Z'areh Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 So, what is Saakashvili's government up to with the leadership of the Armenian communities in Javakhk? Is this tie-sucking Georgian leader about to go into another failed adventure with the Armenians? Or is it that he has lost all credibility and power within his government that other more fascistic elements are gaining control. Perhaps they think with the Artsakh issue not fully resolved it would be an opportune time to strike at the Armenians of Javakhk? Note to the moderators of Hyeforum: I think it is about time to open a new heading under "Javakhk" in the "Armenia" section of this forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 So, what is Saakashvili's government up to with the leadership of the Armenian communities in Javakhk? Is this tie-sucking Georgian leader about to go into another failed adventure with the Armenians? Or is it that he has lost all credibility and power within his government that other more fascistic elements are gaining control. Perhaps they think with the Artsakh issue not fully resolved it would be an opportune time to strike at the Armenians of Javakhk? Note to the moderators of Hyeforum:I think it is about time to open a new heading under "Javakhk" in the "Armenia" section of this forum . will that be all ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 need some help - if members can post links to topics that are about Javakhk we will reorganize and move them to Javakhk forum also can someone please post the Javakhk History, Thank you In Advance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 need some help - if members can post links to topics that are about Javakhk we will reorganize and move them to Javakhk forum also can someone please post the Javakhk History, Thank you In Advance Good idea! This may be a beginning. I am sure there are more. http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=18893&hl=javakhk Please note that the official name of the eclave is JAVAKHK/ՋԱՎԱԽՔ. Note the K ending denoting plural as there are several subdivisions of the region. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yervant1 Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 So, what is Saakashvili's government up to with the leadership of the Armenian communities in Javakhk? Is this tie-sucking Georgian leader about to go into another failed adventure with the Armenians? Or is it that he has lost all credibility and power within his government that other more fascistic elements are gaining control. Perhaps they think with the Artsakh issue not fully resolved it would be an opportune time to strike at the Armenians of Javakhk? Note to the moderators of Hyeforum: I think it is about time to open a new heading under "Javakhk" in the "Armenia" section of this forum. He knows that Armenia needs Georgia for the transfer of goods and gas, since the only other border open is Iran but not fully developed and it won't help even if it's open with Russian trade. He is assuming that Armenia is not in a position to retaliate but he did miscalculate once before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z'areh Posted January 27, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 will that be all ?? Thanks Mosjan! Unfortunately, (or fortunately, I don't know) I think the Javakhk issue is only going to get heated up and we needed a special place to discuss it . thanks again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 Thanks Mosjan! Unfortunately, (or fortunately, I don't know) I think the Javakhk issue is only going to get heated up and we needed a special place to discuss it . thanks again. your welcome Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 (edited) I’m sure there is more about the history of Javakhk. Not to forget Tumanian's "Tmkaberdi Aroum@". The following article is edited, abridged by me. See the full text here; http://www.armeniapedia.org/index.php?titl...tskhe-Javakheti Javakhk: The “third” Armenia Special to AGBU News Vahan Ishkhanyan Today, 100,000 Armenians live in about 100 settlements in Javakhk, Akhalkalaki and Ninotsminda, an area of 2,600 square kilometers about 50 kilometers north of Armenia and 30 kilometers east of Turkey. In terms of its relative homogeneity, Javakhk—95 percent Armenian—is regarded as the world’s “third” Armenian land after Karabakh and Armenia. To reach Javakhk, you cross the northern border at Ashotsk, Armenia’s “Siberia” and enter the regions of Ninotsminda and Akhalkalaki, the Georgian “Siberia” “There’s been no summer here. Every year they’re saying it will come but it won’t,” says Mels Bdoyan, a Ninotsminda farmer. Locals claim there is only winter and spring here, some 2,000 meters above sea level. The average annual temperature is only 4 degrees Celsius and in winter the mercury on the thermometer dives to minus 25ºC. The dividing line between the sky and the mountains is invisible in the blue of the horizon beyond the Alpine meadows or in spring, in the intermingled darkness of the clouds and the snow-capped mountain heights. Nature has become a source of inspiration here, thanks to which Javakhk has begotten many Armenian writers. In the village of Gandza, Ninotsminda, was born the symbolist poet Vahan Terian whose poems are soaked in images of rain, mist, pallid fields and shapeless shadows deriving from the nature of Javakhk, the home of his childhood and the treasury of his reminiscences. These images became symbols of sadness, hopelessness