes petty & mean)....but what I contend is that most Jews are very sympathetic to our cause, our pain and our suffering. Jewish leaders/politicians may be another matter (for a whole variety of reasons). Please learn to seperate the two. Jews are people - just like you and I - in fact as a people they share a great many chrarcteristics and (have similar) customs to Armenians (funny, I can even say the same regarding the Turks). We would be much better served to accept this and use it as a point of commonality - and fight our political battles in the appropriate realm - IMO

 

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Originally posted by edward demian:

lets face it. The typical Jew is is an ungrateful selfish person who cares more about profit and advantage than truth or compassion. Their cynicism is reflected by their politics. They see themselves as special and the rest of us as consumers.

A typical Jewish inside Joke: "Why did god make Gentiles? Someone has to pay Retail"

"Jesus saves, but Moses Invests."

Before any of you anti semites get all excited, No I don't agree with what happened to them. No one deserves that. And my father risked death for the whole family for helping Jews escape the concentration camps in Romania. He did that because it was right.

Despite the fact that my family, Saw Jewish merchants buy the goods looted by Turks from Armenians in the town they came from. The Jews have much to Hide. From their Involvement in the decision making that led to the Genocide, to the financing of the slave trade that brought the Africans to the new world. Read your history in order to understand your enemy.

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[MosJan]

>BY Asbarez.com<

 

Israeli Foreign Ministry Questions Veracity of Genocide, Says Proof Needed

YEREVAN (Azg)—The Israeli foreign ministry Monday responded to a diplomatic note sent by its Armenian counterpart last week regarding statements made by Israeli Ambassador to Armenia Rivka Kohen, who said parallels could not be drawn between the Jewish Holocaust and the Armenian Genocide.

 

"As Jews and as Israelis we are especially saddened by the deaths and tragedy which occurred between 1915 and 1916. We understand the emotional relevance for both sides and we are aware that there have been a large number of victims and the plight of the Armenians," said the Israeli foreign ministry.

 

"This issue requires extensive research by a wide spectrum of people and academic dialogue that are based on testimony and proof," added the Israeli foreign ministry.

 

Israel asserted that the Holocaust was a singular event in human history and was premeditated against the Jews.

 

"Israel recognizes the tragedy of the Armenians and the plight of the Armenian people. Nevertheless, the events cannot be compared to genocide, and that does not in any way diminish the magnitude of the tragedy," outlined the Israeli foreign ministry while underlining its warm relations with Turkey.

 

The Foreign Ministry of Armenia noted protest against the Foreign Ministry of Israel in connection with the recent statement of Israel's Ambassador Rivki Kohen's statement concerning the Armenian Genocide.

 

In the note of the protest, the Foreign Ministry Public Relations department said that Armenia considers any attempt of rejecting or belittling the significance of the Armenian Genocide as inadmissible, regardless of the motivation. Armenia has never thought of drawing parallels between the Armenian Genocide and the Jewish Holocaust, considering any crime against the human race "unique" with its political, legal, historical, and moral consequences.

 

Armenian Foreign Ministry Spokeswoman Dzyunik Aghajanian said on Thursday that an Armenian delegation led by Foreign Minister Oskanian was to pay a visit to Israel, which Kohen said was to give a boost to development of bilateral economic relations was not planned.

 

Spokeswoman Aghajanian commented that "at this moment no visit on the level of foreign affairs minister is planned to Israel, and no delegation is expected form Israel to Armenia."

