Why do girls like black guys?

[Armen]

Hello everybody,

 

I was just passing by yesterday and this thread made me to come back today.

 

Please, check out this link: Hrant and Gayane

 

These guys were born in Yerevan and live there now. They are citizens of the Republic of Armenia.

 

Question: What is their nationality?

 

Answer: Armenian

 

Cheers,

 

Armen

[THOTH]

GAH -

 

Its all so easy isn't it - and you have all the answer - or the one answer - yours...

 

We are all racists you claim - so lets just look down on others - stay apart from others etc - well yes - make the Turks proud...

 

One cannot be an Armenian unless they think and do exactly as you prescribe - etc - yes..

 

Well its all not so simple. First of all assimilation is going to happen - you cannot expect all or even most Armenian children to grow up in the US/West and not become assimilated into the culture...thats just not realistic (and who are we - the Amish?) and you also can't dictate to individuals whats they must be like, who they might be attracted too, date and perhaps eventually marry...

 

While I sympathyze with your desire to maintain Armenian culture - I don't think that you are at all realistic. And you must realize that culture is not a static thing - it changes over time - adopts new things and ways - and aspects that do not serve people anymore drop away. If there is value in being Armenian - that which has value will remain - some will continu to practise and identify with this - others will not. In the end - perhaps only i Armenia will you be able to find "true" Armenian culture - and even there I suspect it will not remain free from outside influences and experieince change. As uncomfortable, perhaps, as these thoughts might seem to you - it just is.

 

And I don't think we can afford to be racist in this world anymore - not and expect to survive. Its also just not the way to be - tolarance and acceptance are more the order - as perhaps our grandparents might have wished more exisited in Anatolia in 1915 and before...

 

And no one says that you must like hip hop culture - or what-have-you...doesn't particualrly apeal to me...but I say live and let live...and trust your fellow Armenian to make decisions for themselves - I think that most will grow out of this anyway...the young will be young...and if you really care about preservation/continuation of Armenian culture - and participation of this and future generations in such - you should do what you can to see that it is attractive/meaningful to them - make it worthwhile...and by all means do not be so exclusive about it...that will be the death sentence right there for sure...

[Azat]

Hello everybody,

 

I was just passing by yesterday and this thread made me to come back today.

 

Please, check out this link: Hrant and Gayane

 

These guys were born in Yerevan and live there now. They are citizens of the Republic of Armenia.

 

Question: What is their nationality?

 

Answer: Armenian

 

Cheers,

 

Armen

thank you

[Armat]

I say (supported by most anthropologists and current theories of human evolution) we all started as blacks from Africa and therefore we are one big family tree. Perhaps too general but imagine looking the earth from the moon all we see is this beautiful gorgeous planet that God created (it means anything you want it to be) and you see no borders, no nations just a planet but more then a just planet. It is healthy too zoom out sometimes. Good for the soul.

[Hye_Acher]

I don't see the correlation between someone identifying with the Armenian people and identifying with a black man.

 

Firstly, if you consider the consequences of the Armenian Genocide, you should realize that what was started in 1915 is still in progress. The act of rooting our people from the homeland was the first step. The next, is to let the people dissipate thru assimilation. Our grandparents and parents feared this and therefore built communities in the diaspora to make sure we maintain our religion, our culture, and our language. Why after so much work, does the new generation of Armenians ignore this? Going out with odars and blacks. How can an Armenian that claims to recognize and mourn the loss of our martyrs, rationalize going out with an odar? with a black man?

 

It's a contradiction in terms. If you want to raise odar or black children, that's your perogative. Just don't identify yourself as Armenian, as an Armenian would want to perpetuate being Armenian to her children.

 

 

I might be labelled a racist....I don't care. We're all racists and anybody that tells you otherwise is only fooling themselves. I'm willing to take the chance of being chastized when I say that I'm ASHAMEd at our new generation. They'd rather identify with hip-hop, basketball, cheap thrills, hooliganism and generally unrefined, uneducated, and uncultured pasttimes rather than cherish something that was pasted down to us through hundreds of generations.

 

If you truly cherished being Armenian, mourned what happened to our people, appreciated the things our forefathers did to make sure we call ourselves Armenian, than you'd want to pass that to your children....

 

!!!!!!! .And the ONLY way to do that is to marry Armenian. !!!!!!!!

