MosJan Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 Ջրից չոր դուրս գալու արվեստը http://hetq.am/static/images/frontend/pixel.gif Գեւորգ Դարբինյան Հոկտեմբեր 20, 2008 http://hetq.am/static/images/frontend/pixel.gif Ինչու՞ է դադար վերցնում ընդդիմությունը Հոկտեմբերի 17-ին կայացած Հայ ազգային կոնգրեսի հանրահավաքում ընդդիմության առաջնորդ Լեւոն Տեր-Պետրոսյանը, փաստորեն, արեց այն ոչ ստանդարտ քայլը, որի մասին խոսում էինք մեր նախորդ հոդվածում. http://hetq.am/static/images/frontend/i_print.gifտպել http://hetq.am/static/images/frontend/emailtofriend.gifուղարկել ընկերոջը «Լինելով Հայաստանի քաղաքական կյանքում ծանրակշիռ դերակատարություն ունեցող ուժերից մեկը` իր դիրքորոշումն այս իրադրության մեջ պարտավոր է ճշտել նաեւ Համաժողովրդական շարժումը կամ Հայ ազգային կոնգրեսը։ Եթե հիշում եք, իմ նախորդ ելույթներից մեկում, իշխանության համար մղվող քաղաքական պայքարում ամեն ինչից վեր դասելով ազգային եւ պետական շահը, ես հայտարարել էի, որ Ղարաբաղի դեմ ռազմական սպառնալիքի առաջացման դեպքում կոչով կդիմեմ Համա֊ժողովրդական շարժման մասնակիցներին` խնդրելով ժամանակավորապես դադա֊րեցնել իրենց գործողությունները եւ լծվել համազգային պայքարի նվիրական գործին։ Ղարաբաղյան հակամարտության մոտալուտ հանգուցալուծումը, իր պարունակած վտանգներով հավասարազոր լինելով ռազմական սպառնալիքի, կարծում եմ, հրատապ է դարձնում այդ կոչի իրականացումը»։ Տեր-Պետրոսյանի այս իսկապես անսպասելի քայլը դեռ երկար ժամանակ վերլուծությունների, քննարկումների տեղիք կտա առնվազն երկու առումներով։ Նախ՝ ի՞նչ ազդեցություն այն կունենա ներքաղաքական կյանքի եւ ընդդիմության հետագա գործունեության վրա, որքանո՞վ էր այն հաշվարկված եւ բխում Հայ ազգային կոնգրեսի ռազմավարական առաջնահերթություններից, եւ երկրորդ՝ արդյոք ԼՂ հակամարտության կարգավորման բանակցություններն իսկապե՞ս գտնվում են հանգուցալուծման եզրին հենց Տեր-Պետրոսյանի նշած ոչ հայանպաստ տարբերակով, եւ դրա համար անհրաժեշտ է ողջ ուժերի կոնսոլիդացում, թե՞ հակամարտության նման վերլուծությունը պարզապես շատ գրագետ եւ կուռ տրամաբանված պատճառաբանություն-շղարշ է՝ ծածկելու Կոնգրեսի անելանելի վիճակը, մարտավարական ճգնաժամը։ Ամեն դեպքում, մեկ բան ակնհայտ է. Տեր-Պետրոսյանին հաջողվեց ուշադրությունը Կոնգրեսից տեղափոխել դեպի Ղարաբաղյան հակամարտության գոտի, ինչի շրջանակներում ներքին քաղաքական խնդիրները առժամանակ երկրորդական պլան կմղվեն։ Դա հնարավորություն կտա ընդդիմության առաջնորդներին որոշ ժամանակ ազատ շունչ քաշել եւ, հետեւելով տարածաշրջանային զարգացումներին, իրենց մարտավարությունն ու ռազմավարությունը համապատասխանեցնել դրանց։ Մի բան, որ այս պահին ուղղակի հնարավոր չէ, որովհետեւ համաշխարհային ուժային կենտրոնների՝ ԱՄՆ-ի, եվրոպական համայնքի եւ Ռուսաստանի կողմից վարվող քաղաքականությունը Հարավային Կովկասում այնքան խճճված է, հակասական, իսկ ճշմարտացի, օբյեկտիվ տեղեկատվությունն այնքան սակավ է, որ ոչ ոք չի կարող հստակ ասել, թե իրականում ի՞նչ է կատարվում, ի՞նչ է պլանավորվում ԼՂ հակամարտության կարգավորման բանակցային գործընթացում։ Հետեւաբար, նման անորոշության պայմաններում, մութ սենյակում խարխափելով` հնարավոր չէր լինելու այնպիսի տակտիկա որդեգրել, որը, համահունչ լինելով տարածաշրջանային