Yervant1 Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 Il tell you a story yervant Jan, king of the Bearia Aroun ou Badiv old friend Eire I knew from the beginning that it was you!!!!!! Eire Jan, your heart is in the right place, but you are not able to articulate well what you are trying to say. You have some valid points but in turn you are also bringing your own baggage which complicates the issue and hence brings opposition to what you are saying. Yes we are humans just like other races, we do get attached to the places that we are born or raised and made a life for ourselves in those countries but of course it shouldn't be at the cost of hating our own homeland or put it down because of this or that reason. we got in touch with Armenians from the homeland recently after the independence and they got in touch with us. It will take some time for both sides to influence each other and get to know one and establish confidence and relatioships, in time things will change so will the thinking. Good day my Prince. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eire Posted July 20, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 I knew from the beginning that it was you!!!!!! Eire Jan, your heart is in the right place, but you are not able to articulate well what you are trying to say. You have some valid points but in turn you are also bringing your own baggage which complicates the issue and hence brings opposition to what you are saying. Yes we are humans just like other races, we do get attached to the places that we are born or raised and made a life for ourselves in those countries but of course it shouldn't be at the cost of hating our own homeland or put it down because of this or that reason. we got in touch with Armenians from the homeland recently after the independence and they got in touch with us. It will take some time for both sides to influence each other and get to know one and establish confidence and relatioships, in time things will change so will the thinking. Good day my Prince. When you see the things happen to the people Iv grown up with, all because they hang out with Arabs or Blacks. You should see the crime, the drugs. We cant let this happen to Armenia. Most have lost faith in their own people. All they care about is their money and their cars. Nothing else matters. We live forever through the things we accomplish. Let our people live forever. Aroun ou Badiv Eire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 Movses Jan I am catholic... not a pagan haha. I said I would accept armenian pagans because it is a part of our heritage. As for muslims. I suggest you go on www.thereligionofpeace.com and see for yourself. Everywhere a muslim community settles, they are followed by heavy problems, simply because they do not integrate. Talk to me about Artsakh. Iv been to Stepanakert and Shushi. Remember who we were fighting with, true, but also remember who we were fighting against, and who came to their muslims "brothers" aide. These middle eastern ideas are foreign and they are not a part of who we are. If to you, wanting a multicultural experiment in armenia is your idea of a bright future then you are as short-sighted as your leftist counterparts. Aroun ou Badiv Eire "I said I would accept armenian pagans because it is a part of our heritage. " but you can't accept HAmshnaHayas ?? i will repeat one more time for you / not accepting an Armenia for it's religion or political orientation is WRONG !!! "Talk to me about Artsakh. Iv been to Stepanakert and Shushi...... but also remember who we were fighting against, and who came to their muslims "brothers" aide" you have been in Artsax so has the azeri ambassador of azerbaijan and haw many Hamshna Armenians did you see helping azeris ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yervant1 Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 When you see the things happen to the people Iv grown up with, all because they hang out with Arabs or Blacks. You should see the crime, the drugs. We cant let this happen to Armenia. Most have lost faith in their own people. All they care about is their money and their cars. Nothing else matters. We live forever through the things we accomplish. Let our people live forever. Aroun ou Badiv Eire Crime and drugs is not limited to certain countries only. Not all Arabs are criminals, neither Blacks or any other race so blaming them for our youth's failures is misguided and outright wrong. the blame lies with the individuals who choose that lifestyle. Armenians are not any better or worse when it comes to the love of materials, it's a human disease. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiner Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 A few conclusions: Armenians in the US can never forget why we are here in the first place: economic opportunity. Any massive socialist policies should be treated with skepticism because they are a threat to this. And the most socialist candidate should not be our candidate. We in the US, can never get excited over some candidate promising to "recognize the genocide". This is BULL. Just my thoughts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hosank Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 i'm not touching this one with a 10 foot pole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eire Posted July 21, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 "I said I would accept armenian pagans because it is a part of our