Weird names

[Nvard]

oh, thanks, I know that one.

 

People!!!!! i'm shocked!!

Today I saw an Armenian guy whose Dad's name is........................................

Julvern. (Julles Verne?).looooooool.........It was so rude, but I couldn't stop giggling

[MJ]

Nvard,

 

Was the guy's name Arsen, Karen or Armen (they are brothers.)

[Nvard]

No, I think it was Aram

 

(I guess they're not the only ones with that name............. )

[Nvard]

oooops sorry MJ , he's Artur

[MJ]

Still doesn't do good, Nvard...

[hunny]

why is it that both guys and girls are named nairi?

[Nvard]

Just in case

 

Actually what I always thought is that NairA was a female name and NairI was a male variant. I know dozens of girls named Naira, and there's a writer Nairi Zoryan

[Sasun]

I think there is also a female name Nairuhi.

[Teutonic Knight]

Talar, what an odd name.

Is it turkish?

[Harut]

Talar, what an odd name.

Is it turkish?

i heard this name only here in US.

but i would guess it means what it means, talar (dalar if pronouced in EA).

dalar means fresh, flexible (as refered to a young tree or 'jyugh')

but i'm not sure if it's Armenian or not.

[Teutonic Knight]

I think there is also a female name Nairuhi.

That's a perfect name. Naira/Naire/Nairuhi.

 

My favorite Armenian names:

 

Tigran

Yervand

Andranik

Vartan

Arshak

Martiros

Tatevos

Vasack

Arshavir

Mushegh

Gevork

Nerses

Smbat

~

Anahit

Astghik

Gayane

Nvart

Shoghik

Heghine

Lusine

Armenouhi

Hasmik

Arpine

Armine

Maro

[Twilight Bark]

Talar, what an odd name.

Is it turkish?

i heard this name only here in US.

but i would guess it means what it means, talar (dalar if pronouced in EA).

dalar means fresh, flexible (as refered to a young tree or 'jyugh')

but i'm not sure if it's Armenian or not.

Talar can mean "fresh" or "green" (as in fresh greenery).

[Khazar]

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Originally posted by Harut:

thanks Nvard.

 

but i think Arsen is used in russia too, isn't it?

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Arsen is used a lot in Osetia.But that's only because of the ethnic and language ties between Osetians and Persians. there are some Arsens in Georgia but not many.

Russians adopted the name Arsen but they've changed it a little. So it became Arsentiy.

Arsen is also used in Chechnya, Dagestan, and Kabardino-Balkaria, as far as I know! It seems to be a pan-Caucasian name. I think there is a consensus that it's Persian-derived? BTW, I like that name.

 

Question: Who can tell me what the meaning of 'iants' or 'yants' is as the ending of an Armenian surname? Someone once told me it was indicative of nobility. Is this true?

[Arpa]

Arsen is used a lot in Osetia.But that's only because

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Question: Who can tell me what the meaning of 'iants' or 'yants' is as the ending of an Armenian surname? Someone once told me it was indicative of nobility. Is this true?

First off, dear Khazar, welcome.

 

"-iants/-yants" ending.

Nobility? Maybe.

It is rare now but we find it all the way back at the 5th century AD. One of the nakharars/princes of Vardanank was Khours Srvantstiants, most others had surnames ending in -uni which was most common then and it is still used. The latter is attributed to our Urartuan ancestry, the best known connection to it is the classical name of Ereven as Erebuni.

As to iants/-yants ending it is a classical grammatical form. It is simply the plural form of the third person possessive pronoun. In modern Armenian we use the same pronoun as "nrants" or "irants/irents" which means "their/their's", i.e belonging to them, in the classical/grabar form it would be "iriants" or "iuriants/yuriants".

Its modern version, which isquite common now, would be "onts/ounts/ants/ents" as in names like Atonts, Bakounts, Sonents etc. The latter is most common in the Syunik region of Armenia, namely the south and south east.