զարգացումներին, կհանգեցներ ընդդիմության հետապնդած նպատակներին։ Այլ կերպ ասած՝ ժամանակավոր դադար վեցնելու այս քայլը ոչ այնքան ուղղված էր ԼՂ հակամարտության կարգավորման գործընթացում Արեւմուտքի ձեռքին խաղալիք չդառնալու եւ դրանով Հայաստանի իշխանությունների վրա ճնշումներ բանեցնելու հնարավորությունների չեզոքացմանը, որքան տարածաշրջանում ստեղծված նոր, բարդ իրադրությունում կողմնորոշվելու անհրաժեշտությանը։ Հարց է առաջանում՝ ինչու՞ է Տեր-Պետրոսյանը ներքաղաքական խնդիրների լուծումը համառորեն պայմանավորում արտաքին գործոններով։ Եթե ուշադրություն ենք դարձնում նրա որդեգրած քաղաքական գծին ու իրականացրած մարտավարական քայլերին՝ սկսած ուղիղ մեկ տարի առաջ քաղաքական բեմահարթակ վերադառնալու մասին նրա հայտարարությունից, ապա ակնհայտ է դառնում, որ արտաքին գործոնի դերը հենց ներքաղաքական խնդիրների լուծման հարցում նրա համար ուղղակի առանցքային, նույնիսկ որոշիչ նշանակություն է ունեցել։ Ավելին, պետք է նշել, որ հենց այս ճակատում Տեր-Պետրոսյանը կրեց ամենալուրջ պարտությունը. նախ՝ միջազգային հանրությունն անտեսեց իրենց բոլոր բողոքները ընտրախախտումների, մարդու իրավունքների ոտնահարման դեպքերի կապակցությամբ, ապա եւ երկու անգամ քարտ բլանշ տվեց գործող իշխանություններին՝ կատարելու ԵԽԽՎ հայտնի երկու բանաձեւերի պահանջները, որոնց հետամուտ լինելու հարցում հենց ԵԽ-ն համառորեն չի ցանկանում համարժեք հետեւողականություն ցուցաբերել։ Այսինքն` Տեր-Պետրոսյանի այն հաշվարկը, թե եվրոպական կառույցների կողմից ՀՀ իշխանությունների նկատմամբ ուժեղ ճնշումների բանեցումը եւ միջազգային մակարդակով Սերժ Սարգսյանի լեգիտիմության հարցի սրումը կարող է հիանալի զենք դառնալ իշխանափոխության խնդիրը լուծելու ճանապարհին, ուղղակի տապալվեցին, եւ նա այլեւս չի կարող հույսը միարժեքորեն դնել այս գործոնի վրա։ Հետաքրքրականն այն է, որ հենց այս վերջին հանրահավաքի ընթացքում նա մի շատ ուշագրավ, աննախադեպ միտք արտահայտեց, որը հստակորեն ցույց է տալիս Արեւմուտքի հետ կապվող հույսերի առումով նրա հաշվարկների ձախողվածությունը. «Սերժ Սարգսյանն, ըստ էության, կանաչ լույս է ստացել Արեւմուտքից՝ ներքին քաղաքականության բնագավառում գործելու սեփական հայեցողությամբ, ինչի վկայությունն են, մասնավորապես, ժողովրդի դեմ վերջերս սաստկացած ոստիկանական բռնությունները։ Սեփական արժեքները մանրադրամի վերածելու Արեւմուտքի այս վարքագիծը, անբարոյական լինելուց առավել, Հայաստանի ու Ղարաբաղի դեմ նյութվող դավադրության տարր է պարունակում»,- հանրահավաքում ասել է Տեր-Պետրոսյանը։ Բնականաբար, նման պայմաններում արտաքին գործոնի ազդեցությունը ընդդիմության պլանների համատեքստում դառնում է ուղղակի անվստահելի, որովհետեւ մեծ հաշվով ընդդիմության ճամբարում այլեւս հասկանում են, որ Արեւմուտքը ներկայումս ոչ այնքան շեշտադրումը կատարում է Հայաստանում գործող իշխանությանը հեռացնելու, որքան թեկուզ վերջիններիս լեգիտմության խոցելիությունն օգտագործելու միջոցով ԼՂ հակամարտության կարգավորման խնդրի լուծման ճանապարհին Հայաստանից լուրջ զիջումներ կորզելու վրա. մի բան, որ ռազմավարական առումով բոլորովին չի բխում ընդդիմության շահերից։ Այս դադարը նաեւ անհրաժեշտ կլինի Կոնգրեսին՝ ԼՂ հակամարտության կարգավորման գործընթացում զիջումների գնալու իշխանությունների պատրաստակամությունը դարձնել նոր համահասարակական, համաժողովրդական դիմադրության ուժեղ մոտիվացիա։ Դրա համար անհրաժեշտ կլինի ոչ միայն հնարավոր զիջումները հանրությանը մատուցել իբրեւ դավաճանություն, այլեւ այդ ճանապարհով ձերբազատվելով պարտվողական քաղաքականությունը կրողի` դեռ 1998թ.