Arpa Posted May 12, 2011 Report Share Posted May 12, 2011 (edited) http://asbarez.com/95834/hamshen-armenians-to-resettle-in-karabakh/ http://asbarez.com/arm/98528/ http://asbarez.com/App/Asbarez/eng/2011/05/0511hamshen.jpg http://asbarez.com/App/Asbarez/arm/2011/05/0511hamshenahayer.jpg Hamshen Armenians to Resettle in (kara...edit…) Artsakh YEREVAN (Yerkir)—Around 200 Hamshen-Armenian families living in Kyrgyzstan are opting to resettle in the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic, Artsakh.The leader of the Hamshen-Armenian community, Ruslan Karabadjakov has travelled to Yerevan, from where he will go to Artsakh to look into logistics for the relocation of 200 families there.“Our place is here, in Armenia,” said Karabadjakov. “For 250 years fate has forced us to move from place to palce—Adzharia, Central Asia. Finally we’ve decided to seek refuge on our own soil.”It is anticipated that the Hamshen Armenians will establish residency in the Mardakert region of Artsakh. The Nagorno-Karabakh Republic authorities will provide land and opportunities for economic developments and will subsidize this effort until the families are self-sufficient.Armenians of Hamshen in Western Armenia were conquered by the Ottomans in the 15th century. The majority of them were forced to convert to Islam. A resurgence of Hamshen Armenians has begun in recent years, with a group in Armenia forming community organizations and publishing a newspaper.The Hamshen Armenians settled in Adjaria, from where they were driven out and a large majority settled in Kyrgyzstan and Kazakhstan.====To refresh our memory see post #160 by MosJan below. http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=3459&st=160 Vardanyan says that there are dozens of stories like that, demonstrating that each generation of Islamized Armenians knows less and less about their origins. In 1984, Vardanyan made an effort to resettle one of the derelict villages in Lori with 150 families of Christian Hamshentsi from Krasnodar and Abkhazia and Islamized Hamshentsi from Central Asia. However, the program was not realized, partly because of official apprehension of conflicts between Armenians. Edited May 12, 2011 by Arpa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nvard Posted May 12, 2011 Report Share Posted May 12, 2011 hmm I have mixed feelings... It's great we have them move to Artsakh, bayts...I personally just don't get the existance of this group of Armenians. When I'm told- they "were forced to accept islam", I say- others chose to die, but stay true to their identity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted May 12, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 12, 2011 (edited) Yes Nvard, you bring up a valid point.Here are a couple of quotes from the above. In 1944, on the orders of Josef Stalin, Islamized Hamshen Armenians who had settled in six villages in southern Adjaria near the border with Turkey were expelled to Central Asia. Forty years later when Vardanyan was traveling through Central Asia, he met some of the survivors. This is the part that caught my fancy and puzzled me. Survey their pictures again. Most of the 3,000 Islamized Hamshen Armenians he saw were blue-eyed and blond. Some said that they did not know their nationality – their passports stated “Hemshil” or “Turkish”. Was Hayk blue eyed and blond?However, in a more serious mode, we need to populate Artsakh, regarrdless of their skin/hair and eye color, even their so called "religion", or the lack thereof. Edited May 12, 2011 by Arpa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nvard Posted May 13, 2011 Report Share Posted May 13, 2011 Well, I was lucky anough to witness Hamshen Hayer with my own eyes. They look just plain Meditaer. Not really blonde and blue eyed Maybe he saw a specific group that comes from Van-Rshtunik-Sasun. They are the blondest,the tallest and most blue eyed among Armenians. Who knows..But! We sure need to populate Artsakh, but we need to bee sure they are no "hidden threat".. As you know, the one who betrayed you once will do it twice.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zartonk Posted May 13, 2011 Report Share Posted May 13, 2011 High time or practicality. The Hamshen are 'tseghakron' without knowing it- they chose Islam and subsequently used it as a mechanism of self-preservation. For them, the priority was remaining in their fatherland at ANY COST, which can hardly be considered betrayal. Their preservation of the Armenian language and culture is astonishing, and lest we be mistaken, they are still the fiercest minority when it comes to avoiding assimilation. They take NOBODY'S s***... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yervant1 Posted May 13, 2011 Report Share Posted May 13, 2011 High time or practicality. The Hamshen are 'tseghakron' without knowing it- they chose Islam and subsequently used it as a mechanism of self-preservation. For them, the priority was remaining in their fatherland at ANY COST, which can hardly be considered betrayal. Their preservation of the Armenian language and culture is astonishing, and lest we be mistaken, they are still the fiercest minority when it comes to avoiding assimilation. They take NOBODY'S s***...I second your sentiments, they have a longing to their roots. They should be helped and welcomed, not judged as to how they survived. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aratta-Kingdom Posted May 14, 2011 Report Share Posted May 14, 2011 (edited) Nvard, iranq im u qo pes hayer en. Irakanum, iranq shat aveli hay en, qan shat urishner. "mesxetinci turqer@" nuynpes tsagumov hay en. Arevmtyan Hayastanum nuynpes shat islamacats hayer kan. Karevor@ vor hayi hoqin ardun e iranc mej. Amenic shat indz mtahoghum e "kovkasyan konfederacia" steghtselu gaghapar@. U.S. is behind it. Hayastanum arden kan xmber vor xosum en ayd masin. Yes mi seminari nerka yegha, vortegh xosvum er vor kovkasyan mi qaqni cegher haykakan tsagum unen. Indz ays mitqn e amenashat@ mtahoghum. Chechen, Abxaz, kam eli urishneri hayakakan tsagman masin yerb xosvum e, payman e paster nerkayacnel@. Edited May 14, 2011 by Aratta-Kingdom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted May 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 14, 2011 (edited) The item above at Asbarez got one of the most comments (22), many pro, a few con.I removed the names some of which I/you would recognize.What do you think? ====This is a very good news i have been reading about hanshen Armenians it goes backto before 15 century and they also lived in the part of western Armenia by the black sea, this is very good we should relocate lots of the Armenians from all of the world to ArsaxGod Bless Armenia------God speed. May the good Lord, Mer Hayotz Astvadz, (God of the Armenians) shine a light upon the Hamshen and show them the way home. I am so stocked. Now, there are 300,000 Armenians in Moldova, Living around the Armenian monastery of Hatch Gadar, they need to go home too.-----Whats wrong living in Moldova? How about 1 mililon Armenians from USA or 500,000 from France or somewhere else?---600 years being a Muslim is enough to change a mentality. If they are still considering themselves as Armenians, how about converting back to their ancestors religion this time willingly and eliminating the possibility of being the 5th column in their motherland. Have there been any requests from their side?----no need for them to convert. let them be whatever religion they want. they are Armenians and thats all that matters.----Not all Hamshen are Moslem; many are Christian. If we welcome our Moslem-Hamshen friends, and are not suspicious of them, chances are good that the Good News will be attractive to some of them, and some may convert because they believe in the Word. Because Christ touches their hearts. They should not seek to be Christian to placate their neighbors or to follow in the footsteps of ancestors. Christianity is not a badge of patriotism. They do not owe us the profession of Christianity. They owe it to themselves and God, perhaps. There are Armenian Sufis [ my cousin, for example], and I am sure Buddhists. Still more atheists and agnostics. Each is free to be Armenian. Nobody is a gatekeeper. It is a miracle that the Hamshen are still Armenian after so much time and distance.----Read again: Our place is here, in Armenia, said Karabadjakov. For 250 years fate has forced us to move from place to palceAdzharia, Central Asia. Finally weve decided to seek refuge on our own soil.Our own soil means they feel they belong. Who cares what religion they practice. Especially considering the fact that the overwhelming religion in Armenia today seems to be how to make money, not earn money but make money, by usually robbing each other that start hight up in the government.I thing it is both heartwarming and nationally advantageous to increase the Hamshen community on Armenia, for an eventual reunification with the Hamshenlis on the other side of the border.-----After 70 years of forced atheism in the USSR they can start with a blank slate. The key is not to force anybody like the Turks did to them but have this option as an individual choice. There are plenty of Masques left in Artsakh by the Turks for these who want to go there. Give them a few generations and a good big welcome. Artsakh needs a lot of children and God knows they can make them!-----This is a good point. But at the same time, if were going to talk about their ancestors religion, what religion did you have in mind?--- I wish 200 families (including my own family)from united states resettle in Artsakh as well. wish to see that day!-----We should organize a drive so that this project is successful.The sooner the better.-----This was long overdue. Lets set up a fund and help them. It will be money well spent. I hope every family in the diaspora can adopt a family in artsakh.---I got goose-bumps just reading this. What a wonderful story. So much negativity of Armenians leaving the homeland on their own free will. Let this be the start of a movement to repatriate as many Armenians as possible to our homeland. The Diaspora ought to rally around developing communities, industry, and a path towards a brighter future in Armenia for ALL Armenians. Perhaps we can find our way back home from these lost Armenians.----Free land and opportunities for economic developments and willsubsidize this effort until the families are self-sufficient.It has to be tax free for a while che?Wait till the rest of the word Armenians hear this, from Iraq, Turkey,including all of the retirees from Florida, and more.-----Welcome back! We are all Armenian regardless from religion and I am happy they are coming to join with other Armenians------ Bring those beautiful people back to the Fatherland. God bless them for surviving the centuries.----I wonder if their dialect has been studied. Its been in isolation in Krygrzstan and as a living linguistic community can likely serve as a window into the state of one variety of Armenian prior to the standardization of Ashkhrabar (both eastern and western varieties).----Great news, hope this is just a start.-----Lets us welcome them with open arms and make them feel at home. Our Nations salvation is resettlement of our homeland with all Armenians. Pari yegak Sireli Hayrenageetsner!---- Long live our lost brothers and sisters.----- It is a great news, I hope more of these Armenians will move to their homeland---- Are these people Christians? Shouldnt they be settled in Agdam and other former Azeris territories? Edited May 14, 2011 by Arpa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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