and peace in the realm of his poetry. The climate is milder in the neighboring low-lying regions, such as Akhaltskha, Aspindza and Tsalka where there is also a minority Armenian population. Fifteen of 45 villages in Akhaltskha are Armenian, for example. Akhalkalaki, Ninotsminda, Akhaltskha, Aspindza and another region populated with Georgians were unified in the 1990s to form a single administrative unit—Samtskhe-Javakheti. According to Armenian social figures, the intention behind this move on the part of the Georgian authorities was to create an administrative union where Armenians would be in a minority. This is a Georgian region with the largest Armenian population, amounting to around 160,000. Javakhk was part of Great Armenia until 387 AD. In 428 it was annexed to Georgia, then under Persian control, and from the 16th to 18th centuries it was part of the Ottoman Empire. After the 1828-29 Russian-Turkish war, Javakhk came under Russian control. In the late 19th and early 20th centuries, tens of thousands of Armenians left (present day) Turkey and settled in Javakhk. They were welcomed by the Russians, who saw the Christian Armenians as a safeguard against migration into Georgia by the Ottoman Turks. The majority of today’s population trace their origins to the emigration from Turkey, mainly from the district of Erzrum. Armenians set up 60 villages and built 50 churches in the regions of Akhaltskha, Akhalkalaki and the adjoining Tsalka. The passport checkpoint is not the only spot marking the beginning of Javakhk. The Georgian side of the asphalt road from Armenia is in a wretched state, full of deep holes all the way to the town of Ninotsminda. The state of the roads is the first sign of the region’s desolation. “Neither Georgia nor Armenia forecasts our weather,” says Ruzan Tepoyan, a teacher of the Tumanian school in Akhalkalaki town. “This is a forgotten land.” Akhalkalaki Akhalkalaki means “new town” in Georgian but the only new construction in recent years has been a couple of gas stations. One rarely hears Georgian or Russian spoken in the muddy and broken streets of this town of 10,000 people (it was 15,000 in Soviet times). The street signs are in Russian, Armenian and Georgian. Business is conducted in four currencies – the Georgian lari, Russian ruble, Armenian dram, and U.S. dollar. Sales people at any store can instantly convert one currency into another and tell you the price of their goods. Edited January 27, 2009 by Arpa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 (edited) I’m sure there is more about the history of Javakhk. Not to forget Tumanian's "Tmkaberdi Aroum@". In Urartian records te region is mentioned as Jabakha/Ջաբախա. The following article is edited, abridged by me. See the full text here; http://www.armeniapedia.org/index.php?titl...tskhe-Javakheti Javakhk: The “third” Armenia Special to AGBU News Vahan Ishkhanyan Today, 100,000 Armenians live in about 100 settlements in Javakhk, Akhalkalaki and Ninotsminda, an area of 2,600 square kilometers about 50 kilometers north of Armenia and 30 kilometers east of Turkey. In terms of its relative homogeneity, Javakhk—95 percent Armenian—is regarded as the world’s “third” Armenian land after Karabakh and Armenia. To reach Javakhk, you cross the northern border at Ashotsk, Armenia’s “Siberia” and enter the regions of Ninotsminda and Akhalkalaki, the Georgian “Siberia” “There’s been no summer here. Every year they’re saying it will come but it won’t,” says Mels Bdoyan, a Ninotsminda farmer. Locals claim there is only winter and spring here, some 2,000 meters above sea level. The average annual temperature is only 4 degrees Celsius and in winter the mercury on the thermometer dives to minus 25ºC. The dividing line between the sky and the mountains is invisible in the blue of the horizon beyond the Alpine meadows or in spring, in the intermingled darkness of the clouds and the snow-capped mountain heights. Nature has become a source of inspiration here, thanks to which Javakhk has begotten many Armenian writers. In the village of Gandza, Ninotsminda, was born the symbolist poet Vahan Terian whose poems are soaked in images of rain, mist, pallid fields and shapeless shadows deriving from the nature of Javakhk, the home of his childhood and the treasury of his reminiscences. These images became symbols of sadness, hopelessness and peace in the realm of his poetry. The climate is milder in the neighboring low-lying regions, such as Akhaltskha, Aspindza and Tsalka where there is also a minority Armenian population. Fifteen of 45 villages in Akhaltskha are Armenian, for example. Akhalkalaki, Ninotsminda, Akhaltskha, Aspindza and another region populated with Georgians were unified in the 1990s to form a single administrative unit—Samtskhe-Javakheti. According to Armenian social figures, the intention behind this move on the part of the Georgian authorities was to create an administrative union where Armenians would be in a minority. This is a Georgian region with the largest Armenian population, amounting to around 160,000. Javakhk was part of Great Armenia until 387 AD. In 428 it was annexed to Georgia, then under Persian control, and from the 16th to 18th centuries it was part of the Ottoman Empire. After the 1828-29 Russian-Turkish war, Javakhk came under Russian control. In the late 19th and early 20th centuries, tens of thousands of Armenians left (present day) Turkey and settled in Javakhk. They were welcomed by the Russians, who