-ից ստանձնած կերպարից, այն փոխանցել գործող իշխանություններին։ Ահա այս նպատակակետի շրջանակներում միանգամայն հասկանալի է դառնում, թե ինչու է շեշտվում. «Եվ այս վտանգավոր իրավիճակում Սերժ Սարգսյանը, պետական շահի կամ ժողովրդի բարօրության գիտակցությամբ առաջնորդվելու փոխարեն, մտահոգված է բացառապես իր լեգիտիմության ճանաչման եւ իշխանության պահպանման խնդիրներով։ Ընդ որում` վերջին շրջանում նրա կատարած քայլերը ցույց են տալիս, որ հանուն այդ նպատակների նա պատրաստ է վերանայել անգամ Հայաստանի արտաքին քաղաքականության հայեցակարգը եւ Ռուսաստանի ու Արեւմուտքի հետ հարաբերություններում հավասարակշռություն պահպանելու փոխարեն աստիճանաբար թեքվել վերջինիս կողմը»։ (Մեջբերում հոկտեմբերի 17-ի հանրահավաքում Տեր-Պետրոսյանի ելույթից)։ Եթե ուշադրություն ենք դարձնում, Տեր-Պետրոսյանը փորձում է այնպիսի տակտիկա որդեգրել, որի հիմնական խնդիրը նաեւ հայաստանյան իշխանություններին Ռուսաստանի շահերի դեմ հանելն է։ Այս մեսիջը մի կողմից ակնհայտորեն ուղղված է Մոսկվային՝ հենց Հայաստանի իշխանությունների շրջանակներում փնտրել բուն «դավաճաններին», երկրորդ հերթին ուղղված է հասարակության այն շրջանակներին, որոնք ԼՂ հակամարտության կարգավորման հարցում Ռուսաստանի ներգրավվածության դերը համարում են որոշիչ։ Այս առումով որքան էլ տարօրինակ, այնուամենայնիվ, միանգամայն հասկանալի է դառնում, թե ինչու՞ Թուրքիայի միջոցով Ռուսաստանին ԼՂ հակամարտությունից եւ ընդհանրապես տարածաշրջանից դուրս թողնել ձգտող Արեւմուտքի հետապնդած խնդրի լուծմանը մասնակից դառնալու մեջ ՀՀ իշխանություններին մեղադրող Տեր-Պետրոսյանը իր խոսքում այդպես էլ չանդրադարձավ ՌԴ արտաքին գործերի նախարար Սերգեյ Լավրովի այն հայտնի հայտարարությանը, թե` «Ինձ թվում է՝ Կովկասում հակամարտային իրավիճակի պահպանման դեպքում իր դրության խոցելիության սրված ընկալումը Հայաստանի կողմից եւ ներկա պահի յուրահատկության ըմբռնումը Թուրքիայի կողմից, Մինսկի խմբի համանախագահների առկա առաջարկների հետ մեկտեղ, ստեղծում են կրիտիկական զանգված, որպեսզի լուծումը գտնվի»: Այլ կերպ ասած՝ Տեր-Պետրոսյանը փորձում է տեր կանգնել հասարակական այն զանգվածների հետաքրքրություններին, որոնք մի ժամանակ հենց իրեն էին մեղադրում պարտվողական քաղաքականություն որդեգրելու մեջ, եւ նրանց տրամադրությունները փորձում է ուղղել ներկայիս իշխանությունների դեմ։ Ելնելով սրանից` պետք է սպասել, որ Տեր-Պետրոսյանի նախանշած այս երկու-երեք ամիսների ընթացքում ընդդիմադիր ողջ քարոզչամեքենան լծվելու է ՀՀ իշխանությունների` «դավադրի», «պարտվողական դրքորոշում որդեգրածի» կերպարը ստեղծելու գործին։ Դա, անշուշտ, լրջագույն գործոն է Կոնգրեսի շուրջը նոր ուժեր ներգրավելու համար։ Այն հանգամանքը, որ դադար առնելու մասին Տեր-Պետոսյանի այս հայտարարությունը հենց նշված ավելի խորքային նպատակներն է հետապնդում, ցույց են տալիս նրա վերջին հրապարակային ելույթից հետո առաջացած մի քանի` առայժմ անպատասխան հարցադրումներ, որոնց ողղակի հնարավոր չէ ուշադրություն չդարձնել. 