MJ Posted August 6, 2001 Report Share Posted August 6, 2001 For those who are not familiar with the history of the Republic of Mountainous Armenia, it was proclaimed by Garegin Nzhdeh in the result of the February 7th, 1921 rebellion of the Southern provinces of Armenia under the command of General Nzhdeh. In the result of this rebellion the Communist Regime was overthrown in Armenia for about six months - a unique event in the history of the Soviet Empire. This is one of the few heroic chapters in the entire Armenian history, and the only reason we ended up preserving Zangezure within the borders of Armenia is this rebellion. Additionally, this rebellion has huge legal implications in more serious issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron Posted August 7, 2001 Report Share Posted August 7, 2001 Hi everybody i'm back from a well deserved break ! MJ, please elaborate that last line of yours I don't understand what your talking about.And how do you guys think karabagh helps zangezur? with agriculture, militarily or... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJ Posted August 7, 2001 Report Share Posted August 7, 2001 quote:Originally posted by Aaron:Hi everybody i'm back from a well deserved break !MJ, please elaborate that last line of yours I don't understand what your talking about.And how do you guys think karabagh helps zangezur? with agriculture, militarily or... Are you asking how has the rebellion helped to preserve Zangezure within the borders of Armenia? If yes, then if not for this rebellion, Zangezure would've been put under the Azerbaijani mandate along the same lines as the Nakhichevan has been. Nzhdeh has agreed to end the rebellion only after prolonged negotiations with the Kremlin through Alexander Miasnikyan, the Russians have agreed to let Zangezure stay within the borders of Armenia. The rebellion, and the proclamation of the Mountainous Republic have also other implications. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron Posted August 7, 2001 Report Share Posted August 7, 2001 MJ I'm aware of Nzhdeh's role in preserving Zangezur but once again, elaborate, present and explain that last line (which seems so mysterious) quoteThe rebellion, and the proclamation of the Mountainous Republic have also other implications. What kind of implications? I know Armenian history pretty much but to what event are you making reference? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJ Posted August 7, 2001 Report Share Posted August 7, 2001 Simply to the signing of the Russo-Turkish Treaty in March, 1921. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted August 8, 2001 Report Share Posted August 8, 2001 quote:Originally posted by MJ:For those who are not familiar with the history of the Republic of Mountainous Armenia, it was proclaimed by Garegin Nzhdeh in the result of the February 7th, 1921 rebellion of the Southern provinces of Armenia under the command of General Nzhdeh. In the result of this rebellion the Communist Regime was overthrown in Armenia for about six months - a unique event in the history of the Soviet Empire. This is one of the few heroic chapters in the entire Armenian history, and the only reason we ended up preserving Zangezure within the borders of Armenia is this rebellion. Additionally, this rebellion has huge legal implications in more serious issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted August 8, 2001 Report Share Posted August 8, 2001 quote:This is one of the few heroic chapters in the entire Armenian history, and the only reason we ended up preserving Zangezure within the borders of Armenia is this rebellion. Additionally, this rebellion has huge legal implications in more serious issues.[/QB]MJ,I Cordially disagree with you. There were thousands of heros who "tralala" the turks during the Ottoman yoke. Some super-patriotic Armenians call them bandits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJ Posted August 8, 2001 Report Share Posted August 8, 2001 Gamavore, Could you mention some of them? [ August 08, 2001: Message edited by: MJ ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juggernaut Posted August 8, 2001 Report Share Posted August 8, 2001 Yes MJ, we have no heroes, our religion is corrupt and our culture is simple savagery. LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJ Posted August 8, 2001 Report Share Posted August 8, 2001 quote:Originally posted by Juggernaut:Yes MJ, we have no heroes, our religion is corrupt and our culture is simple savagery. LOL Glad to see you in a better mood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted August 8, 2001 Report Share Posted August 8, 2001 With great pleasure! Serop, Kevork Chaush, Bedo Semerdjian. For the rest I need to get my "yerkaran". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted August 8, 2001 Report Share Posted August 8, 2001 images/smiles/converted/smile.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJ Posted August 8, 2001 Report Share Posted August 8, 2001 quote:Originally posted by gamavor:With great pleasure!Serop, Kevork Chaush, Bedo Semerdjian. For the rest I need to get my "yerkaran". Could you also add the accomplishments of each of them, and time stamp their heroism, please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted August 8, 2001 Report Share Posted August 8, 2001 Their accomplishments were limited to keeping the national consciousness alert, reminding to the rest of the Armenian populace, that Armenians are subject nation to the asiatic barbarism in the face of the turks. Their activities were prelude for the attempts of organized national movement revolting against the foreign oppressor. In that stage, their actions have had predominantly revenges character, usually against "social" or "moral" injustices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJ Posted August 8, 2001 Report Share Posted August 8, 2001 quote:Originally posted by gamavor:In that stage, their actions have had predominantly revenges character, usually against "social" or "moral" injustices. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted August 8, 2001 Report Share Posted August 8, 2001 You Wellcome! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aratta-Kingdom Posted April 29, 2008 Report Share Posted April 29, 2008 /PanARMENIAN.Net/ Well-known U.S. politician Paul Goble will take the office of Research Director at the Azerbaijani Academy of Diplomacy and will also give a course of lectures in Azeri universities. The information was confirmed by the Azeri Foreign Ministry, Mediaforum reports. Paul Goble is known as the author of Artsax for Meghri swap plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted April 29, 2008 Report Share Posted April 29, 2008 /PanARMENIAN.Net/ Well-known U.S. politician Paul Goble will take the office of Research Director at the Azerbaijani Academy of Diplomacy and will also give a course of lectures in Azeri universities. The information was confirmed by the Azeri Foreign Ministry, Mediaforum reports. Paul Goble is known as the author of Artsax for Meghri swap plan. Dear Aratta, could you please move the above item here http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=4177&hl=goble So we can follow recent developments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aratta-Kingdom Posted April 29, 2008 Report Share Posted April 29, 2008 I can't Arpa jan. We must ask the mods to do it for us. Dear Mods, could you please move the article for us? Thanks in advance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted April 29, 2008 Report Share Posted April 29, 2008 (edited) I can't Arpa jan. We must ask the mods to do it for us. Dear Mods, could you please move the article for us? Thanks in advance We have spoken about this before, when some of us may think that they have discovered a whole new subject, and want to be the first to post it. Paul Goble and his "gobble di gook" has been discussed here many times. In fact , I have met him in person at that symposium at the Columbia University in NY where he was the guest of Jirayr Libaridian and the featured speaker, where he first advanced his proposal of exchanging Artsakh to Meghri. BOOO!!! and BOOO! again! Yes you can. Repost the item under that or other relevent thread** and go back to edit and void that post. The mods will eventually see it fit to remove. ** please search and find where "Goble" has been mentoned, he has been mentioned numerous times, and which thread suits your purpose best. Edited April 29, 2008 by Arpa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aratta-Kingdom Posted April 29, 2008 Report Share Posted April 29, 2008 the info about goble being employed by the azeris is new to us. even the government officials of Armenia could not have predicted that. now that most of the cards are open, we know for a fact that the other U.S. representative, bryza, also works to defend the interests of the azeris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johannes Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 (edited) Ո՞վ էր Ժիրայր Լիպարիտեանը, տեղէ մը կը յիշեմ բայց... We have spoken about this before, when some of us may think that they have discovered a whole new subject, and want to be the first to post it. Paul Goble and his "gobble di gook" has been discussed here many times. In fact , I have met him in person at that symposium at the Columbia University in NY where he was the guest of Jirayr Libaridian and the featured speaker, where he first advanced his proposal of exchanging Artsakh to Meghri. BOOO!!! and BOOO! again! Yes you can. Repost the item under that or other relevent thread** and go back to edit and void that post. The mods will eventually see it fit to remove. ** please search and find where "Goble" has been mentoned, he has been mentioned numerous times, and which thread suits your purpose best. Edited April 30, 2008 by Johannes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aratta-Kingdom Posted May 15, 2008 Report Share Posted May 15, 2008 Paul Goble: I’ll enter history as Artsax for Meghri swap plan author 15.05.2008 /PanARMENIAN.Net/ “In historical books, my name will always be linked to the idea I suggested in January 1992 in the “Goble’s Plan” prepared for the then-Secretary of State,” well known U.S. political scientist, director of research center at the Azerbaijani academy of diplomacy, Dr Paul Goble said when asked whether he deals with the Nagorno Artsax problem at present. “At that time I thought that the conflict has reached its critical point and all possibilities should be considered. The decisions taken presently should be different from those taken in 1992. I would like people to think over my ideas in today’s context. I have decided for myself to refrain from any comment on the policy pursued by Azerbaijan while I am working in this country,” he said, the Azeri Press Agency reported. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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