saw the Christian Armenians as a safeguard against migration into Georgia by the Ottoman Turks. The majority of today’s population trace their origins to the emigration from Turkey, mainly from the district of Erzrum. Armenians set up 60 villages and built 50 churches in the regions of Akhaltskha, Akhalkalaki and the adjoining Tsalka. The passport checkpoint is not the only spot marking the beginning of Javakhk. The Georgian side of the asphalt road from Armenia is in a wretched state, full of deep holes all the way to the town of Ninotsminda. The state of the roads is the first sign of the region’s desolation. “Neither Georgia nor Armenia forecasts our weather,” says Ruzan Tepoyan, a teacher of the Tumanian school in Akhalkalaki town. “This is a forgotten land.” Akhalkalaki Akhalkalaki means “new town” in Georgian but the only new construction in recent years has been a couple of gas stations. One rarely hears Georgian or Russian spoken in the muddy and broken streets of this town of 10,000 people (it was 15,000 in Soviet times). The street signs are in Russian, Armenian and Georgian. Business is conducted in four currencies – the Georgian lari, Russian ruble, Armenian dram, and U.S. dollar. Sales people at any store can instantly convert one currency into another and tell you the price of their goods. Edited January 27, 2009 by Arpa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 Above we saw that the Urartian name for Javakhk was Jabakha/Ջաբախա. Of course we know that in the Armenian language “jabagh/ճապաղ” means shallow/muddy (an onomatopoeic/bnadzayn/բնաձայն?” word. See if it was really named by its Urartian origin. Jabaghjour/Ճապաղջուր; http://hy.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D5%83%D5%A1%...%B8%D6%82%D6%80 Ճապաղջուր, (Чапагаджур, Chapakchur) – Ճապալջուր, Ճապաղջուր, Ճապաղջուր —Գավառ Մեծ Հայքի Չորրորդ Հայք աշխ-ում: Այսպես է կոչված համանուն բերդի անունով: Տարածքով համապատասխանում է Հաշտյանք գավ-ին: Ունի անտառապատ լ–ներ ու հորդառատ ջրեր: Տարածված է ընդարձակ հովտում` շրջապատված լ-ներով: Այստեղով հոսում են Արածանիի ավազանի 4 գետեր՝ իրենց վտակներով: Ջրակուտակման համար էլ գավ անվանված է Ճ: Հետագայում Ճ անունով շարունակվել է կոչվել այս գավ–ի մի մասը՝ Բիթլիսի նահ-ի Գենջի գավ-ի Ճապաղջրի գավառակը (տ): Ճապաղջրի գավառակ, Чапагджури гаварак, Chapakchri gavarak, Ճաբակ ջուր, Ճապաղջուր, Ճապաղջուրի գավառակ, Ճապաջուր, Ճապղջուր, Չաբակչուր, Չապակչուր, Ջաբալջուր, Ջաբաքչուր, Ջաբաքչուրի կազա, Ջապաղջուր —Գավառակ (կազա) Արմ Հայաստանում, Բիթլիսի նահ-ի Գենջի գավ-ում: Տարածվում էր ճապաղջուր գետի հովտում: Արլ-ից սահմանակից էր Գենջին, արմ-ից` Բալուին, հս-ից` Քղիին, հր-ից` Դիարբեքի րի նահ–ի Արղանամադենի գավ-ին: Տարածքով համապատասխանում է նախկին Ճապաղաջուր (Հին Հաշտյանք) գավ–ի մի մասին : 17-րդ դ, օսմանյան տիրապե տության ժամանակ մտնում էր Դիարբե քիրի նահ–ի (կուսակալության) կազմում, որպես նրա մի գավ–ը (սանջակը): Հետագայում ես hաճախ անվանված է «գավառ»: Պատկանում էր քուրդ բեկերին: Ունի բեր րի հողեր, անտառապատ լ-ներ ու առատ ջրեր: 19-րդ դ վերջերին ուներ 80 գ, որից 4-ը հովտում, մնացածները շրջապատի լ–ների վրա: Հայերը հիմնականում ապ րում էին հովտի գ-երում: 1909 թ ուներ 91 գ: Վ. Քինեի վիճակագրությամբ 1891 թ ուներ 20800 բնակիչ, որից մահմեդականներ՝ 16465, հայեր՝ 4335: Զբաղվում էին երկրագործությամբ, անասնապա հությամբ, այգեգործությամբ: Այստեղ էր գտնվում պատմական Կթառիճ ամրոցը, որը ոմանք նույնացնում են նույն շրջ-ի Ճապաղաջուր բք-ին: Ճապաղջուր, Чапагаджур Chapakchur, Գելիկ, Գերնիկ, Ճապաղ, Ճապաղա ջուր, Ճապղջուր, Չաբակչուր, Չապակ չուր, Ջաբաղջուր —Ավան, գյուղ (գյուղաքաղաք, քաղաք) Արմ Հայաստա նում, Բիթլիսի նահ–ի Գենջի գավ-ում, Ճապաղջրի գվռկ-ում: Գտնվում է Ճապաղջուր գետի ափին, Բալու ք-ից արլ, հին Ճ բք-ի տեղում: Վկայված է որպես ավան, գ և ք: Թուրքերեն անվանել են Չաբակչուր: 20-րդ դ սկզբին սովորական գ էր: Դարասկզբի ռուսական քարտեզներում նշանակված է Գևլիկ կամ Գերնիկ անուններով: Այժմ ք է, և թուրքերը վերանվանել են Բինգյոլ, որը համանուն վիլայեթի կենտրոնն է: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hosank Posted May 18, 2009 Report Share Posted May 18, 2009 regarding the name, the georgian language has also heavily borrowed from old urartian, so it is quite possible that it has a similar meaning in both languages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariam1 Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 (edited) .edited. Edited December 11, 2009 by Mariam1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armenianinblood Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 (edited) In 1208 The sultan of Ardavel attacked Armenian town Aniss unexpectedly for Armenians. 12 000 Armenian peas-full citizen were brutally killed by Turkish barbarians. In this period the king of Georgia was Tamara who decided to punish sultan for this action so Georgians in secret prepared the army and attack Ardavel Georgians revenged for their neighbors and killed 12 000 Muslim. The examples like this are to much in the history of Georgia and Armenia. Even now despite of our encouragement the separatist regions of Georgia in past wars, this country is agree to open the governmental border with it`s enemy risks governmental safety for us. I think that Georgians are good neighbors. Edited December 11, 2009 by armenianinblood Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaunt Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 The sooner Armenia has a border with Russia the better. These neighbors are simply in the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 What is the name of that Non-country anyway?Is it from the Armenian Iverastan/Vrastan from Iberia, Northern Armenia, Lori, Albania? If it is Iberia, then where is Portugal?What is the name of that land?What is their national food, red neckties? What.does Georgia mean? Is it based on what some of our neighbors call it -Gurjistan? (Remember that clown- Gurjiev)? Is it named for the British King George III or George VI? Or was it St. George, the dragon slayer? http://www.turnbacktogod.