ThornyRose Posted July 20, 2001 Report Share Posted July 20, 2001 Yup, says so right here: quote:Originally posted by Nvard:Both Arsen and Karen are pagan Persian names.After Iran became Muslim this names simply disapeared. But they became very common in Armenia because of the Persian-Armenian cultural ties during the pagan ages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nvard Posted September 13, 2001 Report Share Posted September 13, 2001 Arsen is deffinitly a pagan Persian name. I'm 100% sure!It can't be greek and it can't mean "male",because "male" in ancient greek is "Andros".And the Armenian name that comes from it is Andranik(male). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shirag Posted September 13, 2001 Report Share Posted September 13, 2001 Ete tu es tadavor@... etbes mi khpi Estekh kardzikner en haytnum ayl tadaran chi... ArayjmShirag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nvard Posted September 15, 2001 Report Share Posted September 15, 2001 Ok,Ok.Look people, he's attacking me in my own forum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragon Posted September 15, 2001 Report Share Posted September 15, 2001 Look but don't touch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted September 16, 2001 Report Share Posted September 16, 2001 es forumn imn e,es thredn imn e,thredum topic,topicum anun,es ov e yekeltiratsel takun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted September 16, 2001 Report Share Posted September 16, 2001 quote:Originally posted by Nvard:Arsen is deffinitly a pagan Persian name. I'm 100% sure!It can't be greek and it can't mean "male",because "male" in ancient greek is "Andros".And the Armenian name that comes from it is Andranik(male).Janiks, doesn't Andranik mean first? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted September 16, 2001 Report Share Posted September 16, 2001 does anyone know what do names Astghik and Anahit mean??? i defenatly do not consider them to be weird names!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJ Posted September 16, 2001 Report Share Posted September 16, 2001 These are names of two pre-Christian era Armenian Goddesses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edward demian Posted September 16, 2001 Report Share Posted September 16, 2001 Reffering to names in the Communist and internationalist vein. You need to remember how terribly dangerous the times were during Stalinism. People dissapeared simply because of their name. The lower dregs of society that worked for the NKVD for lack of real suspects would arrest people for such reasons as their Christian names, or distant famous relatives. These "low brow" elements were often afraid to arrest someone for just as innoccuous reasons as the person having a Soviet name, In those days, everyone lived in terror. Victims and victimizers. No one wanted to place his signature on a death warrant for a person with a name such as Lenin, Stalin, or Sovietakan.Names have allways been powerful omulettes agaisnt evil, danger or sikness. Some of our grandparents may not have been rocket scientists, but they were very adept at survival. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJ Posted September 16, 2001 Report Share Posted September 16, 2001 quote:Originally posted by edward demian: Reffering to names in the Communist and internationalist vein. You need to remember how terribly dangerous the times were during Stalinism. People dissapeared simply because of their name. Edward,I wonder where do you get such information from? Do you know anybody that has been arrested for his name in the Stalinist era? Has it happened in Romania? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edward demian Posted September 16, 2001 Report Share Posted September 16, 2001 One million Romanians wer placed into boxcars and sent to Siberia after the second warld war.The KGB basically decided that there had to be about a million anticommunists in Romania so their lackeys had to come up with a million bodies.First they arrested all the former military officers and their families.Than all the wealthy peasants.Than anyone that might have been related to any nobility no matter how removed.Then the Clergy.When they ran out of people, than they simply arrested anyone who was denounced by anyone. No proof required. These Communists were generally the dregs of society. None were educated to any extent. In those days, people placed pictures of Stalin where previously Icons had been. We were taught at school to call him Daddy Stalin. Terror ran rampant. You did not dare say good day to your neighbor because he might interpret it as a linckage to some international event.As an amulet, people named their chilldren after some Socialist personality or event to frighten away the evil doers. Much like turkish Armenians giving their children turkish names. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJ Posted September 16, 2001 Report Share Posted September 16, 2001 Edward, We all know this staff. But you were claiming something else in your previous material, which I found to be baseless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragon Posted September 17, 2001 Report Share Posted September 17, 2001 es forumn imn e,es thredn imn e,thredum topic,topicum anun,es ov e yekeltiratsel takun.