koko Posted June 27, 2004 Report Share Posted June 27, 2004 (edited) When did I say a Kurdish homeland in Western Armenia? I'm refering to Northern Iraq (primarily) the kurds say its their homeland! and with what youre saying is implaying that it's okey for them to call it their homeland kurdistan , hayastan who cares...anymore...ill just let it be... let by gones be by gones bye-bye hayastan Edited June 27, 2004 by koko Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyelife Posted December 9, 2004 Report Share Posted December 9, 2004 In Georgian, Somekhi var, Kurdi var. meaning... Armenians and Kurds are the same... and for a European Armenian, it is clearly truth... Any of you been to Armenia? the people dont stand in line, the people dont clean up after themselves... The ones that are intelect, are intelect...the ones that arent, are humble, but still, not like the rest. style_images/master/snapback.png The last time I checked Armenians are not European. Armenia is not even in Europe. What is a European Armenian, unless you are referring to an armenian that is born in Europe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyelife Posted December 9, 2004 Report Share Posted December 9, 2004 If you don't think I understand what the Kurds (funny I typed turks at first) did to us - during the Genocide and before (the mention of parasites etc - understood) then you are gravely mistaken. And there is no question that they gleefuly pounced when the oppurtunity was there. Don't you think it hurt me greatly when I saw our lands and towns and villages and there were no Armenians there? I understand and appreciate all of these things...still I cannot blame Kurdish people today who are just people living their lives - and I particualrly cannot feel animosity towards people - who like us (like we were) - are without a homeland to call their own - and who are being repressed. These are just people - and they are people who are really alot like us (even if this is a result of theft or what have you...) - regardless - but that was the past - will these blood fueds just go on forever? Sure I can be bitter about what Kurds have done - much like Turks - though with some differences of course...but even with Turks - do we not rise above and say we do not hold those who live now responsible - that it is their government and those who actively deny - and who continue to hate - that it is these types who deserve our animosity - not those who are ignorant - or in the case of many Kurds today - who relise what was done - and who are shamed and do regret - as many do... I have some Kurdish friends (originally from Iran). And when they talk about their families - what they do togther - and such - well I can't help but see them as very much like us - even if some of this is because of what they assimilated from us. And these are good people - aware people - knowledgable people - who know what was done to the Armenians - very much so...and they now find themselves in a similar plight as we once were in - and to some extent still are (not the same at all of course)...but still they are befrit of nation and at the mercy of others and their culturte is supressed. And I have met other Kurds - here in the states primarily - who always react with compassion and understanding when I tell them I am Armenian - and they view us as brothers. Sure - obviously this was once not at all the case...but when does it stop? Can we hope to survive and prosper if we continue to keep all animosoties alive? Shouldn't we thus hate the Persians, the Russians, the Greeks and just about everyone else we have encountered in our history? Sure - our experience with the Kurds has been most recent - and more directly affecting those of us today...but we cannot hate people just for the sins of their forefathers and shouldn't turn a blind eye to the inequities being experienced by others just because of our past history with them. style_images/master/snapback.png You are very wrong my friend? We as Armenians are allowed to hate all of those that deny. I don't care that they were not apart of what happened, if they deny the Armenian genocide it makes them no different than the ones who did the killings. No, I do not feel anything for what is happening to the Kurds because what goes around comes around and it will eventually come around on the Turks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyelife Posted December 9, 2004 Report Share Posted December 9, 2004 When did I say a Kurdish homeland in Western Armenia? I'm refering to Northern Iraq (primarily).... ...and just because the Kurds have a deficit of good leadership does this mean they should get no consideration? Does the same apply to the Chechens? Look - all I have expressed is my sympathies for these people - regardless of our past history - and I feel for these people who - like us have been without a homeland of our own....I haven't proposed any specific solutions and I know that there are a great many landmines and issues out there... style_images/master/snapback.png Thoth, I think you are forgetting that part of Northern Iraq was Armenian territory also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted December 9, 2004 Report Share Posted December 9, 2004 Yes yes yes, forget Kurdish claims on land all the way up to Yerevan - just claim back, claim back that part of Northern Iraq which was Armenian territory also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 12, 2004 Report Share Posted December 12, 2004 The Armenian province of northern Iraq was held only during late antiquity. That province was called Gordchaik/Gordyene/Korduk (which is most probably a way of saying ''Kurdistan''. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hye88 Posted December 22, 2004 Report Share Posted December 22, 2004 Your racial generalizations are also imposed on me, since I cannot claim to be anything other than the seemingly united ARMENIANS. Therefore, it is my destiny in every which way or form, the interests of both my Armenians, and yours, despite my disliking for them. Teutonic Knight I find it hard to beleive that you would know anything about geneology, and also find it hard for an Eastern Armenian, with an overwhelmingly non-white, non-european, irano-afghan influenced swarthy beings to be part of a white nationalistic group. In either case, the Armenians are not WHITE, therefore there is no way you are white unless you are depigmented in every aspect of the body hair and eyes, ultimately being a Nord. Which I find extremely hard to beleive. Perhaps you might display forms of Caucasian ancestry. Tell me, who are your "white" armenian nationlist friends? Id appreciate it if you called my by my proper screen-name, Deudonic Gnight. style_images/master/snapback.png Anyone else think this guys a dumbass? Of course Armenians are white, we are one of the oldest surviving members of the Indo-European family or "white" family if you like, and Armenians have no afghan blood in them, where did you get that moronic assupmtion? Also lets not split up into eastern or western armenian, that's bull. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted December 22, 2004 Report Share Posted December 22, 2004 Hye88, firstly, welcome to Hyeforum Second, I totally agree with the last part of your post, however and Thirdly, If we want our fellow members get our message, and I like to bring your attention to the first part of your post, NO offensive language please Thanks PS. there is an edit button available for everyone; I hope you'll find it useful Thanks Edward Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anonymouse Posted December 23, 2004 Report Share Posted December 23, 2004 Anyone else think this guys a dumbass? Of course Armenians are white, we are one of the oldest surviving members of the Indo-European family or "white" family if you like, and Armenians have no afghan blood in them, where did you get that moronic assupmtion? Also lets not split up into eastern or western armenian, that's bull. style_images/master/snapback.png I happen to think so as well. Do I get an apple pie? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyelife Posted December 27, 2004 Report Share Posted December 27, 2004 Anyone else think this guys a dumbass? Of course Armenians are white, we are one of the oldest surviving members of the Indo-European family or "white" family if you like, and Armenians have no afghan blood in them, where did you get that moronic assupmtion? Also lets not split up into eastern or western armenian, that's bull. style_images/master/snapback.png I agree he is a dumbAss. The whole middleEast is labeled as white, so I don't even know what this idiot is talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted December 27, 2004 Report Share Posted December 27, 2004 I agree he is a dumbAss. The whole middleEast is labeled as white, so I don't even know what this idiot is talking about. style_images/master/snapback.png Since when Armenia is in Middle East? Armenian is in Asia Minor! And second your statement of “the whole middle east is white” shows you need farther study of the region, And one more think, control your offensive remarks to fellow members in this forum please Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyelife Posted December 28, 2004 Report Share Posted December 28, 2004 Since when Armenia is in Middle East? Armenian is in Asia Minor! And second your statement of “the whole middle east is white” shows you need farther study of the region, And one more think, control your offensive remarks to fellow members in this forum please style_images/master/snapback.png You are right. Armenia is in the Middle East and therefore is in Asia Minor. I should have clarified the part about the Middle East being "white". What I meant by this is that the United States labels us "Middle Eastern" people as being white. I'm not sure if you are from the United States, but every form that Middle Eastern people have to fill out, they either have to mark "white" or "other" if that option is available. I personally have not seen any type of form to have an option of "Middle Eastern". Let me know if that is different from where you live or if you disagree with anything I said. Take care Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Med Posted January 3, 2005 Report Share Posted January 3, 2005 The Armenian province of northern Iraq was held only during late antiquity. That province was called Gordchaik/Gordyene/Korduk (which is most probably a way of saying ''Kurdistan''. style_images/master/snapback.png This is interesting. Could you please elaborate on this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 3, 2005 Report Share Posted January 3, 2005 There were many independent Armenoid kingdoms around Armenia, such as Sophene, Adiabene, Commagene, Gordyene, etc. Gordyene is called ''Beth Qardu'' in Assyrian sources and ''Kordchaik'' in Armenian sources. It is considered as one of the 10 ancient Armenian provinces. It is equal to modern Hakkari province in Turkey. Kurdish sources claim that the inhabitants of Gordyene were ethnically distinct from the surrounding nations, but I'd doubt that. I'd think they were a mix of Armenians, Assyrians and also Persians. When Islam came around, Armenians and Assyrians from certain regions were converted and bacame Kurrds alongside the Gordyenians. I don't really know how the Kurdish language came into being... Does it look like Farsi or Assyrian? I see that you are Kurdish... What do you and other Kurds think about Armenians? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Med Posted January 3, 2005 Report Share Posted January 3, 2005 Thanks for the information. I'm impressed by the quick reply. I guess you are right. There are many groups which have assimilated into the culturally more dominant ones. I know that the Commagenes became nominal Greeks in the end both culturally and linguistically but who knows what their origins were. Or the Anatolian Language group of the Hittites, Akkadian, Luwian, Palaic, Lydian and Lycians. They became hellenized over the years. I've heared that many of the semitic peoples became Arabs when Islam spread in the region. I'm not that knowledgeable in these things. Kurdish is related to Farsi, but I don't really speak the language. I can't speak for all Kurds, but most are probably neutral to Armenians. Maybe that's because they don't have an opinion or knowledge about them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted January 4, 2005 Report Share Posted January 4, 2005 Kurdish is related to Farsi, but I don't really speak the language. I can't speak for all Kurds, but most are probably neutral to Armenians. Maybe that's because they don't have an opinion or knowledge about them. style_images/master/snapback.png Depends on where the said come from. If from Turkey, and from the East, at that, a Kurd may take the time to explain that when asking if a foreigner were Armenian (probably searching for his grand-daddy's gold in the ruins of some house or church), and the answer were negative, he didn't mean it