1. Եթե ԼՂ հակամարտության կարգավորման գործընթացում ընդդիմությունն իսկապես դավադրություն է տեսնում, ապա ինչու՞ է հենց հիմա պայքարը դադարեցնելու որոշում կայացնում, երբ ակնհայտ է, որ ընդդիմության անգործությունը շատ ավելի մեծ դաշտ է ստեղծելու այդ դավադրական ծրագիրն իրագործելու համար։ Չէ՞ որ հասարակական ու քաղաքական ուժեղ ճնշման պայմաններում իշխանությունն ուղղակի չի կարող գնալ անիմաստ ու միակողմանի զիջումների ԼՂ հարցում։ 2. Եթե Տեր-Պետրոսյանը, իբրեւ ստեղծված իրավիճակից դուրս գալու անհրաժեշտ պայման, տեսնում է «Մեղմացնել Հայաստանում տիրող քաղաքական եւ հասարակական լարվա֊ծությունը, ապահովել օրենքի գերակայությունը, դադարեցնել ժողովրդավարական ազատությունների սահմանափակումներն ու մարդու իրավունքների սանձարձակ ոտնահարումները, արմատախիլ անել համատարած կոռուպցիան եւ վերացնել երկրի հարստության անպատիժ կողոպուտը, ազատվել անբարեխիղճ եւ քրեականացած պաշտոնյաներից, վերականգնել օրենսդիր եւ դատական իշխանությունների անկա֊խու֊թյու֊նը, կառուցողական երկխոսություն սկսել հասարակության հետ, այսինքն՝ չեզոքացնել այն բոլոր պատճառները, որոնք արտաքին աշխարհի ձեռքում լծակ են ծառայում Հայաստանի վրա ճնշումներ բանեցնելու համար», ապա ինչու՞, դադարեցնելով պայքարը, փաստորեն հենց այդ արատավոր երեւույթների շարունակման, ընդլայնման հնարավորություններ է ստեղծում։ 3. Ինչու՞ է Տեր-Պետրոսյանը, կարեւորելով Ռուսաստանի հավասարակշռող դերը Մինսկի խմբում եւ ԼՂ հակամարտության կարգավորման գործընթացում, պնդում, որ «իր սեփական լուծումը պարտադրելու Արեւմուտքի ունեցած ներկայիս հնարավորությունների» պայմաններում «կանգնած ենք Ղարաբաղյան հակամարտության մոտալուտ հանգուցալուծման շեմին»՝ առանց վերլուծելու այն հարցը, թե ինչու՞ է այդ դեպքում Ռուսաստանը համակերպվելու Թուրքիայի եւ Հայաստանի իշխանությունների ձեռքերով իրեն պարտադրվող դիտորդի կարգավիճակով, երբ Հարավային Օսիայի դեպքերը հստակ ապացուցեցին, որ Հարավային Կովկասում Մոսկվան բացարձակապես չի պատրաստվում այդպիսի երկրորդական դեր ստանձնել։ Ո՞րն է նման հակասությունների պատճառը։ 4. Եթե Տեր-Պետրոսյանն իսկապես տեսնում է, որ ՀՀ իշխանությունների կողմից ԼՂ հարցում զիջումներ կորզելու դիմաց «Արեւմուտքը, բնականաբար, պատրաստ է աչք փակել Սերժ Սարգսյանի վերը թվարկված բոլոր արատների վրա, մոռանալ փետրվարի 19-ի խայտառակ ընտրություններն ու մարտի 1-ի ոճրագործությունը, չտեսնելու տալ նրա վարած բռնապետական ներքին քաղաքականությունը, հանդուրժել Հայաստանում ժողովրդավարական ազատությունների սահմանափակման ու մարդու իրավունքների ոտնահարման համատարած երեւույթները եւ հաշտվել քաղբանտարկյալների գոյության փաստի հետ», ապա ինչու՞ անջատելու համար վառված այդ կանաչ լույսը, ձախողելու համար զիջումներ կորզելու այդ պլանը, է'լ ավելի չի ակտիվացնում իր գործողությունները։ Իսկ իրականում Տեր-Պետրոսյանը մի շատ հետաքրքիր, խորամանկ քայլ կատարեց, որի նպատակը տարածաշրջանում զարգացումների ցանկացած սցենարի դեպքում ընդդիմության` ջրից չոր դուրս գալն է։ Եթե իշխանություններն իսկապես նման զիջումների գնան, ապա բոլոր հնարավորությունները կլինեն իշխանափոխության խնդիրը լուծելու համար, քանի որ այդ դեպքում հենց Կոնգրեսը կլինի դիմադրության հիմնական կազմակերպիչը։ Իսկ եթե ոչ, ապա Կոնգրեսը եւ Տեր-Պետրոսյանը հեշտությամբ կհայտարարեն, որ դադար վերցնելու