Besides the above prince of the Vardanank Srvantstiants is not so common. There is a Bishop writer, poet Garegin Srvantstiants (1840-1892), a composer, Vagharshak Srvantstiants known for his song Pjinko and this; http://www.lemagan.com/ayf/members/srvands...ts-hamazasb.htm

 

Now.

As to your chosen screen name, there must be some kind of reason. I have noticed that you talk about Daghestan, Chechnya etc. Are you a Khazar? The myth is that the Khazars have converted to Judaism during the 600s AD, however I have a problem with that as it seems to be based on myths one of which, at a certain site on the internet (I can look it up if necessary) it alludes to the fact that Ashkenaz who sometimes is substituted for Khazar was the son of Noah. Here is the problem. One must first believe in Noah to believe the rest of the myths. I don't.

I am very keenly interested to hear your opinion. However, if you choose to write about it please start a new thread so we can follow without being distracted.

 

Thank you, and once again

[MJ]

Question: Who can tell me what the meaning of 'iants' or 'yants' is as the ending of an Armenian surname? Someone once told me it was indicative of nobility. Is this true?

First off, dear Khazar, welcome.

 

"-iants/-yants" ending.

Yes. It is true. In the old days it has been indicative of nobility or that an ancestor has been a priest. But on the other hand, in the old days, any Armenian who has had a last name was pretty much nobility or from priests.

[Anoushik]

Why is it that most Armenians from Armenia end their last name with YAN but Armenians from diaspora have IAN endings? I am from Armenia and my family's last name ends with IAN.

I know that Armenians from Armenia had to translate their last names from Soviet passports - which means from Russian. But my dad specifically asked that our name be spelled IAN in English. He said that it's the correct way to spell. Almost every barskahye has IAN ending. Is it really the correct way to spell the Armenian last name?

[Stormig]

Hadn't heard of Azatuhi before until reading about LTP's mother...

[Harut]

But on the other hand, in the old days, any Armenian who has had a last name was pretty much nobility or from priests.

add to that master craftsmen. but those mostly got their last names from their professions or villiges

[Khazar]

Now.

As to your chosen screen name, there must be some kind of reason. I have noticed that you talk about Daghestan, Chechnya etc. Are you a Khazar? The myth is that the Khazars have converted to Judaism during the 600s AD, however I have a problem with that as it seems to be based on myths one of which, at a certain site on the internet (I can look it up if necessary) it alludes to the fact that Ashkenaz who sometimes is substituted for Khazar was the son of Noah. Here is the problem. One must first believe in Noah to believe the rest of the myths. I don't.

I am very keenly interested to hear your opinion. However, if you choose to write about it please start a new thread so we can follow without being distracted.

 

Arpa, I'll start a thread on the Khazars in History...

[Arpa]

Why is it that most Armenians from Armenia end their last name with YAN but Armenians from diaspora have IAN endings? I am from Armenia and my family's last name ends with IAN.

I know that Armenians from Armenia had to translate their last names from Soviet passports - which means from Russian. But my dad specifically asked that our name be spelled IAN in English. He said that it's the correct way to spell. Almost every barskahye has IAN ending. Is it really the correct way to spell the Armenian last name?

 

Neither!

 

Let's first read the following, one of the better writngs about the subject;

 

http://www.armenianheritage.com/faname.htm

 

Let us use reverse transliteration and see how it makes sense.

In orthodox Armenian spelling, going all the way to classical times suranmes were spelled with an ending of -EAN, i.e. yech-ayb-nu, just like Aegean, Mediterranean etc. The -IAN and -YAN endings are due to phonetic transliterations into other languages. The anglicized/latinized would be -IAN like in Italian/Hungarian etc., while the Slavic and Germananic ones would be -YAN as in (Herbert Von) Karajan. The J is pronounced as Y.