heritage. " but you can't accept HAmshnaHayas ?? i will repeat one more time for you / not accepting an Armenia for it's religion or political orientation is WRONG !!! "Talk to me about Artsakh. Iv been to Stepanakert and Shushi...... but also remember who we were fighting against, and who came to their muslims "brothers" aide" you have been in Artsax so has the azeri ambassador of azerbaijan and haw many Hamshna Armenians did you see helping azeris ??? Movses Jan It may seem wrong to you but you dont seem to understand. Again. www.thereligionofpeace.com I can show you some more if your still not satisfied. The point is these faiths are foreign to Armenia and so how can you pretend to care for your people if you help bring about their downfall? Persia was the nation that wrote the first declaration of human rights... and then Islam invaded. As for the Hamshens. Its a very touchy subject and my stance on them is still blurry. I mean, yeah their our genetic cousins but... their language is heavily mixed with turkish. Luckily most are christian, true, but alot of them are sunni muslim. They speak A mixture of turkish and Armenian and are muslim = Are they really Armenian? or should we all just start speaking turkish so as to accommodate them? I dunno, its a very touchy subject and I dont know enough about the Hamshens to make any real comment about them. Aroun ou Badiv Eire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eire Posted July 21, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 Crime and drugs is not limited to certain countries only. Not all Arabs are criminals, neither Blacks or any other race so blaming them for our youth's failures is misguided and outright wrong. the blame lies with the individuals who choose that lifestyle. Armenians are not any better or worse when it comes to the love of materials, it's a human disease. Im not going to discuss this here because it is not the place but our youth is falling through the cracks and it hurts. we need to reawaken their pride Aroun ou Badiv Eire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eire Posted July 21, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 A few conclusions: Armenians in the US can never forget why we are here in the first place: economic opportunity. Any massive socialist policies should be treated with skepticism because they are a threat to this. And the most socialist candidate should not be our candidate. We in the US, can never get excited over some candidate promising to "recognize the genocide". This is BULL. Just my thoughts. Well said Shiner It was Obamania all over the Armenian community. Like idiots we all cheered his name, wore his t-shirts and massively supported him. What does that say about us? It shows that we are easily swayed once you promise us something regarding the G-word. Seriously? Are we that naive or do we just enjoy getting screwed over so many times? Our community is dissolving and none of you can see that. Aroun ou Badiv Eire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 Well said Shiner It was Obamania all over the Armenian community. Like idiots we all cheered his name, wore his t-shirts and massively supported him. What does that say about us? It shows that we are easily swayed once you promise us something regarding the G-word. Seriously? Are we that naive or do we just enjoy getting screwed over so many times? Our community is dissolving and none of you can see that. Aroun ou Badiv Eire you assume a lot... have you ever thought that maybe a lot of armenians in the states don't care about the genocide recognition or any of the promises that obama gave about it? and that they supported obama for the same reason that millions of others in the states supported him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 seriously, i have no idea what you're talking about or what you're trying to say... Allow me to explain Harout jan If a majority, if even a large proportion of foreign born and living Armenians support these corrupt institutions, it reflects a dangerous set of ideas that can be transferred to the fatherland. It is a well known fact that the 11th red Army that ended our first republic was aided by Armenians. Also, under the socialist dashnaks, the first republic was an economic failure. im not solely blaming this on dashnagtsoutioun, it was right after genocide and war after all, but the party in power has alot of fault on its shoulders. ok... but this (the fact of having 100 years of socialist republics, the 1st, the 2nd, and even somewhat the 3rd one) goes directly against your earlier assumption that "our values and culture" is conservative... partisan civil wars, like that of the Dashnaks and Hnchags in lebanon, assassination of politicians and so on. is it ever justifiable to draw blood from your brother? ok, seriously, what the hell has this to do with being on the left side of the political spectrum? The point I am trying to make is the left has failed, and we cant let their errors stop us from surviving as a nation, because right now our people are dying. Take a look around you. Our men and women marry arabs and blacks. Our children are on drugs and join gangs. Our people have no more faith or pride. This ends now. Aroun ou Badiv Eire i share your concerns about our youth... but again i have no idea how you came to the conclusion that this is the "left"'s fault... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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