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/st-george-killing-dragon.gifNo, no. I know. It is named for this and other King Georgi-s ; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_V_of_Georgiahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bagrationi_dynastyBelow an excerpt from the site, with highlights by me. Also survey some of the ridiculous maps where mercifully most of Greater Armenia is spared;Main article: Origin of the Bagratid dynasties An earlier version of the Bagrationi family blazon. The Atlas of Georgia, by Prince Vakhushti, c. 1740s. According to a family legend, taken down by the eleventh-century Georgian chronicler Sumbat Davitis-Dze,[1] and supplied much later by Prince Vakhushti Bagrationi (1696–1757) with chronological data, the ancestors of the dynasty traced their descent to the biblical king and prophet David and came from Palestine around 530 AD. Tradition has it that of seven refugee brothers of the Davidic line, three of them settled in Armenia and the other four arrived in Kartli (a major Georgian region also known as Iberia by Classical authors) where they intermarried with the local ruling houses and acquired some lands in hereditary possession. One of the four brothers, Guaram (died in 532), allegedly gave an origin to a line subsequently called Bagrationi after his son Bagrat.[2] A successor, Guaram, was installed as a presiding prince of Kartli under the Byzantine protectorate and bestowed, on this occasion, with the Byzantine court title of Kouropalates [3] in 575.[4] Thus, according to this version, began the dynasty of the Bagratids, who ruled until 1801. [5]---- This tradition had been given a general acceptance until the early 20th century. [6] While the Jewish origin, let alone the biblical descent of the Bagratids, has been largely discounted by modern scholarship, the issue of their origin still remains controversial. Several Soviet-era historians of Georgia developed a view summarized by N. Berdzenishvili and et al. in their standard reference book on the history of Georgia:-------Many modern scholars, however, argue the above version, referring to a more complex analysis of primary Armenian and Georgian sources. A genealogical scheme per Cyril Toumanoff is, by far, the most accepted in Western scholarly literature. It affirms that the Georgian Bagratids branched out of the Armenian Bagratid dynasty in the person of Adarnase, whose father Vasak (son of Ashot III the Blind, presiding prince of last royal house of Georgia. Accordingly, the legend of Davidic origin of the Georgian Bagratids given in the work of Moses of Khorene.[9] Once the Georgian branch, who had quickly acculturated in the new environment,[10] assumed royal power, the myth of their biblical origin helped to assert their legitimacy and emerged as a main ideological pillar of the millennium-long Bagrationi rule in Georgia.[11]Although certain, generation by generation, history of the Bagrationi dynasty begins only in the late 8th century, C. Toumanoff has demonstrated that the first Georgian branch of the Bagratids may be traced back as far as the second century A.D., when we hear them ruling over the princedom of Odzrkhe in what is now southern Georgia.[12] The Odzrkhe line, known in the medieval annals as the Bivritianis, lasted until the 5th century AD and they cannot be considered as the direct ancestors of the later Bagratids who eventually restored Georgian royal authority.[13] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Javakhk Posted December 21, 2009 Report Share Posted December 21, 2009 This is a must view video. Althou in Russian:http://javakhk.livejournal.com/99209.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Javakhk Posted December 21, 2009 Report Share Posted December 21, 2009 http://javakhk.livejournal.com/98422.html http://noravank.am/ru/?page=analitics&nid=2206ПРОЦЕССЫ ОГРУЗИНИВАНИЯ В ГРУЗИИТамара Варданян http://noravank.am/am/?page=analitics&nid=2205ՎՐԱՑԱՑՄԱՆ ԳՈՐԾԸՆԹԱՑՆԵՐԸ ՎՐԱՍՏԱՆՈՒՄԹամարա Վարդանյան Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yervant1 Posted February 24, 2016 Report Share Posted February 24, 2016 BEWARE OF THE GEORGIAN 'FRIEND'Mirror SpectatorEditorial 2-27 Feb 2016By Edmond Y. AzadianThis is not the first time Georgia is living up to its title of"friendly foe" with Armenia. Although the cross is prominently featuredon the Georgian national flag, Christian brotherhood does not meanmuch to the Georgian government. Otherwise, some consideration andsolidarity would have been warranted between the only two Christiannations amidst an ocean of Islamic countries.During the Soviet period, all ethnic tensions were subdued by thecentral government although there was no love lost between Armeniaand Georgia, since the two had fought a war before being integratedinto the Soviet empire. As a result of that war, the historic Armenianregion of Javakhk was integrated into Georgia.After the collapse of the Soviet empire, the two emerging republicspolitically developed in opposing directions, pushing their simmeringmutual antagonism into