 

AMEN

GAH

I agree with you totally and completly.... I really really enjoyed reading your post. GREAT JOB, I wish we had more people who approch to this topic the same way as you do. WOW

[hyebruin]

i agree with what you said there(2 posts ago)...HOWEVER!!!! there are always exceptions!!! (i'm not talking about me, i am NOT the exception, since i would not choose to marry a non-armenian)...so what about someone who does not plan on having any kids...(too old or whatever??)...then, marrying an 'odar' and making THAT person assimilate is just as hard a job as trying "to stay armenian"...AND very honorable indeed!...though in our community i doubt that there are a lot of strong willed individuals like that!! I KNOW there are not many!! let's face it! our people are mostly shallow and do not really "think" about this stuff too much! [in l.a. for example, it's all about the looks, the clothes, the cars, and how much money they can make--what's funny is that many have cars that cost more than their homes/apts. AND net worth!!!]...i won't get into that..that's another sad topic!!

but to totally generalize that those who do not marry an armenian are NOT patriotic or whatever is really a bunch of b.s. because i KNOW people personally who defy the mold!! but like i said they're very very few and i'm glad that i've gotten to know them... that's all

[sev-mard]

Gah,

 

As I said in a post earlier I'm all for preserving culture, for a long time I wouldn't look at non black girls, but there is only so far you go with that. If you feel that(dating odars is wrong) in your heart and mind then cool, but if you're doing it, simply because it's been passed down for hundreds of years, is that totally right? I come from scientifically and historically old race, black africanoids. My family is from the Carribean, we weren't killed? We weren't enslaved and had our very being and soul attacked, still to this day? How many of my people lay buried in the Atlantic Ocean because of the Middle Passage. Me personally, I'm aware of my history and it i'm pro-black, I love my people, but I also love who I want to be my wife in a different way. I study Hayaren now, I plan to name my children Armenian names, and allow my possible future wife's name to stay as a middle name, so it will be there. I understand the weight of culture to armenians and am willing to let my own stand aside for hers. Each case is different, and if i'm not wrong...why do armenians gils get all the bad wrap, when my current armenian guy friends.....NONE THEM HAVE, HAVE HAD, OR EVEN PLAN TO DATE ARMENIAN GIRLS....but once a girl does it the guys get all offended like "odars taking our women" Contradiction in terms.

My boys don't tell me anything about my situation, most are like "Wow you're the first odar(esp. black) i've seen with an armenian girl, she must see something in you. All these people on the web spew all this hate, but i've been downtown Glendale eating sushi with my girl and her friends and didn't anybody jump me. And why is there seperations between odars and black? You said it yourself..."Marry an odar. A black man?" Why am I(we) singled out. The brothers I know are consious and righteous, i'm willing to speak one of harderst langauges on the face of the earth all for my girl....how can that be a damaging thing to the culture. I've met older Barskahyes and Hayastansis who were shocked by the mere fact that I was trying and able to speak some sentences to them. If I can reach those people I feel like I'm doing something right.

 

But to me it's all love. I'll sit right there with a hardcore armo who doesn't want odars to mix with them and we can vibe, because I respect and understand his views. A soldier is a soldier from any culture. Its how you were raised and how you think, but what's most important is people take the time to think for themselves and realistically, the world could run smoother. It's all love either way, I give people the freedom to be themselves.

Edited October 10, 2003 by sev-mard

[sev-mard]

Sevmard -

 

Just curious - about how old are you guys and how long have you been dating? I know that interacial/intercultural relationships can be very stressful for a variety of reasons and I really respect those who through will or desire or whatever are able to put up with all the difficulties and see it through.

Thoth,

 

Well i'm k'san'n vets and she is k'san'n choors. We've been together for like a year and a half officially. But I was teaching English in Japan for two years and were together while I was gone as well. Yes inkuh shad sirumem, this is very serious to my heart with her. I'm not a player and this is not a game. If anything I feel bad that i'm i a position of not being able to be accepted completely by her side of the fence you know. Sure things can be tough, but when we're out we don't look like that "Oh, she's with him because he's black" couple. You all know what I mean. We're really together, we met, there were sparks and that was it. A truly loving, monogamous relationship. People stare in general, but overall people don't have anything to say to my face, or even behind my back. I'm sure people don't approve but as long as they keep their distance and don't disrespect me or my girl to my face, live and let live.

 

I have the desire to make this work. My kids hopefully will have armenian names, so if someone meets a light skinned kid named Sevaq or Armond speaking Arevelkian Hayaren with full lips and curly hair, sure they'll probably say he's black, but he's armenian too. My girls only problem would probably stop me from becoming too armenian to ease my transition. I already have plans with my friend to go see Ararat in person and things of that nature. If people are worried about odars taking armenian achchiks away from the culture, i'm not one of those guys. A couple is unit, and symbiosis is necessary.

 

Peace

Edited October 10, 2003 by sev-mard

[GAH]

Sev-mard,

 

I singled out black men, because that was along the lines of the orginal post, but in general, my views really apply to all odars.

 

I'll admit there are exceptions to all generalizations, but living in the US all my life, I've witnessed too many Armenians marrying odars and what happens.

 

Odars promise to stay involved in the armenian community, learn the culture, learn the language, name their kids armenian names, promise to make their kids go to armenian school. They make all these promises, honorable or not, but reality sets in as their life goes on. You can't make an odar Armenian. You can't make an odar fall in love and feel a sense of belonging to a culture. I've seen it time and time again where the couple continues to go to events/church, but after they marry, slowly but surely they come less and less to events, they don't speak armenian in the house, their kids don't learn the language because of it, the kids don't feel armenian and belonging to the community, and that's that. Finished. Oh, and I'm sorry to say, if they're half-black, they're certainly going to have a harder time with identity issues as I've witnessed a couple of half-black guys in our community.