իրենց ճիշտ քաղաքականության շնորհիվ հաջողվեց խուսափել վերահաս վտանգից։ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted October 20, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 The Speech of Levon Ter-Petrosyan at the Rally of October 17, 2008 October 20, 2008 Dear Compatriots, I had promised to you during our rally on September 26 to reveal and explain in detail the strategy of the Popular Movement or the Armenian National Congress without concealing anything from you. Today it is the time to fulfill that promise, therefore, I ask you to be patient and to listen carefully to every word of my speech. I have already had the opportunity to draw your attention to the unprecedented geopolitical situation in which Armenia has found itself lately, putting special emphasis on the fact that our country has never been as vulnerable to external pressure in the 17 years of its independent existence, as it is today. printable version email to friend It is in this dangerous situation that instead of thinking about the interests of our state and the well-being of our people, Serge Sargsyan is worried exclusively about clinging on to power and having his legitimacy recognized. What is more, his recent steps demonstrate that in order to attain his goals he is ready to revise Armenia’s foreign policy doctrine, and instead of preserving the policy of maintaining a balance between Russia and the West, gradually to lean toward the latter. * * * How can we explain Serge Sargsyan’s sharp turn toward the West? After all, he was known up to recently as the most pro-Russian statesman in Armenia. Let us not forget that he is the main architect of the “Property for debt” deal, which ensured the transfer of Armenia’s entire energy system to Russia. Let us also not forget his significant activities in the context of the “Organization of the Collective Security Treaty,” as well the stubborn rumors about his connections to both the Russian intelligence service and the world of organized crime in that country. So what has forced Serge Sargsyan to reject the Russian orientation and tilt toward the West? The reasons, obviously, have nothing to do with Armenia’s strategic or state interests, but rather the simple benefit of solving his legitimacy problem. Russia never questioned Serge Sargsyan’s legitimacy. President Vladimir Putin was among the first to congratulate him even before the official results of the elections had been announced. Sargsyan on his part violated certain diplomatic norms and expressed his gratitude to Russia in such an exaggerated form that it created a difficult situation for that country’s diplomacy. Serge Sargysan has a legitimacy problem in the West. The US president George W. Bush has still not congratulated him. The Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe, meanwhile, continues to threaten sanctions against Armenia, which would seriously undermine Serge Sargsyan’s legitimacy. What this means is that