[MosJan]

ARMENIAN FOREIGN MINISTER CALLS ON COMPATRIOTS NOT TO ABHOR JEWISH PEOPLE

20.02.2002

 

/PanARMENIAN.Net/ Appearing at the meeting with the students of Yerevan State University of Foreign Languages after Bryusov Armenian Foreign Minister Vardan Oskanian called on the compatriots not to abhor the Jewish people due to Israel's denial of the fact of the Armenian Genocide. "Arminfo" agency reports the head of the foreign department stated that the position of official Tel-Aviv did not reflect the Jewish people's opinion. In his words, many researchers of Jewish origin made contribution to prove the fact of the Armenian Genocide. "At the same time it is offensive to us that the authorities representing the people, which has had such a difficult fate in the affair of recognizing its own genocide, resorted to such a move," – the Minister emphasized. Oskanian said he was sure that the official authorities of Israel would reconsider their position under the pressure of the public. The Minister also noted that Yerevan did not intend to announce Israeli Ambassador to Armenia Rivka Koen "persona non grata." Let us remind that Koen earlier stated at the press conference in Yerevan that it was inadmissible to draw parallels "between the tragedy of the Armenian people" and the Holocaust.

 

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[bellthecat]

Errr ...why do you all care what the official representative of a terrorist state thinks?

 

We all know why Israel needs to think it has exclusive use of the word "gencide", a need that is now even stronger now that Israel is about to commit genocide on the Palestinians.

[Arpa]

I can say a lot about the subject but none of it will be new, except that we seem to have collective amnesia. Israel threw out the Armenian question out in the early eighties, yet, as stupid as we may be, we kept hammering them until the "worst kept secret" of the century surfaced. One had to be blind to not see the natural affinity of Turkey Israel as neither of them has a friend in their respective neighborhood. To get back to bltc's statement "...who cares?". We must also suffer from a terminal condition of masochism. Why do we keep asking questions knowing that we won't like the answer? Besides, as above, WHO CARES!!! Who the hell are they anyway!!! Who assigned them judge jury and executioner?

[Arturian]

It's all called politics.

 

Neither the US nor Israel will recognise genocide until Turkey is in the game.

[MosJan]

© Copyright AZG

 

 

ISRAEL SHOULD STOP PLEASING TURKEY

 

Our readers already know about the notorious announcement made by Israeli ambassador Rivka Kohen concerning Armenian Genocide, and also are aware of the counteraction and anger that it rose among Armenians.

 

In this respect it should be once again noted that the international recognition of Armenian Genocide has been put on the agenda of Armenia’s foreign policy since the current president of Armenia Robert Kocharian took over presidency. Kocharian announced about the urgency and strategic for Armenia character of the issue at the UN summits in 1998 and 2000, as well as at the OSCE meeting held in Istanbul in 1999.

 

The concern of Armenian nation over the genocide recognition received positive response in many countries of the world, and the Armenian Genocide was recognized on high levels in Uruguay, France, Italy, Vatican and a number of other countries.

 

The countries that officially recognized Armenian Genocide actually neglected the counteraction of Turkey, from which it became clear that Turkey is short of counter steps. Thus, the desire of Israeli officials to please Turkey by rejecting the genocide can not hinder Armenian authorities from pursuing the international recognition of Armenian Genocide. So Israel should review its stance towards the Armenian Genocide and when persuading the international society that the Holocaust is a ‘unique’ phenomenon in the history of mankind, should not condition the efficiency of the persuasion by rejecting or demeaning the facts of Armenian Genocide.

 

 

© Copyright AZG

[MosJan]

ISRAELIS RESPOND TO GENOCIDE SPECULATIONS

 

In its February 18 issue the daily Azg presented the details of ‘Diplomatic Incident’ article concerning Israel’s position towards Armenian Genocide issued in Jewish Ynet web site. Surprisingly many Jews responded to the article and sent e-mails to the site.

 

Thirty-two Jews wrote letters to Ynet, and only five out of them agreed with the official position of Israel- i.e. considered Armenian Genocide a mere tragedy but not a genocide. They said Turks never had the alleged hostile attitude towards Armenian nation, and consider the Jewish Holocaust as the only genocide.

 

Several respondents criticized those who draw parallels between Armenian genocide and the Holocaust- grounding it by the large number of victims Holocaust resulted in. Several Jews just laughed and mocked at those who speculate the tragedies of any nation for political purposes, and 22 Israelis condemned Israeli government and foreign minister Shimon Peres for rejecting the Armenian genocide. One of the letter writers says the following: ‘The ambassador (meaning Rivka Kohen, Israeli ambassador to Armenia) represents the Israeli government, consequently she had to say stupid things. All the Israeli ministers say nonsense and make shameful steps, whereas you expect to see a decent ambassador?’

