gamavor Posted August 29, 2003 Report Share Posted August 29, 2003 Shalom Moshe, WE LOVE YOU! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
America-Hye Posted August 29, 2003 Report Share Posted August 29, 2003 If you KNEW from which city my Armenian antecendents emanted from you would understand that I am not the ONLY "Moshe" among us. Raised as a Christian, but a "Moshe" nonetheless. Statistically, WE Armenians may prove to be more similar to the original Moshes than the Khazar/Slavic/Ancient Moshe mix that the Jews are today. The tie may prove to be that we came from a common source or that a large part us us were converted Jews, in a series of conversions over many centuries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightOfArmenia Posted August 29, 2003 Report Share Posted August 29, 2003 Right. You go on being a converted Jew, since our culture is becoming accepted (in the European intelligentsia, at least) as an older one, since Armenian communities are being found that predate Jewish settlements by rather many centuries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted August 29, 2003 Report Share Posted August 29, 2003 (edited) No further questions Moshe. I will respect you more if you are truthful to your heritage rather than trying to "convert" us. If you want to be an Armenian let it be that way. You have been raised in an Armenian environment but you know nothing about Armenians. PS: Don't worry I'm aware of the number of Moshes' among Armenians! Edited August 29, 2003 by gamavor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
America-Hye Posted August 30, 2003 Report Share Posted August 30, 2003 KOA and Gamavor, The portion of my family that were Jews have been Christian for 800 years and you still consider me a Jew? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightOfArmenia Posted August 30, 2003 Report Share Posted August 30, 2003 You are the one who brought the subject up; if you did not (in some part) consider yourself to be a Jew, then you wouldn't have brought up the fact that it (supposedly) links you to other converted Jews. That simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
America-Hye Posted August 30, 2003 Report Share Posted August 30, 2003 Why should I not bring the subject up? I do not think of it as a taboo subject. If it makes you uneasy, you have the problem, not I. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted August 30, 2003 Report Share Posted August 30, 2003 Hagarag, you don't understand. The chairwoman of the Jews in Armenia is Mrs. Rimma Hovsepyan. If you meet her on the street you would never tell weather she is a Jew or not, and since she lives in Armenia, she is more Armenian than me and you. We Armenians know who WE are. It is people like you indoctrinated by foreign agencies to go around and trumped lies for very transparent reasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted August 30, 2003 Report Share Posted August 30, 2003 I think her name is Varzhapetian. I met some Jews in Yerevan. It is mindboggling when they speak better Armenian than some of our Catholicoi. So doe the Kurds and Greeks of Yerevan. I met them too. I may relate that eerie experience some day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted August 30, 2003 Report Share Posted August 30, 2003 Yes, sorry Varzhapetian. I have deep respect to all minorities in Armenia. I think very few Armenians out of Armenia know about Russian Molokans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
America-Hye Posted August 30, 2003 Report Share Posted August 30, 2003 Her name is Rima Feller Varzhapetyan. She is a Jew married to an Armenian and is head of the Jewish community in Armenia. I am an Amrican Armenian who has delved beneath the surface to understand my roots and to understand the underpinnings of Christianity. Those steeped in tradition have no use for the truth. They operate solely from what they have been indoctrinated with. I do not follow what I was indoctrinated with in semi-rural community of the USA. I am a citizen of the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted August 30, 2003 Report Share Posted August 30, 2003 God Bless You! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
America-Hye Posted August 30, 2003 Report Share Posted August 30, 2003 I have also studied the Molakans of Armenia in a graduate school history class years ago, but since thirty years have passed I do not remember the specifics about them except that they were Russians who escaped to Armenia or were banished there for their religious beliefs. Gamavor, I am not the enemy. Please believe that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted August 30, 2003 Report Share Posted August 30, 2003 I have never said that you are enemy. I said that your "liberal" historical interpretations are outright lies. If there is no other alter motive, than it is your EGO and I don't like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
America-Hye Posted August 30, 2003 Report Share Posted August 30, 2003 How can you state that there is any ego involved when I am totally anonymous? What I am trying to do is to get you and some of the others here to think out of "your box." You are SO predictable, with your Armenian GROUPTHINK!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted September 14, 2003 Report Share Posted September 14, 2003 For those of you who read Russian, here is an interesting study based on the shape of the eyes. The author states that Armenians are close kin of Persians, French, Italians, most meditereanian people, as well as North Europeans. http://klein.zen.ru/old/Gimalay.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
