Erdogan on PBS

[Z'areh]

Erdogan will be a guest on Charlie Rose on Tuesday Dec. 8

 

Rose had treated Erdogan with kindness, on the verge of looking stupid (Rose, that is) and I would guess it would not be different this time. We should flood the website with comments, or even warn Charlie Rose not to play into Erdogan''s hands.

 

 

http://www.charlierose.com/

[Arpa]

Did anyone see it?

I pooped out, as Charlie comes way past my bedtime.

Was anything of interest to us said? Did they both dodge the “Armenian/ermeni and the G ” words?

Or was it mainly about ankara and telaviv ?

Who said “pox on both of their houses” ?

Also known as ;

Pox on Both Your Houses - What does POBYH stand for?

Ok, Ok, I found who had said it first. It was Old Billy(Not Saroyan but Shekespeare) in Romeo and Juliet-

"A plague on both your houses"

Often quoted as "A pox on both your houses."

This is a famous quote from Romeo and Juliet. As Mercutio dies, he utters this phrase three times, cursing the families whose rivalry led to his death. The phrase is commonly applied to criticize warring factions whose rivalry brings ruin to others.

In the Marash culture there is a curse that goes- ”Babenik(hanes)-պապենիկ հանես”. Some go even further “babenik yev mamenik “ I never uderstood it until an old Marashtsi said, even though she does not know but it is supposed to some kind of horrible disease with sores all over. AAAHH!! “Bubonic[/b} (plague)”!!!

[Zartonk]

In the Marash culture there is a curse that goes- ”Babenik(hanes)-պապենիկ հանես”. Some go even further “babenik yev mamenik “ I never uderstood it until an old Marashtsi said, even though she does not know but it is supposed to some kind of horrible disease with sores all over. AAAHH!! “Bubonic[/b} (plague)”!!!

 

Interesting. Bubonic> papenik/պապենիկ, erroneously linked with father, hence the folk etymology mamenik/մամենիկ>mother.

[Z'areh]

Did anyone see it?

I pooped out, as Charlie comes way past my bedtime.

Was anything of interest to us said? Did they both dodge the “Armenian/ermeni and the G ” words?

Or was it mainly about ankara and telaviv ?

 

 

It was quite interesting. Charlie Rose was more forceful this time and asked god questions. And it was not about Tel Aviv but very diverse topics including Armenian Genocide.

 

Arpa jan, if you want to see the interview go to charlierose.com and type "erdogan" in the search box, the interview will pop up. But I'll paste below the text about the Armenian segment.

 

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RECEP TAYYIP ERDOGAN: In Van -- in the city of Van, to the east of Turkey, there is a lake

called the Van Lake, and there is an island in the lake, and there is an

Armenian church there which was in very bad condition, and we used treasury

money to restore the Armenian church. And we have always been very

supportive of these actions and activities.

 

CHARLIE ROSE: Speaking of the Armenian church and that, there is now

an agreement between Turkey and Armenia. What is necessary in order to --

what more evidence does history need with respect to the genocide?

 

RECEP TAYYIP ERDOGAN: Let me first of all say that you say of

genocide, speak of genocide. I would be sorry to hear you say that. I can

say very clearly that we do not accept genocide. This is completely a lie.

 

I invite people to prove it. I wrote a letter in 2005, and I said

that this is not up to politicians. It is up to historians to look into

this. We have opened our archives. We have all the documents there. And

in our archives more than one million documents were already looked at.

Today it’s even more than that. And we have opened the archives of the

military.

 

And I asked the Armenian side to open their archives and let third

countries have documents. We made a call for that too so that people could

look into all of these documents and we could all decide and see what’s

going on.

 

But it’s -- this is not about lobbying and going to politicians and

asking them to take certain decisions. This is not really the way to go.

Something like this is really not possible, and there is no truth to it.

 

CHARLIE ROSE: Did President Obama bring it up with you? Has he

discussed it with you?

 

RECEP TAYYIP ERDOGAN: I have spoken with him, yes. Of course, this

most recent normalization process between Turkey and Armenia was important.

This was the context in which we discussed these issues.

 

And let me say to the normalization process. It was Turkey that

initiated the normalization process. It was Turkey that took upon itself

the risk.

 

We believe in ourselves. What we would like to see is for this

normalization process to go forward. And in that it’s important that we go

into that and the Karavak issue between Azerbaijan and Armenia be resolved.

There is an occupation. We have to solve that problem.

 

There are three countries involved -- United States, the Russian

Federation, and France. The Minsk (ph) group, why hasn’t it solved the

problem in the last 20 years? The problem has to be solved.

 

And once that problem is solved then that region will be a region of

peace. Why? Because once the problem between Azerbaijan and Armenia is

solved, that hatred is going to dissipate. There is the decision of the

United Nations Security Council which will be implemented. And the

problems between Turkey and Armenia will definitely be resolved. I believe

in it.

 

But at the moment, you have the U.S. Congress here, and the U.S.

Congress doesn’t have direct relations with our region. We are there in

that region. We have direct relations. We have direct issues. And it’s

the Turkish parliament who has to make a decision on this agreement between

Turkey and Armenia. They have to approve it.

 

And of course, the Turkish parliament too is very sensitive about this

issue. And if the positive developments that we would like to see do not

come about, then I do not believe that our parliament will have a positive

result as a result of its deliberations. We will have a secret ballot, but

I don’t believe that without any other positive developments there will be

a positive outcome.

