Armen Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 I mean there is no "sacred book" in Atheism, any kind of preachings or institutions. style_images/master/snapback.png This is because the "scared book" of Atheism is being written and its institutions evolve right now as we speak. A preacher of Atheism? Consider Ara Baliozian for example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nakharar Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 This is because the "scared book" of Atheism is being written and its institutions evolve right now as we speak. A preacher of Atheism? Consider Ara Baliozian for example. style_images/master/snapback.png I was just going to write that Atheism is just a non-belief in God and not a school of philosophy but you proved me wrong again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 Any religion has to be aggressive otherwise why would anyone adopt it? If the religion made sense, it would not be religion but be logic, principle, ideal, etc and wouldn't have to be forced. To me, a religion is a forced belief and therefore aggressive by its nature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nakharar Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 Any religion has to be aggressive otherwise why would anyone adopt it? If the religion made sense, it would not be religion but be logic, principle, ideal, etc and wouldn't have to be forced. To me, a religion is a forced belief and therefore aggressive by its nature. style_images/master/snapback.png Exactly. But logic, principle and ideals are also very subjective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 Exactly. But logic, principle and ideals are also very subjective. style_images/master/snapback.png And therefore, "atheism" also preaches (endless) dialogue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 And therefore, "atheism" also preaches (endless) dialogue. style_images/master/snapback.png That's what every religion does until it gets hijacked. Same happens with atheism now. The Nobel Prize is a very good example of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nakharar Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 (edited) And therefore, "atheism" also preaches (endless) dialogue. style_images/master/snapback.png Are you refering to Ara? His is more of a monologue. Edited January 5, 2005 by Nakharar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 Religion is a tool to find out who is who? If someone is EXTRIM tsayrahegh moslem I already know that he is an "asshole"! Now, calm down! I don't think that a reasonable man would follow the Quran! Same goes for fanatic "Christians" that try to "convert" left and right to their brand of Christianity. Atheists are cool, but the problem with them is that they lack moral guidence. They may be honest, good, etc., but people without moral code scare me. (a little) The best way is if you all become Gamavors! Gamavor - edit By MOsJAn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nakharar Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 Atheists are cool, but the problem with them is that they lack moral guidence. They may be honest, good, etc., but people without moral code scare me. (a little) style_images/master/snapback.png That doesn't make sense. You are contradicting yourself here. Where are they going to get their moral guidance? Don't we get these from our parents, kindergarten, society at large? You don't need to believe in a metaphysical entity to have morals. Who said atheists don't have a moral code? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 (edited) That doesn't make sense. You are contradicting yourself here. Where are they going to get their moral guidance? Don't we get these from our parents, kindergarten, society at large? You don't need to believe in a metaphysical entity to have morals. Who said atheists don't have a moral code? style_images/master/snapback.png Disagree! An ideal moral atheist most likely will behave in accordance with some societal moral standards, i.e. law obeying, good natured etc. However, in a different society, an atheist would more likely adopt his behavior and will 'swim' with the flow, because that would be the imperative of this new or different society, which not necessarily would be morally better or acceptable by the standards of the first society. In one word, an atheist is an opportunistic creature... which afterall may not be that bad! Edit: Read adopt as adapt! Thank you! Edited January 5, 2005 by gamavor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 Religion is a tool to find out who is who? If someone says that he is moslem I already know that he is an asshole! style_images/master/snapback.png Gamavor, Moslem world had its blossom once, had some amazing thinkers, phylosophers, scientists. I would realy like to visit Egypt for example. Don't know. I like all the cultures. Can you imagine if Moslem world was not there. It would be realy boring in the Middle East. There would never be 1001 nights, Aladin, Arab cusine, beautiful Arabic architecture, Arab classic music, Laurence of Arabia and lot of other exciting things. I know you're joking BTW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 Armen, you missed the most cherished by me Arabic feature...Belly Dancing!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 Armen, you missed the most cherished by me Arabic feature...Belly Dancing!!! style_images/master/snapback.png I left it for you to guess bud. Your radar works fine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 Are you refering to Ara? His is more of a monologue. style_images/master/snapback.png You have the right not to read him! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 You have the right not to read him! style_images/master/snapback.png Yes, and you have the right not to agree with Wall Street driven US invasions (the atheist crusades). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 Exactly! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 You're basically saying that imperialism and terrorism are OK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 What? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted January 6, 2005 Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 Guys please, atheism is not a religion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted January 6, 2005 Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 Guys please, atheism is not a religion style_images/master/snapback.png One can't prove God doesn't exist. So in order to believe God doesn't exist one just has to believe ... and that, sounds like a religion to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted January 6, 2005 Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 Oh no Sip, not you too Since when believing in something means being religious? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted January 6, 2005 Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 Just believing in something is not religion. Believing in something without a fundamentally sound way of believing in something is however. For example, I believe if I throw a ball in the air, it will land back on earth. That is not religion. It is a system of belief arrived at using the scientific method. I also believe that if I cut my arm off, it will hurt. It is not something I have experienced before but I have arrived at that conclusion based on fundamentally sound ways to reason about what would happen if I cut my arm off. However, someone saying "God doesn't exist" (or the opposite "God exists") is rather arbitrary and either requires faith or just a blind belief in that statement. No one can prove or disprove the existence of God and therefore taking either stance constitutes a religion (a system of thought). Being agnostic though is not a religion. It's being reasonable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted January 6, 2005 Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 Just believing in something is not religion. Believing in something without a fundamentally sound way of believing in something is however. style_images/master/snapback.png Well, you can't say that atheism is a religion because of this. Most atheists say that the God they don't believe in is the all-knowing, all-powerful, all-present, traditional God. Because of logic and ideal they conclude that such God does not exist. However, many atheists are known to be spirituals and they believe that something is out there, something that we can't have any knowledge about. Atheists are not ignorant. Every atheist is different. One cannot generalize about atheists and state that atheism is a religion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted January 6, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 You're basically saying that imperialism and terrorism are OK. style_images/master/snapback.png nay ISM is not OK not even the terrorism Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted January 6, 2005 Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 I clearly don't regard Atheism as a religion and the point of this thread was to discuss religion. I mean there is no "sacred book" in Atheism, any kind of preachings or institutions. Please also note that communism does not necessarily mean atheism, there are atheists in France or USA but they don't belong to the communist party. I hope this made sense. style_images/master/snapback.png What is the Budhists sacred book? Athiesm is a religion. It believes the non-existance of a god/gos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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