political dimensions.By historic necessity, Armenia aligned itself with Russia, becoming astrategic ally of its northern neighbor and hosting Moscow's militarybase on its territory. Georgia, meanwhile, veered towards the West,entertaining its dream of becoming a NATO member. Although theTbilisi government suffered for its Western orientation as a resultof President Mikhail Saakashvili's reckless politics, the succeedinggovernment of the Georgian Dream Party did not alter the nation'sforeign policy.During a speech delivered on February 12, President Serge Sargisian,commenting on the implementation of recent constitutional changes,also delved into the political background of the region stating, "withour two neighbors, Georgia and Iran, our relations are developing ingood neighborly spirits."However, that was a politically-correct statement rather than anaccurate one, made in order not to exacerbate tense relations withTbilisi.In fact, relations with Iran and Georgia are on totally differentfootings. At times, Iran may ignore some Armenian interests out ofpolitical expediency, but on principle, it does not go out of itsway to antagonize Armenia.Both internally and externally, Georgian policies hurt Armenians.Since Georgia's independence, all succeeding administrations haveexercised an extremely xenophobic domestic policy, trying to assimilateor alienate minorities. The brunt of that policy has been mostlydirected towards the Armenians in Javakhk. Although the policy costGeorgia territorial losses --Abkhazia and South Ossetia -- littlehas changed in the behavior of the central government.Georgia's foreign policy treats Armenia as a virtual enemy. At theUN and other world bodies, the Tbilisi government has brazenly sidedwith Azerbaijan and Turkey, to Armenia's detriment, trampling the"neighborly spirit" which Armenia tries to observe jealously andhopelessly.Armenia is a member of the Collective Security Treaty Organization(CSTO) and relies heavily on that organization for its security. Butescalating tensions with Azerbaijan have raised legitimate concerns,especially after Azeri encroachment on Armenia proper's sovereignterritory, in the face of Russia's enigmatic silence. Adding toArmenia's worries is the alarming rate of transfer of Russia's modernweaponry to the Baku government.Those concerns were raised by Armenian journalists at a pressconference with CSTO Secretary Gen. Nikolay Bordyuzha, who gave anindirect and terse answer: "Read the final documents of the annualCSTO ministers' statements, which necessarily refer to the situationin Caucasus."The same press conference substantiated the fears of the Armenianjournalists when he stated, "We are greatly concerned about thesituation in the Caucasus, especially in connection with NagornoKarabagh conflict, where heavy weaponry and tanks are used and thereare casualties. Further escalation of the conflict is unacceptable;the entire Caucasus will explode."Against this political background, the Tbilisi government furtherdevelops its political and economic relations with Turkey andAzerbaijan, tightening the noose around Armenia.On February 19, Georgia hosted the foreign ministers of Turkey andAzerbaijan, who visited the railway station in Kartzakhi, near theTurkish border. The foreign ministers of Azerbaijan, Georgia andTurkey, Elmar Mammadyarov, Mikheil Janelidze and Mevlut Cavusoglu,respectively, praised the Baku-Tbilisi-Kars (BTK) railway project asa "historic" one and they noted its importance within the context ofthe new Silk Road connecting Asia to Europe. The railway is scheduledto be completed by 2017 and one segment of it will run through theArmenian-populated Akhalkalaki, after bypassing Armenia itself.The Azeri Foreign Minister said, "I believe that we are on theright track. It is a joint understanding that we must continue thiscooperation because it's a win-win-win for all three countries andthe region."He stopped short of saying "it's a lose-lose-lose project for Armenia."But what is more worrisome is that in addition to making statementson economic cooperation, the trio have signed a political declarationwhere they state they place "the utmost importance on the earliestpeaceful settlement of the conflict in and around the NagornoKarabagh region of the Republic of Azerbaijan and the conflictin the Georgian regions of Abkhazia and Tskhinvali region/SouthOssetia on the basis of principles and norms of international law,particularly, sovereignty, territorial integrity and inviolabilityof the internationally-recognized borders."The last eight words are euphemistically intended to expressthe territorial ambitions of the Aliyev dynasty. By contrast, theOrganization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) co-chairshave been working on the principles of the final part of the Helsinkideclaration, which intends to reconcile territorial integrity withthe right to self-determination of the local population.Georgia recklessly endorses Azerbaijan's position on the settlementof Karabagh conflict while Armenia has cautiously refrained fromrecognizing Abkhazia's independence to avoid a confrontation withTbilisi.With the lifting of sanctions on Iran, the gas market became a hotbattleground in the Caucasus, where Russia, Azerbaijan and Iran arecompeting. At one point, there was talk that Armenia may become atransit route for Iranian gas to Georgia. It seems that the Georgiangovernment has been having second thoughts for fear of angering thegovernment of Baku. Azerbaijan's