to be insulting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted January 4, 2005 Report Share Posted January 4, 2005 Depends on where the said come from. If from Turkey, and from the East, at that, a Kurd may take the time to explain that when asking if a foreigner were Armenian (probably searching for his grand-daddy's gold in the ruins of some house or church), and the answer were negative, he didn't mean it to be insulting. style_images/master/snapback.png and your explanation was nothing but insulting giving the fact you singled out only the Kurd from the search! any other "nationality" other then a Kurd may have searched for "daddy's gold"? control your sinical remarks, and remember you are in an Armenian forum dear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted January 4, 2005 Report Share Posted January 4, 2005 and your explanation was nothing but insulting giving the fact you singled out only the Kurd from the search! any other "nationality" other then a Kurd may have searched for "daddy's gold"? control your sinical remarks, and remember you are in an Armenian forum dear style_images/master/snapback.png In Turkey, looking for Armenian gold in the Eastern provinces is a local pass-time, and guess who constitutes the majority there. And I do mean local pass-time, as everyone will suspect every tourist of being a treasure hunter. I have travelled well enough to make my own generalisations rather than pull them out of nowhere - at least I wait long enough to form my opinions. For example, I can say without reservation that while Greek Cypriots are rabid about their obsession with Turks and Turkish Cypriots, Turkish Cypriots are by and large indifferent even if they voted for union. Singular acts of Turkish individuals towards dialogue with Armenians or Armenians living in Istanbul, or some of the events/things that Munzur described, don't change the larger picture, do they? And just as anyone can make the [accurate] generalisation that in Turkey there is either lack of knowledge about or hostility toward Armenians, I can say for myself that there is nothing positive that Kurds in the Eastern provinces have to say about Armenians, if ever they have anything to say. I have observed only one expression of remorse. At the other end of the spectrum I have witnessed what I described above - someone "elaborating" that he hadn't meant to insult when he asked the other if they were Armenian, accompanied by the "estaghfirullah"... It struck me sick as it sounded like "I didn't mean to call you a dog." So that is what they think while they dig up every Armenian grave in Armenian graveyards and scatter their remains all over the place to bleach under the sun like they strip everything bare. 60 Armenians in Van "living in peace with Kurds" doesn't change the basic facts. So all this talk about Turks being hostile toward Armenians and Kurds being good bros to Armenians is flat-out bullocks spewed out by Kurdish lobbyists in Europe, further perpetuated by "friends," and willingly gobbled up by the vigilantes. I have insulted no-one. If anything, there are those that take pleasure in insulting other people's intelligence, the latter willing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Med Posted January 4, 2005 Report Share Posted January 4, 2005 I assume you are Turkish. Tabii eğer Türksen. I live in Switzerland but I'm in Turkey right at the moment visiting my family. I agree, exceptions do not make the rule. Individual acts are just that, nothing more. Please do not make it a Turkish/Kurdish thing. It isn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted January 4, 2005 Report Share Posted January 4, 2005 Please do not make it a Turkish/Kurdish thing. It isn't. style_images/master/snapback.png I haven't, and I'm speaking out against those that do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Med Posted January 4, 2005 Report Share Posted January 4, 2005 You can always ignore them. I'm not one of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 (probably searching for his grand-daddy's gold in the ruins of some house or church) style_images/master/snapback.png So you, a Turk, is basically accusing Armenians of being this lazy, sinical people who search for their grand-parents gold in churches. Your country has probably the best geographical location, historical and economic luck out of all countries in the world. And still you didn't manage to advance even 1 step without US or EU. Still you're one of the poorest countries knocking EU's door to get a piece of bread. You cannot create anything, you just consume like parazites. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 So you, a Turk, is basically accusing Armenians of being this lazy, sinical people who search for their grand-parents gold in churches. style_images/master/snapback.png What is wrong with you people? I said Kurds in the East (and Turks in central Anatolia) search for gold in cemeteries and churches and suspect tourists of being ethnic Armenians from Europe, coming to dig out their grandparents' gold which they buried when "leaving." Where have I accused Armenians of being lazy?? Missing a few screws?? I haven't so much as implied anything there! If anything, lazy are those whose pass-time is treasure-hunting! You can't even read, simply take a phrase out of context, so don't tell me about parasites and laziness, because I have a lot to say there! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 What is wrong with you people? I said Kurds in the East (and Turks in central Anatolia) search for gold in cemeteries and churches and suspect tourists of being ethnic Armenians from Europe, coming to dig out their grandparents' gold which they buried when "leaving." Where have I accused Armenians of being lazy?? Missing a few screws?? I haven't so much as implied anything there! If anything, lazy are those whose pass-time is treasure-hunting! You can't even read, simply take a phrase out of context, so don't tell me about parasites and laziness, because I have a lot to say there! style_images/master/snapback.png I love it when you're detailed and elaborate and I wanted to make sure you never lose that quality because it adds special style to your posts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 That's right, hide your head in the sand, when I deserve apologies from at least two forum members for being misquoted and accused of things I haven't said. <_< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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