[Nané]

It was Turkey that initiated the normalization process. It was Turkey that took upon itself

the risk.

 

 

What risk is he talking about? That Armenians are going to rush in and take over Turkey?

Edited December 11, 2009 by Nané

[Yervant1]

What risk is he talking about? That Armenians are going to rush in and take over Turkey?

The whole interview is full of lies, same old crap on a different day. Too bad that the US interests doesn't allow the reporters to challange his lies.

 

He is still in 2005 talking about his stupid letter to Kocharyan which was answered and done with. The whole world knows about their lie but too cowardly to point out.

 

Now they are (Turkey) in a jam, because they have been told that the Artsakh and border issue is not connected,

 

Dr. Gordon says ratification shouldn’t depend on preconditions and other issues

Turkish HurriyetDaily referred to Assistant Secretary of the Bureau of European and Eurasian Affairs Philip Gordon’s statements made after Obama-Erdogan meeting. Gordon emphasized three significant issues for turkey. 1. The first is that Turkey wishes to take mediator’s role between Iran and the west. We said we support that sort of mediation; we want them to help as it’s necessary for Iran to understand the messages released by the international community. 2. I’m not going to refer to the White House talks over sending Turkish troops to Afghanistan. In fact, Turkey has significant role in Afghan issue and our relations with Turkey related to that very topic are perfect. 3. We hail the normalization of Armenian-Turkish ties and the protocols also. We also hail resolution of Nagorno-Karabakh conflict. But, in fact, they are separate processes, and if there’s successful development in both of them, then a historic development will be recorded. The protocols should be ratified within reasonable timeframe. We’d like both governments to ratify them as soon as possible. The ratification should be without any preconditions and it should not be linked with other issues. President Obama told that to Erdogan. We are ready to support each side.

Source: Panorama.am

 

Either Turkey opens the border without preconditions or face the consequences because it will hurt the Wests interests with energy routes. The west knows very well that Artsakh is out of question and they accepted that outcome.

[Arpa]

Thank you Zareh, I had already seen the interview, but my question was kind of provocative , a conversation piece, just as our house G-ologists are in a comatose stupor and our proctologists have shut up their lower aperture.

It was quite interesting. Charlie Rose was more forceful this time and asked god questions. And it was not about Tel Aviv but very diverse topics including Armenian Genocide.

 

Arpa jan, if you want to see the interview go to charlierose.com and type "erdogan" in the search box, the interview will pop up. But I'll paste below the text about the Armenian segment.

 

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RECEP TAYYIP ERDOGAN: In Van -- in the city of Van, to the east of Turkey, there is a lake

called the Van Lake, and there is an island in the lake, and there is an

Armenian church there which was in very bad condition, and we used treasury

money to restore the Armenian church. And we have always been very

supportive of these actions and activities.

So, he recited the A word? Did not his tongue dry u, his teeth fall out? Remember those days when there was no, there never was such an "animal known as ermeni", they were known as gavurs. (as avered by their pseudo-historian, pseudo-archeologists, "an exotically exotic prople"? So, that thing on Lake Van is an “Armenian church”, not a museum, not a “christian furkish** church“? How about the lake? Is that a furkish lake too? (Remember that B and V are interchangeable as in the Urartuan Biainili to Van) Is that Mountain Aghory Ler**** , aka Ararat/Masis an Armenian Mountain? Will that erbokhans mouth go out of shape when he calls that Mountain AGHORI LER***? And above all. How about that sacred city of 1001 churches***? Is that built by “christian furks”** as well?

** Here is another provocation. That term is not an altogether idle talk. There was a time, not that long ago either when we could have aptly described as “christian furks” as we spoke, furkish, sang furkish, ate and drank furkish, even breathed furkish except at church where the service was conducted in this “funny language” that very few of us understood. Shoot me if you wish, slap my mouth. Were it not for that “great calamity/Mets Yeghern” , today I would be writing this note in furkish. That is not to say that some of us don’t regardless!!

***The history of the City of Kars (Կարուց Քաղաք) as well as the River Kars, originally known as the western (right) tributary(arm) of Akhourian is another story worth looking into. Remember that in that damn non-language there is not the sound of “ts/Ց” as in ՑՈՐԵՆ, it turns into S or as DZ/Ծ turns to Z as in “Zapik, zapik zirani, Ghrm@z khnzor k@ nmani“. “khnz@r= the Arabic word for “pig”. Off topic, How many of us recite that nursery rhyme as “Կարմիր խնձոր կը ԼՄԱՆԻ” instead of կը “ՆՄԱՆԻ”

**** How about us? Will our mouths bend out of shape, make our teeth to fall out if we call that other Sacred Mountain “Musa(neri) LER” instead of that damn “dagh” word?

Edited December 12, 2009 by Arpa

[Arpa]

The whole interview is full of lies, same old crap on a different day. Too bad that the US interests doesn't allow the reporters to challange his lies.

 

He is still in 2005 talking about his stupid letter to Kocharyan which was answered and done with. The whole world knows about their lie but too cowardly to point out.

 

Now they are (Turkey) in a jam, because they have been told that the Artsakh and border issue is not connected,

 

Either Turkey opens the border without preconditions or face the consequences because it will hurt the Wests interests with energy routes. The west knows very well that Artsakh is out of question and they accepted that outcome.

Also not to forget that they have opened their "lily white, bleacehed archives", it is our turn to open our "dirty linen", stained with the blood of "massacred 6 million furks".

Edited December 11, 2009 by Arpa