If we follow this logic and judge Armenian surnames by their latinized and slavicized forms then in reverse transliteration in the Armenian text we would have to spell them ending in ini-ayb-nu or hi-ayb-nu. Soviet Armenian orthography has incorporated the latter but I don't remember seeing anyone spelling their surname ending in ini-ayb-nu. The only time I have seen that spelled with the letter INI is in Kilik-IAN.

 

I have not been able to find the answer as to why Europeans use the -IAN ending specially when referring to geographical origin as in Italian, Hungarian etc. except that most Europeans speak an IndoEuropean language and I dare say they learned it from... you guessed it!

 

I think MosJan has the right idea since when we transliterate his nickname back into Armenian it would spell Men-Vo-Se-Hi-Ayb-Nu... Mosyan! :)

[Anoushik]

Thanks very much Arpa...

 

Very interesting. I didn't know about the Armenian last names before.

 

Can you please tell me which websites you'd recommend for studying the Armenian history and culture?

[Harut]

Arpa, that link in the geography section misses unfortunately already not so common (e/a)tsi ending. Aygektsi, Narekatsi, Heratsi, etc

and this quote has a truth to it, but is quite sadding for me.

 

"The name categories of Occupation and Trait can differ significantly between Eastern Armenians and Western Armenians, since the eastern names often have Persian, Georgian or Russian roots, while the western names may have Turkish, Arab, or Greek roots."

 

a question rises, who has Armenian roots?

[Arpa]

Both Arsen and Karen are pagan Persian names.

After Iran became Muslim this names simply disapeared. But they became very common in Armenia because of the Persian-Armenian cultural ties during the pagan ages.

Arsen

What this site says in effect;

From the Greek; "Masculine, mighty, virile...etc."

http://armenian.name/index.php?a=term&t=5f5f5f5bab5c5a60

 

Arsen

http://www.babynamesworld.com/profile.php?name=Arsen

 

Arsenio

http://www.babynamesworld.com/profile.php?name=Arsenio

 

Armen

http://www.babynamesworld.com/profile.php?name=Armen

 

Armani. Surprise!!?? There are other entries of Armenian names such as Arpiar etc.

http://www.babynamesworld.com/profile.php?name=Armani

 

Our next challenge is Arusiak. Yes, we know it is the Armenian for the planet Venus. But what is its origin and etymology? Those who know a little bit of Persian and or Arabic may have an idea. It is the diminutive form of "arous".

[Arpa]

Speaking of weird names, take a look at this.

There may be others as well.

Is this where our own "ananun muk" got his nickname?

 

The following monograph is from this site;

 

http://armenian.name/index.php?a=term&t=5f605f5fab615f5c

 

ANANUN

From Armenian an negative prefix and anun ''name'' i.e. ''deprived of a name'', ''having no name''. This strange name was given both to males and females. It was believed that those having the name were not listed in Gabriel's diary and for this reason they must live longer.

 

Speaking of Gabriel, did you know that the Armenian curse "grogh@ tani" in fact means "let the writer/registrar take you". Most interpret it as "krogh@ tani" to mean; "let the bearer take you".

 

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[Arpa]

Here is another gem from the same site.

 

AMBAKUM

Is a Hebrew name that comes from Bible and it is translated as ''wrestler'' or ''container''. In the previous century it was often met. Nowadays it is almost lost, though the surname Ambakumian is still in use.

 

In fact I have been aware of this name even if I have not actually seen anyone named such.

Obviously!!

At times we have used the name to decribe people who don't know when and how to shut up.

An-pakum.

Motor-mouth?

Remind you any on this forum?

 

I finally found the answer. I had always wondered why the name of the minor prophet in the English Bible is Habakkuk and Ambakum in the Armenian. In Septuagint and Vulgate (whatever the hell they mean) the name is Ambacum. And according to some sources, contary to the above interpretation it is supposed to means (loving) "embrace".

Edited April 16, 2004 by Arpa