territory is being considered asa conduit for Iranian gas and Georgia's Minister of Energy KakhaKaladze has said that "Tbilisi could consider this option, too."The Turkish-Georgian cooperation has opened the floodgates for theinvasion of Turkish capital in Georgia.Vahakn Chakhalian, the Armenian political activist in Javakhk who wasjailed by President Saakashvili, has issued an appeal to all Armenians,saying, "no to the Turkification of Georgia."He added: "The seeds that Saakashvili had sown are blossoming inGeorgia and the Turkification of the country is developing at analarming rate and it has almost reached the point of no return."The statement specially informs that the Turkish investors discriminateeven against Christian Georgians by denying them employment andpreferring Azeris and Turks instead.Adding insult to injury, the Georgian government has agreed to host aTurkish military base on its territory, to complete the Turkificationof the country.It is understandable that the US and NATO have welcomed the move"as a contribution to stability." That base would substitute a NATObase, which would irritate Russia to no end. In light of the currentescalating tension between Russia and Turkey, stability may becomethe first casualty.With a friend like Georgia in the region, Armenia does not needany enemies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yervant1 Posted September 26, 2017 Report Share Posted September 26, 2017 Aravot, ArmeniaSept 25 2017 Do Georgians take Khuchap monastery to themselves? Comments the Minister of Culture of the Republic of Armeniahttp://www.aravot-en.am/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Armen-Amiryan.jpg On September 24, during his visit to Lori Province, the Minister of Culture, Armen Amiryan referred to the situation relative to Khuchap monastery.Let us remind you that lately the Georgian nationalists had organized a demonstration, insisting that in Lori Province, Khuchap monastery which stands on Armenia-Georgia border, has been “appropriated” by Armenians. “The Ministries of Culture of Armenia and Georgia do not view the issue of belonging. On the issue the parties may have different opinions, but it does not disturb us to be able to stand up for our historical and cultural heritage”, explained Armen Amiryan. He noted that he had met with the Minister of Culture of Georgia two days before and discussed the issues of the restoration and strengthening of Armenian churches in the territory of Georgia. Let us remind you – this is not the first case when in Georgia they try to appropriate Armenian churches. Luiza SUKIASYAN http://www.aravot-en.am/2017/09/25/200347/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yervant1 Posted December 9, 2017 Report Share Posted December 9, 2017 Value WalkDec 8 2017 With Opening Of Turkish Border, Georgia’s Armenians Grow ResentfulBy EurasiaNet on December 8, 2017 1:02 pm in Geopolitics A few weeks ago, residents of the village of Dadash, on Georgia’s border with Turkey, blocked the main highway connecting the two countries. Their aim, they said, was to call attention to rampant lawlessness in the area since the opening of the border post with Turkey in 2015. In particular, they assert that their livestock is being stolen, blaming Turks in neighboring towns. A member of Georgia's parliament, Enzel Mkoyan, visited the village the day after the protest to hear out their grievances. A large majority of area residents is ethnic Armenian. Residents told him that cameras on the Turkish side showed that the stolen animals had indeed been taken over the border. They also maintained that local authorities have been of little help. “We live on the border and are very worried,” one of the villagers, Tsolak Martirosyan said at the meeting, according to an account by local news website JNews.ge. “Why is the Turkish side equipped with video cameras, and our side isn’t? What century do we live in?” The problem is not new, residents complained. A village nearby, Kartsakhi, staged a similar protest in 2015, threatening to obstruct the construction of a new international railway through the area unless the authorities took action to find stolen property. Mkoyan promised help. “I called all ministries – the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Foreign Ministry, and also the border police,” he told the crowd. “They are all worried about what happened and they promised to help. The state is behind you.” But residents across the area say they want more than government assurances. “It used to be much safer here, but now the police are doing very little,” said Rima Gharibyan, the director of JNews. “Robberies have increased dramatically in recent years but no one will help us.” The municipality of Akhalkalaki, which contains Dadash and Kartsakhi, is highly dependent on remittances from Russia and has been badly affected by the ruble’s decline. This has resulted in a rising crime rate. “Ever since the border with Turkey opened we’ve had nothing but trouble,” said Kristina Marabyan, a reporter for JNews. “Corruption is growing here – it’s like a return to the Soviet era.” The nearby border crossing, between Ç?ld?r in Turkey and Kartsakhi, was reopened in 2015, after being closed for 10 years, amid growing ties between Tbilisi and Ankara. Georgia’s leadership has been cultivating its relationship with Ankara in recent years, in a bid to attract foreign direct investment and further its own NATO ambitions. The situation around Akhalkalaki