-------------------- BA?!?! --------------------Et yes em yes savarnelKo forumin diratselKisher-tsereg ser adzelSiro ashugh em tartsel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragon Posted September 17, 2001 Report Share Posted September 17, 2001 does anyone know what do names Astghik and Anahit mean???i defenatly do not consider them to be weird names!!! -------------------- BA?!?! -------------------- Anahid is the same Diana goddess for Armenians. Read Diana in reverse. Anahid is the goddess of prosperity, motherhood, wisdom, etc., while Astghik is the armenian goddess of youth, love and romance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted September 17, 2001 Report Share Posted September 17, 2001 MJ and Dragon,thanks for info, but i knew that since grade school.i just wanted to know what they mean. like my name for instanse. dragon, i never noticed that coensidence with Diana and Anahit. or is it not a coensidence??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted September 17, 2001 Report Share Posted September 17, 2001 quote:Originally posted by dragon:Et yes em yes savarnelKo forumin diratselKisher-tsereg ser adzelSiro ashugh em tartsel ashugh-mashugh chgitemzguysh eghi chbrnem votkt *****(teghits) kpokem anush lezud kktrem.inchkan ser es du adzel anykan charik kberem dzerkit saz@ yes karnem u ****** ******* (el chem asum vor chneghanas) ----no hard feelings, just a poetry. [ September 16, 2001: Message edited by: Harut ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragon Posted September 17, 2001 Report Share Posted September 17, 2001 ashugh-mashugh chgitemzguysh eghi chbrnem votkt *****(teghits) kpokem anush lezud kktrem. inchkan ser es du adzel anykan charik kberem dzerkit saz@ yes karnem u ****** ******* (el chem asum vor chneghanas) ----no hard feelings, just a poetry. --------------------------------- Hla du pakhdt portsiMi had temus haydnviDenam vonts es gudrelouMeghrits el kaghtsur lezous Ko asdgheru (*) hasgatsaKo ''charikt'' el imatsaEt vor du yes anelouIm surdovn e linelou Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nvard Posted September 17, 2001 Report Share Posted September 17, 2001 Guys! Let's keep it in a proper way, ok? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted September 17, 2001 Report Share Posted September 17, 2001 sorry Nvard. we are back to weird names again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted November 26, 2001 Report Share Posted November 26, 2001 here are some more weird names. Vilis - Vladimil Ilyich Lenin, Iosef Stalin ( i guess)Telemak - televisor magnitaphone Atsi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted November 26, 2001 Report Share Posted November 26, 2001 quote:Originally posted by dragon:does anyone know what do names Astghik and Anahit mean???i defenatly do not consider them to be weird names!!!--------------------BA?!?! --------------------Anahid is the same Diana goddess for Armenians. Read Diana in reverse.Anahid is the goddess of prosperity, motherhood, wisdom, etc., while Astghik is the armenian goddess of youth, love and romance Anahit being an anagram of Diana may be purely coincidental, if it is not then "Diana" would be loaned from the Armenian as the latter precedes the Roman godess. She is the godess of fertility and in earlier times also a godess of war. Anahit is believed to be the daghter of Aramazd. Some of her nickknames are "snoutzogh mayer" and "voske-mayer". Beside her identification with the Roman Diana she is also considered an analog of the Greek Artemis and the Egyptian Niith (here may be a clue to the Diana). The fact that Anahit is also an equivalent of the Persian godess Anahita explains in part the origin of the name. In old Persian (Pahlavi?), just like in the Armenian and other IE languages "an/ana" is a negative prefix to mean "without" and "hita" means blemish- Ana-Hita means without blemish, i.e pure, immaculate. Anahit was much revered and her cult so widespread that at one time the region of Bartzr Hayk was simply called Anahtakan. Astghik, of course means "little star", as in Stella. It is the diminutive form of "astgh" which is a purely native Armenian word akin to the Avestic and Sanskrit "star", Tocharian "stella" and Beluchi "ishtar" (is there a message here?). Of course, not to forget "star" and "astre/astro" etc. in some of the modern European languages.Astghik is the godess of love and beauty, she is akin to the Greek Aphrodite. She was also the patron godess of water and her symbol was the "vishap" and her feast was the Vardavar in the month of Navasard which is still celebrated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted November 26, 2001 Report Share Posted November 26, 2001 Weird names LENDRUSH = Leninyan DroshMelsik = Marks + Engels + Lenin = stalinKim - Komsomol .... es mek@ chem hisum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted November 27, 2001 Report Share Posted November 27, 2001 Arpa, thank you very much.can you, please, write about others too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted November 27, 2001 Report Share Posted November 27, 2001 quote:Originally posted by MosJan: Weird names LENDRUSH = Leninyan DroshMelsik = Marks + Engels + Lenin = stalinKim - Komsomol .... es mek@ chem hisum Mos jan, Kim-@ Koreakan anun a. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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