takavor Posted February 12, 2003 Report Share Posted February 12, 2003 Dustin Hoffman has become the latest US star to voice his opposition to war with Iraq. Hoffman accused the Bush administration of "manipulating the grief of the country" after the events of September 11. The president's real motives for going to war are power and oil, he said. He spoke out after receiving a lifetime achievement accolade at the Empire Film Awards in London. "For me as an American, the most painful aspect of this is that I believe that administration has taken the events of 9/11 and has manipulated the grief of the country and I think that's reprehensible," he said. "I don't think, like many of us, that the reasons we have been given for going to war are the honest reasons. "If they are saying it's about the fact they have biological weapons and might have nuclear weapons and that gives us the liberty to pre-empt and strike because we think they might hit us, then what prevents Pakistan from attacking India, what prevents India from attacking Pakistan, what prevents us from going into North Korea? "I believe - though I may wrong because I am no expert - that this war is about what most wars are about: hegemony, money, power and oil".Hoffman pointed out that the US had once funded Saddam Hussein's regime even as he killed tens of thousands of Kurds. He added that he believed all politicians were incapable of telling the truth. "If I was asked what is the most important aspect of being a politician, I would say getting re-elected. And when that's the goal, then all bets are off with the truth". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted February 12, 2003 Report Share Posted February 12, 2003 Did anyone ask Mr. Hoffman(who must be a great statesman on his free time) why the US is not going in to war against Venezuela since they too have plenty of oil and they too have closes their oil to everyone for the last 2-3 months. He must know the answer to that as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
takavor Posted February 12, 2003 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2003 I've been to Venezuela, I know Venezuela, and I can tell you that the resources are one way or the other ALREADY controlled by America. I can tell you there are THOUSANDS of American workers in the oil production business there.So as in Koweit, and Saudi Arabia. There aren't any in Iraq. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted February 12, 2003 Report Share Posted February 12, 2003 So what you are saying is that America controls 3 of the major players in OPEC(Saudi Arabia, Venezuela and Kuwait) and they just want to take over Iraq as well so they would control practically all the oil in the world? wow, see you learn something new everyday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted February 13, 2003 Report Share Posted February 13, 2003 I am just a bit curious to know where all these "anti-war" people were when Sadam was burning village after village with chemical weapons during the Iran war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted February 13, 2003 Report Share Posted February 13, 2003 quote:Originally posted by Sip:I am just a bit curious to know where all these "anti-war" people were when Sadam was burning village after village with chemical weapons during the Iran war.Can't answer that one. The "pro-war" folks were supplying Saddam however... [ February 12, 2003, 09:11 PM: Message edited by: THOTH ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
takavor Posted February 13, 2003 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2003 quote:Originally posted by Azat:So what you are saying is that America controls 3 of the major players in OPEC(Saudi Arabia, Venezuela and Kuwait) and they just want to take over Iraq as well so they would control practically all the oil in the world? wow, see you learn something new everyday.That's exactly what I'm saying. You learn fast. PS: By the way, have ever been to Angola? I have, too. It has large oil resources, offshore. And, I can testify here, that the situation is exactly the same, there too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted February 13, 2003 Report Share Posted February 13, 2003 Takavor, this is very enlightening. Would you think that Russians are in danger in the future of Americans. You know after Iraq US probably will attack Russia as well since they too have a huge oil reserve and are not American control. Am I right? Takavor, I am not as fast learner as you may think. I still am having a hard time understanding why we are not getting oil out of Venezuela for the last 3 months. You said that we run the shop there. Right? Why is it that we stopped the oil from being produced. Is it because we Americans are stupid and we enjoy high prices on oil and we(government) enjoy punishing our own people with the high oil prices? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubo Posted February 13, 2003 Report Share Posted February 13, 2003 There can be more then one reason for Iraqi war1. Oil2. Control of the region 3. Future geopolitical objectives4. Easy target for “revenge” for sept. 11 even though most of the terrorists were Saudis.5. Reelection coming up soon… As for the mass weapons of destruction? Hallow reasoning since Sadam if he wanted he could of used real bio warheads on his scuds on Israel during the Gulf war but clearly he is not that stupid knowing well that Israel and US are capable of blowing up Iraq off the map. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
takavor Posted February 13, 2003 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2003 quote:Originally posted by Azat:Takavor, this is very enlightening. Would you think that Russians are in danger in the future of Americans. You know after Iraq US probably will attack Russia as well since they too have a huge oil reserve and are not American control. Am I right?The ultimate goal for Armericans and British is China, not Russia. British have tried to conquer Afghanistan since they got India. They never succeeded, but, eventually, with the Americans coalition, they made it in 2002. Central Asia will become their new base to tackle China. History, shows that Western powers have always wanted China. French used Indochina and Vietnam as way to get to China. Americans tried with Korea. British set up the opium trafficking, that lead to the famous opium war, and the loss of Hong-Kong, by China. Portugese got Macao. French got ShangHai. Everone wanted a piece. And, they still do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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