is particularly sensitive due to the high density of Armenians living there. After the Russian Empire conquered the area in 1828, many Muslims fled to the Ottoman Empire and the tsarist government resettled the area with Armenians, “seeing them as more reliable than the local Muslims,” according to Timothy Blauvelt, a historian of Georgia at Ilia State University in Tbilisi. Amid the genocide against Armenians in the Ottoman Empire during the First World War, the south of Georgia took in many people who were fleeing the massacres. “Most of us have family from Kars and Erzerum” in Turkey, Marabyan said. “We became a region of refugees.” Fear of Turkey has only heightened in recent years. Shortly after the border opened, someone using red paint wrote “we will return” in Turkish on the old Ottoman fortress silently watching over Akhalkalaki, local media reported. “The problem is that [the Turks] have no respect for our local traditions,” Marabyan said. “I don’t want my country to be somebody’s playground.” Many in the region saw the Russian military base in Akhalkalaki, which closed in 2007, as an important bulwark against Turkey. An old Soviet military base stands in ruins in Kartsakhki, overlooking the border. “Communism begins here!” is inscribed on its wall, for the benefit of the NATO soldiers who used to be based on the other side. Now, the town is in decline. Despite the town’s new asphalt road, designed to help speed cargo across the border into Turkey, the village has experienced little economic benefit from the border’s opening. Locals complain that the growing number of heavily loaded trucks passing through the town are actually causing damage to the surrounding houses. Others complain the open border is accelerating Akhalkalaki’s economic malaise. Turkish citizens regularly visit to buy food, cigarettes and gasoline, all of which are cheaper than in Turkey. Prices are reportedly rising as a result. There’s also the issue of brothels and prostitution. Several brothels have opened in Akhalkalaki and neighboring Akhaltsikhe, which – locals say – was unheard of before the Turkish border opened. In November, residents of Akhaltsikhe held a protest against the Turkish-oriented sex trade. But it was only ethnic Georgians who participated, Gharibyan said. “Armenians didn’t take part,” she said. “Every time we are involved in protests such as these local officials dismiss it as national hostility toward Turks, so it’s better for us to leave it to the Georgians.” One of the most controversial symbols of Turkey’s growing presence in the region is the new Baku-Tbilisi-Kars (BTK) railway, which passes through the area and was built with largely Turkish and Azerbaijani labor. “On the one hand, people in Akhalkalaki are afraid of the BTK strengthening Turkish influence in the region,” said Ghia Nodia, a political scientist at Ilia State University. “But on the other hand they are hoping it will lead to economic opportunities.” But many have felt left out by the project. In 2016, a local Armenian activist Vahagan Chakhalyan released a public statement attacking the Georgian government’s “Turkification” policies. In Chakhalyan's words, “Turkish-Azeri capital is taking over the business market, and not hiring Christians.” Chakhalyan and his party, the United Javakh Democratic Alliance, have long had a tense relationship with Georgian authorities, who accuse them of harboring separatist tendencies. Several party activists, including Chakhalyan, were even arrested in 2008 following a fatal bombing at the home of Akhalkalaki’s chief of police. Locals say that Tbilisi exaggerates the separatist threat. “If we are separatists then where do we go?” Marabyan asked. “Would we join Armenia? They’re in an even worse position than we are.” Article by Bradley Jardine, EurasiaNet http://www.valuewalk.com/2017/12/turkish-border-armenia-clas/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yervant1 Posted December 24, 2017 Report Share Posted December 24, 2017 News.am, ArmeniaDec 23 2017 Newspaper: PM Kvirikashvili statement on Armenia causes uproar in Georgia, Azerbaijan11:11, 23.12.2017 YEREVAN. – Friday’s statement by Georgian Prime Minister Giorgi Kvirikashvili has caused quite a stir in both Georgia and Azerbaijan, according to Zhamanak (Time) newspaper of Armenia.“Kvirikashvili had stated that in force majeure situations, Armenia can make use of the transport corridors of South Ossetia and Abkhazia.“The Upper Lars checkpoint, which links Armenia to Russia, is often closed, which is due to weather conditions when, in the winter months, the road leading to the checkpoint is [often] closed because of snowfall, and in the spring and even in the summer, it [frequently] collapses [because of] floods.