[Stormig]

BS alarm ringing like crazy!

I'm not one to advocate copy-the-Jews, but one thing to be learned if you look at Jews in the Middle East (Semitic) and Jews from Europe (blond, blue eyes, etc.) is that they love their culture and identity and know how to make others like it, too! Instead of restriction, needed is expansion!

[Armat]

BS alarm ringing like crazy!

I'm not one to advocate copy-the-Jews, but one thing to be learned if you look at Jews in the Middle East (Semitic) and Jews from Europe (blond, blue eyes, etc.) is that they love their culture and identity and know how to make others like it, too! Instead of restriction, needed is expansion!

Stormy you took the words out of my mouth.I agree totally. :thumbsup:Why are we afraid anyway!!!?For the record lot of "pure" Armenians in the diaspora are totally assimilated.My close friend an Armenian woman married a danish guy and their son attends an Armenian school and speaks fluent Armenian.That kid may become more productive Armenian then all the assimilated ones.

[GAH]

The Jewish community is exactly what we should model after. Jews are perfect example of how a people can stick together without living in Israel. But they have the advantage over us in that there religion is what sets them apart.

[sev-mard]

I hear what you're saying Gah. All I can say is those people aren't me, and I live this Kyank for God, me and my family. So if 1000 odars made a bad impression on you, there still not me and I'm going to be true to my word. As it's all I have. And it's also about unions, bonds being made. The haykakan won't be losing my girl, they'd be gaining me and children. Of course Life will be hard for mixed kids(another story entirely) but life is hard for me, and for you and for everyone in some stage or phase of life, unless you're Paris Hilton.

 

I'm just trying to be happy, respectful and enjoy what time I have here. My life has been enriched by the Armenians I have come in contact with, and I would think those who have met me could say the same. I speak some spanish and fluent(reading, writing & speaking) Japanese which I taught myself while I lived there. I WILL learn this language and culture because it's for the only thing more important than myself right now....my girl.

 

 

peace

Edited December 15, 2003 by sev-mard

[THOTH]

Sev...your just to good to be true...LOL...anyway - hope it works out!

[Azat]

You're just too good to be true

Can't take my eyes off of you

You'd be live heaven to touch

I wanna hold you so much

 

At long last love has arrived

And I thank God I'm alive

You're just to good to be true

Can't take my eyes off of you

 

You're just too way that I stare

There's nothing else to compare

The sight of you leaves me weak

There are no words left to speak

 

But if you feel like I feel

Please let me know that it's real

You're just to good to be true

And my baby

Can't take my eyes off of you

 

I love you baby

And if it's quite all right

I need you baby

To warm the lonely night

I love you baby

Trust in me when I say

 

Oh, baby baby

Don't bring me down, I pray

Oh pretty baby

Now that I found you, stay

Let me love you, baby

 

---

oh, oops sorry wrong person to write song lyrics to.

[Sip]

Azat, I'm guessing it's TFIG for you, eh?

[Azat]

I must say I do not know what TFIG is?

 

But heck I do Thank Friday it's God. There is a joke with Robinson Caruso and TFIG

[Azat]

Ya I do feel silly again, but unlike Thoth I have not even had a drink yet. But Sunday It's my friends birthday and her husband it taking bunch of us out to party all day long. Up to Solvang area for some Pinot Nior. WoooHooooo

[Sip]

I must say I do not know what TFIG is

Hehehehe ... strange thing is, I haven't had any drinks either. Don't know what happened there!!!! But at least there's some research that says it's ok for me to goof up like that

[nairi]

BECAUSE THEY'RE SEXY!!!!!

 

I met a Kenyan tonight.

[790]

Does anyone know if #21 of Armenia is black http://www.uefa.com/Competitions/Under19/F...1047/index.html

[790]

btw, there are actually Africans("blacks") in that team

[Nocturne]

Sev-Mard

 

Not to be the devils advocate but

 

I have never understood, nor will I ever understand how, or actually WHY odars, such as yourself, leave their own culture and come into the Armenian culture.

 

How do you disown your own culture so easily ?

[Stormig]

Sev-Mard

 

Not to be the devils advocate but

 

I have never understood, nor will I ever understand how, or actually WHY odars, such as yourself, leave their own culture and come into the Armenian culture.

 

How do you disown your own culture so easily ?

They're not like Armenians; for them, adopting another culture comes easily because it is without prejudice and worries and isn't like taking off one's clothes and putting on another suit like some Armenians feign it is. :fyou:

[Stormig]

My gawd, I can't believe some people. They're told no Armenian is being stolen from their culture but one person is being gained by Armenians and you're having that met with prejudice and suspicion as well. How difficult to please can it get?