America-Hye Posted September 14, 2003 Report Share Posted September 14, 2003 DNA is a much more important measure. The geneticists have found that an African tribe can be closer gentically to a Norse village than to the adjoining tribe.Eye shape is just one marker and is VERY subjective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted September 14, 2003 Report Share Posted September 14, 2003 Have you guys seen the new theories about humanity having started in Asia and not Africa? New discoveries are pointing to that. Here another quote for MJs list. Humanity has started from Armenia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted September 14, 2003 Report Share Posted September 14, 2003 Moshe, the study is about the origin of different races. It states that in anthropology there is a group called Armenoid which later gave birth to Dinaric and Alpine breeds. Again, the study traces the development of races and large part of it is devoted to Armenians as protogenetors of the White race. It is not about subsequent mixing with other ethnicity and races. DNA studies will prove what have been already said. There are number of mixed Armenians like you who we thoroughly embrace. We embrace even 1/64’s and I personally like to embrace total non-Armenians especially if they belong to the opposite sex and are attractive enough to match my physical perfection. Happy now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arad9 Posted September 16, 2003 Report Share Posted September 16, 2003 Genetically, speaking blue eyes and blonde hair are made of what are called recessive genes. The reason for these genes being recessive is the lack of melanin. Melanin is the element that basically lets your body adjust to the sun or sunlight(makes the body tan). People from regions that get little sun such as northern Europ don’t have a lot of melanin and therefore have light hair and light eyes. And if one brings up the point of the Eskimo’s remember these people are from Asian or Oriental ancestry. Scientifically there are the three different genetic makeup of humans., they are the Caucasoid, the Mongoloid, and the Negroid. These are the terms used in the science books. There is no derogatory meaning to there meanings just scientific. An the term Caucasoid means someone of Caucasian descent or from the Caucus Mountain region, which is historically Armenia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted September 16, 2003 Report Share Posted September 16, 2003 Scientifically there are the three different genetic makeup of humans., they are the Caucasoid, the Mongoloid, and the Negroid. in Armenia we used to stady the forth one, Austroleoid. why is it not present in American books?oh well, the whole world is in one big 'shila-shpot' anyways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted September 16, 2003 Report Share Posted September 16, 2003 Genetically, speaking blue eyes and blonde hair are made of what are called recessive genes. The reason for these genes being recessive is the lack of melanin. Melanin is the element that basically lets your body adjust to the sun or sunlight(makes the body tan). People from regions that get little sun such as northern Europ don’t have a lot of melanin and therefore have light hair and light eyes. And if one brings up the point of the Eskimo’s remember these people are from Asian or Oriental ancestry. Scientifically there are the three different genetic makeup of humans., they are the Caucasoid, the Mongoloid, and the Negroid. These are the terms used in the science books. There is no derogatory meaning to there meanings just scientific. An the term Caucasoid means someone of Caucasian descent or from the Caucus Mountain region, which is historically Armenia. Armenia is in the Transcaucasus. If you look at the Caucasus itself, you see Kabardin, Georgians, Abkhazians, Chechens, etc. Most of them I understand are of Alpine stock alright - tall, blue-eyed, fair, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted September 16, 2003 Report Share Posted September 16, 2003 ... they are the Caucasoid, the Mongoloid, and the Negroid.All three of which can suffer from hemorrhoid, read a tabloid, or enjoy old movies by Harold Lloyd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted September 16, 2003 Report Share Posted September 16, 2003 mmmm...makes me think DEVO (Are we not men? - 1979) - some classics (really) Mongloid mongoloid he was a mongoloid happier than you and memongoloid he was a mongoloid and it determined what he could seemongoloid he was a mongoloid one chromosome too manymongoloid he was a mongoloid and it determined what he could seeand he wore a hat and he had a joband he brought home the bacon so that no one knewmongoloid he was a mongoloid his friends were unawaremongoloid he was a mongoloid nobody even cared Jocko Homo they tell us that we lost our tailsevolving up from little snailsi say it's all just wind in sailsare we not men? we are DEVO!we're pinheads now we are not wholewe're pinheads all jocko homoare we not men? D-E-V-Omonkey men all in business suitteachers and critics all dance the pootare we not men? we are DEVO!are we not men? D-E-V-Owe must repeat o.k. let's go! And of course Uncontrolable Urge (even though perhaps slightly off topic...) got an urge got a surge and it's out of control got an urge i wanna purge 'cause i'm losing control uncontrollable urge i wanna tell you all about it uncontrollable urge makes me scream and shout itit's got style it's got class so strong i can’t let it passi gotta tell you all about it i gotta scream and shout itand i say yeah Saw them (front row!) - back in 1979...and after which we certainly devolved - LOL...bunch of us went to McDonalds...a friend of mine (thin guy actually) managed to chow down 8 big macs in one sitting...well two sittings..he ate 4 - then went back for 4 more! (all I could manage were my original 4! LOL)...Sip are you listening? LOL And par for the course: (suddenly on topic...LOL) Too Much paranoias think i got your dial tone think i got billy baxter's bonethink i got a bubble-sac think i got a big mack attackhold the pickles hold the lettuce special orders dont upset usall we ask is that you let us serve it your waytoo much paranoiasmy momma's afraid to tell me the things she's afraid ofi been dipped in double meaning i been stuck with static clingthink i got a rupto-pac think i got a big mac attack http://www.freedomofchoice.com/devo/lyrics.asp (I'm not affiliated with this site BTW - in case any are concerned...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyebruin Posted September 17, 2003 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2003 For those of you who read Russian, here is an interesting study based on the shape of the eyes. The author states that Armenians are close kin of Persians, French, Italians, most meditereanian people, as well as North Europeans. http://klein.zen.ru/old/Gimalay.htm hey, thanks for posting this link! since i can't read cyrillic i'll have my russian classmate translate it for me! it sounds very interesting!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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