who read the bible and try to do whats in written?who's a re

[Pilafhead]

Yes, I've had a lot of trouble understanding this. One who does good purely from the heart should be more favorably judged than one who does good in the name of Jesus into order to go to Heaven.

[Pilafhead]

If they do not lust for alcohol, or more simply, abuse it, then it cannot be a sin. In fact, aren't there some studies that suggest one or two drinks a day is good for your health. The whole "Temple of Christ" argument against alcohol goes out the window.

This is where Paul's Roman's verse would apply. Ten different people will have ten different attitudes about alcohol. I'm not saying you can pick and choose your sins, but clearly instances of Biblical "fuzziness" makes it a universal document that can withstand centuries and still be relevant.

[Pilafhead]

Well put.

I would only add that a true Christian would define "bad behavior" in the right way.


Drink more, eat less bacon and saturated fats!

[TigrannesIII]

So let me get this straight, we have Kazza saying it's ok to deviate from the Gospel, so long as you don't hurt anybody, and Mike who's already admitted to us that he's not a believer telling us what a good Christian is.... great.

 

Kazza, you put yourself above God when you pick and choose what is a sin and what isn't a sin. And that is the greatest sin of all. Remember the Golden Goat?

[MJ]

Btac,

 

I guess my answer is that someone in real love with the Lord cannot demonstrate a bad behavior. The behavior is a mere expression of what is in someone’s heart. Saying “I love the Lord” doesn’t mean Loving Him.

 

I do agree with you that the “tree is judged about by its fruit.” If you love God, you wouldn’t do anything which would heart Him. And any number of things that we may do may heart him. Even if we do it to ourselves.

 

If we accept that we are God’s children, that should be understandable. Much like even if my children would do something that hearts, on the onset, only them, it would heart me.

 

The summary of my reply to you is, I guess, that I am in agreement with you, and I agree that the behavior and the lifestyle of a person are the evidence of one’s love for the Lord.

[dragon]

Te inchbes Hisus chouru kiniyi veradzets

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Asdvadzapanagan hamalsaran mu gu haydarare murtsank` verohishyal hartsoumu nergayatsnelov ir ousanoghneroun, baymanav vor badaskhanu ulla garj, ampoghchagan yev kegharvesdagan.

 

Murtsanku gu hadgatsvi ayn ousanoghin, vor aysbes kradz er:

 

''Chouru ir DERu desav yev garmretsav''.

 

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Dragon

[armeniangirl83]

Hello all you! First :excuse me for my very, very bad English. Hope that you can understand me!!!

 

I have read the most reactions, not all, and I will also give mine opinion about mine question.

First I will react on a few persons or pronounces.

 

Btac, excuse me for mine question!!

 

Maybe it is philosophical, the question, but I mean it really!

When you accept Jesus as your savior, he can help you. When you believe in Him. But the most, it's really the true, are saying: I'm Christian because I believe in Christ. I don't say that that true is or false, bad or good.

When you do a sign, that's not god. But when you know that it is a sign? I think that you can know it. You can feel it. Everyone have a conscience. So you can feel it. 'What I have done, was that right or not?' Of course you do a sign. That's a normally reaction from the human. But you can become free from the signs. Jesus Christ is 2000 years ago died for us. He has done it that we can free from the signs. But some people are drinking and all the other things. Who have said that's bad? You can drink but when you're drunking, that is a sign, and I think that is a sign because you're not in control.

Yes Btac, I had never most wrote this question, it's different!

 

But now to Kazza. You have written:

'So if god GAVE us the pleasures in this life is it sinful to enjoy them?'

God begins with Adam and Eva. Very in the beginning. I think that he don't know that they shall eat from the tree good or false. Ok, Eva began with eat and she feel in herself what good was and what wrong. That' was the moment that she can feel that.

Then Adam had eaten it also and God pushed them out the paradise. (in Genesis 3:7 is written that them eyes opened and they saw the they were without clothes-excuse me, I didn't have an English bible)

Ok, God pushed them out the paradise, but he had said one thing: read genesis 3:9 till 24. I can't write it all. But I shall try to write a few pieces. In 22: God said; the people is become as us, they know the different between good and bad.

So you can know the different between good and false, God have given to us. (But Btac have reacted on that).