“If this statement is carried out and Armenia is able to be linked to Russia via the Roki Tunnel and the Abkhazian railway, Armenia’s economic blockade, initiated by Azerbaijan for 25 years, can be considered eliminated,” wrote Zhamanak.https://news.am/eng/news/428018.html 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yervant1 Posted October 10, 2021 Report Share Posted October 10, 2021 Oct 8 2021 Tbilisi’s largely forgotten and neglected Armenian heritageOctober 9, 20215 Min ReadSoso DzamukashviliTbilisi’s Armenian heritage is danger of being forgotten entirely, but there is some hope.Armenian intellectuals, wealthy merchants and leading cultural figures have been an integral part of life in the Georgian capital Tbilisi for centuries.Indeed, according to Finnish academic Serafim Seppälä, who has written extensively on Armenian culture and history, Tbilisi in the 19th century was “the most Armenian town in the world”, with Armenians accounting for more than two-thirds of the city’s population.Today, while Tbilisi’s population tops one million people, Armenians constitute around just five per cent.The decline has been steady, not precipitated by any one particular event, but the reduction in size of the city’s Armenian population has meant that much of its Armenian heritage – residential buildings, schools, churches and other cultural monuments built by the Armenians of Tbilisi – has been neglected or simply forgotten entirely.The Armenian Apostolic Church has borne the brunt. Where once there were 24 Armenian churches in Tbilisi, today just two remain.Some of these were confiscated under Soviet rule, only to be handed in the 1990s to the Georgian Orthodox Church.According to a report on international religious freedom published by the US Department of State, both the Roman Catholic and Armenian Apostolic Churches in Georgia “have been unable to secure the return of churches and other facilities closed during the Soviet period, many of which later were given to the Georgian Orthodox Church by the state”.The same could be said for many other Armenian heritage sites in Tbilisi, such as the Armenian Drama Theatre, one of the most potent symbols of Armenian culture in the city.Named after an outstanding Armenian actor and poet, Petros Adamian, the theatre was established in 1858 by the Armenian theatre figure George Chmshkian.Rebuilt in 1936 and renamed the Stepan Shahumian Armenian Theatre after a leading Bolshevik, it is currently in poor condition, and has been closed for seven years.Fortunately, there is hope.The Kartu Group, a charity organisation founded by Georgia’s richest man and former prime minister of Georgia Bidzina Ivanishvili, has undertaken to restore the building. Armenia’s Ministry of Culture is also set to provide the theatre with funding.However, while reconstruction was planned to be completed in 2020, Tbilisi City Hall recently announced that the date had been postponed until 2023. The most beautiful city in Eastern EuropeAmong the many Armenians who left their mark on Tbilisi few are greater than Mikael Aramyants, a man who in the latter part of the 19th century wanted to turn Tbilisi into the most beautiful city in Eastern Europe.Originally from Karabakh, he made his home in Tbilisi in the 1860s and became a successful sugar and cotton trader, and later an oil magnate.Part of his legacy is the magnificent renaissance and baroque Tbilisi Marriott Hotel, which he built at the beginning of the 20th century, calling it the Mazhestik, and the former Aramyants Hospital.The Tbilisi Marriott, once the MazhestikAnd yet his name is all but forgotten. Although some older Georgians still call the hospital after its founder, it is officially today simply known as Central Hospital.According to Anna Sarkisyan, president of the Georgian Association of Cultural Relations, neglecting the Armenian legacy in Tbilisi is nothing new.“The process of abandoning Armenian heritage in Georgia started during the repression of Tsarist-era Russia,” she tells Emerging Europe.And since then, little has changed.“Unfortunately, the Georgian government is not usually interested in the preservation of [Armenian] heritage, which is systematically demolished.”Also at least partially forgotten is the name of the Tamamshevs, a wealthy Armenian family of merchants.The Tamamshevs played a significant role in Tbilisi’s cultural and educational development: Gavril Tamamshev funded the construction of the first opera house in Tbilisi in 1847 when the Russian Tsar’s treasury refused to do so.Gavril Tamamshev also donated his library, containing thousands of volumes, on the establishment of the Georgian National Library.In the 1850s, the Tamamshevs constructed a magnificent house in Tbilisi, which in 1876 was part of Elizaveta Tamamsheva’s dowry on her wedding to Mikhail Smirnov, a Russian botanist and ethnographer.During the Soviet period, however, it was confiscated by the municipality. And while today the house is home to a museum that commemorates both the Tamamshevs and Smirnov, it carries the latter’s name. Pantheon, or what’s left of itElsewhere in Tbilisi is Khojavank, an architectural complex in the north-eastern part of the Avlabari district of the city.Integral to Khojavank was a huge memorial cemetery, which remains the burial site of many prominent Armenians, including writers Raffi and Hovhannes Tumanyans.Parts were destroyed by the Soviets however in 1937, and what was left was taken over by the Georgian Orthodox Church in the 1990s, its heritage further erased by the subsequent construction of the huge Holy Trinity Cathedral. The tiny section that remains, together with some relocated gravestones, is preserved as the Armenian Pantheon of Tbilisi.Sarkisyan says that Armenian heritage is viewed by many in Georgia as a “competing memory”.“The most important thing is to realise that Armenian architecture and legacy, in general, cannot be taken away from Georgia. It is our [Georgian-Armenian] shared heritage,” she says.“We can benefit mutually from its existence.”https://emerging-europe.com/after-hours/tbilisis-largely-forgotten-and-neglected-armenian-heritage/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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