 

The dominant opinion among the responses was the following: ‘Israel rejects genocide of any other nation, for it wants to secure ‘monopoly’ on genocide - considering Holocaust a unique phenomenon and using it as a weapon’. The rejection of genocide is condemnable, no matter whether it was planned or not. Another letter asks the following question: ‘How would we (Jews) feel if the allies of Germany’s suddenly announced that there was no Holocaust’.

 

Also a question was raised whether Turks support Israel with the same zeal or not, and was pointed out that in Israeli-Palestinian conflict Turkey defends the interests of Palestinians.

 

In general, though, it is clear that Israelis are not well informed about the details of Armenian Genocide and realize the crime committed against Armenians in the beginning of 20-th century very dimly. Israelis should also understand that nobody wants to draw any parallels between the Armenian Genocide and the Holocaust. Both tragedies are horrible and they must be recognized by the entire mankind and the victims must be remembered. But delighting is the fact that the new Israeli generation is getting rid of complex of ‘uniqueness’ (of the Holocaust) and places the honor and morality of the state above cold diplomatic relations.

 

Those who want to read the above-mentioned letters can visit the web site at the following address: http://www.Ynet.co.il

 

By Rouzan Poghosian

 

 

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[MosJan]

TURKISH DENIALIST EFFORT DOUBLES FOLLOWING ISRAELI AMBASSADOR ANNOUNCEMENT

 

Turkish press continues to closely watch the development of Armenian-Israeli relations connected with the notorious announcement of Israeli ambassador to Armenia Rivka Kohen. Many of Turkish newspapers foresaw ‘crisis’ in Armenia-Israeli relations in this respect.

 

Elucidating the note of protest sent to Israel by Armenian foreign ministry, Turkish Radical newspaper writes that the position of Armenia in the issue of Armenian Genocide recognition became very harsh, for the response of Armenia to a similar announcement made at the British embassy in Ankara was not as ‘loud’. Radical finds that the stance of Israel affects Armenians morally. The newspaper notes that the public circles of Israel avoid from calling the ‘tragedies’ of 1915 a ‘genocide’. The newspaper at the same time brings all the ‘facts’ denying the genocide, and condemns the allegations of Armenians. Radical also says that Armenians were not killed without opposition, bringing examples of ‘revolts and treason’ of Armenians in the time of Ottoman reign.

 

 

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[MosJan]

YEREVAN NOT TO INSIST ON RECALL OF ISRAELI AMBASSADOR IN ARMENIA

04.03.2002

 

/PanARMENIAN.Net/ One should not generate tension regarding the recent statements of Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary Ambassador of Israel in the Republic of Armenian Rivka Kohen that "there is a significant difference between the Jewish Holocaust and the Armenian Genocide in 1915," Armenian Foreign Minister Vardan Oskanian considers. In his opinion, each side has already expressed what it considered necessary in this regard: the Armenian Foreign Ministry submitted a note of protest and the Israeli Foreign Department answered it. In this regard, official Yerevan does not intend to insist on recall of the Israeli Ambassador from Armenia.

 

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[MosJan]

ARMENIANS OF LOS ANGELES HELD PROTEST MEETING NEXT TO ISRAELI CONSULATE

08.03.2002

 

/PanARMENIAN.Net/ March 7 some 250 American Armenians organized a meeting in Los Angeles in front of the Israeli Consulate. They protested against the recent statements made by Israeli Ambassador to Armenia Rivka Kohen that the events in Ottoman Turkey in 1915 could not be called genocide. US information sources report the meeting was held in a calm and peaceful atmosphere. At the end of the meeting a special delegation of the participators of the meeting handed its petition to the officers of the Israeli Consulate, as well as a documentary book devoted to the Armenian Genocide in Turkey.

 

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