 

Aghmug,' Many sins are self-defined. The Bible intentionally has such "grey areas" for each person to determine their own understanding. Doesn't Paul say somewhere in the New Testament: "If you think it is a sin, then for you it is a sin"? Obviously paraphrased'

You write. That's mine opinion too. Some thinks are not good. That knows every person. For example: kill anybody.(But about that, I have mine opinion, in a warn of certain thinks, but maybe I shall say that in another topic).

 

I will react on Levonyeshilian. You have written: 'which religion tells you hate?' Mine opinion is: the MUSLIMS.

Really, they are so hateful. I live in a Christian country, but here are much Muslims. Really, maybe you don't believe me, but they are saying on radio: (it was an Muslim leader, or certain thing) 'we can't mix us with the Christians or Jews. That's not good', and certain things they said in a Christian country. Here are Muslims schools. Have you ever heard from Christian school in Turkey? In Turkey there were very beautiful churches, Armenian of course! But 30 years ago, anybody has told it to me, the Turkish has forbidden going to there. And the beautiful church becomes a ruin. Is that good? No! And what here in Europe? The Muslims becomes the biggest religion!

 

Ok, Dragon, I don't understand Armenians (That found I really as a pity, and I will learn it so soon as possible. Only Hissus, because mine father is always talking about Hisus (God).

 

But btw, I had never most write this article!

I don't say about myself that I'm a good Christian, but I try to do what's written in bible. And when I do a sign, a big or little sign, yes they are difference, I will make it as soon as possible in order.

I believe that you can become free from all the signs. Maybe you're all thinking: this girl is really crazy! Jesus was the first person who had made it possible to become free from the signs. He was free when he was 33.

 

Ok, that was what I want to say. Maybe I will write more. But now I'm tired and I don't think that you are waiting on me!!!With more of such things!!

 

Ok, greetings from me!

[1Ruzanna9]

God did create everything in life, but he also says not everything is good for you..

[Violinist_KD5FEG]

A real Christian is someone who believes the Bible and has faith in the sacrifice of Jesus Christ which is the only thing that can save you. Good works can not save anybody. Go to the topic here on Armenian Evangelicals to learn more about it. that is a really good article.

[nellie]

Hi TigrannesIII,
At this point into this discussion I would like to thank you for taking some frustration out of me and clarifying to everybody that drinking is not a sin, only drundenness is. thank you.

[nellie]

This is an extremely interesting topic, but one that unfortunately has no clear-cut answer. Why do we have religion? (I think this was one of the topics posed by one of you, maybe MJ). We have religion because a lot of people need it. Religion, THE BIBLE, is here because most sould would be lost without it. i don't believe the Bible is the absolute word of God. thousands of years ago, when manking was becoming corrupt, the people running governments and the Church needed something had to be done to keep people in check; thus the appearance of the Bible. is this a bad thing? Definately not. the Bible paves a path, a healthy lifestyle, which people can follow, and which undoubtedly willl save many people. but should the words of the Bible be taken word-for-word, we would have to sit home all day and do almost nothing but love one another and pray to God, and I agree that by these standards, none of us would be true Christians.

[nellie]

I go to Church, just like many of you, about two or three times a year, Christmas, Easter, etc. I don't follow everything in the Bible, I don't even really believe the truthfulness of the Bible, and I definately disagree with some preachings of the Bible. Do I still consider myself a religious person, especially a Christian. I definately do. to me being a Christian is being true to myself, loving and caring for my family and friends, (and yes sometimes even strangers). To me religion is a set of values, morals, which i set for myself and follow. I love the Lord because he loves me. God gave us a beautiful world filled beautiful things, the only way we can take advantage of the beauty the world and God have to offer is to experience everything. Sometimes, or often I should say, try new things hands us some trouble, but those that are wise realize their problems, and learn from them. I have a set of morals that are unbreakable, this is what makes me Christian.

[aurguplu]

armeniangirl83,

i am a turk from turkey and a (nominal) muslim. islam does not tell you to hate, but like every religion, it can be "twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools" (quoted from kipling.

as for christian churches and religious schools in turkey, those that survived the horrors of wwi are mostly open (with the exception of the heybeliada religious school of the greeks, but that is tied to the turkish-greek conflict rather than islam). churches in turkey function, and have their bells ringing on sundays (i was born and raised in the vicinity of and armenian church).

it is easier to hate than to love, but that is human nature. religion itself plays a secondary part in it. ignorance of "the other" plays a greater one.

regards,