Sargsyan has no expectations from Russia in this issue, and his only hope is to get the West’s endorsement for which he is ready to make any concession. And since given the absence of mineral resources, transit routes and an attractive market, Armenia does not have much to offer the West except for its state interests, he has decided to sacrifice those interests. This claim is supported not only by the conciliatory position he has assumed on the Nagorno-Karabagh conflict and on the issue of normalization of Armenian-Turkish relations, but also - and this is even more important - by his intention to make Armenia’s foreign policy “orientationalist.” Throughout the entire period of independence Armenia has adhered to the principle of maintaining a balance between the West and Russia. Having adopted the Western values of democracy, liberalism, and market economy, Armenia never allowed itself to come under the West’s unilateral influence. On the other hand, having a close economic and military relationship with Russia, Armenia nonetheless did not become the latter’s political satellite. In other words, Armenia has tried to be neither pro-Russian, nor pro-Western, but rather pursue a policy based solely on its state interests. During my presidency this position was called the policy of “balancing,” under Kocharyan it was called the policy of “complementarism,” but the difference here is rather terminological. Serge Sargsyan is thus sharply changing this established order of things, and, in order to protect his personal interests, he is trying to flirt with the West. I consider it a waste of time to assess the advantages or disadvantages of Western or Russian orientations, because I consider any orientation dangerous. What has convinced me in that first and foremost is the experience of the traditional Armenian political thinking, which has had catastrophic consequences for Armenia in the past. In the final analysis, both the genocide that our people was subjected to and the territorial losses the first Republic of Armenia incurred were the consequences of the flawed “orientationalist” thinking. What also convinces me in this is today’s reality. In front of our eyes the adoption of the Western orientation by Georgia confronted that country with a national disaster, which it could have avoided had it pursued a more balanced policy with Russia. If we ignore the empty demonstrations of solidarity and the bluster of anti-Russian rhetoric, the West was unable to do anything to help its junior ally. * * * The politics of orientation is not just an abstraction or a theoretical construct for us. It has a very specific and practical content. By turning his back to Russia and embracing the West, represented by the USA and its ally Turkey, Serge Sargsyan is entrusting the unilateral solution to the most crucial problem of Armenia’s foreign policy - the Karabagh conflict - to them. The basis for reaching such a conclusion is the West’s obvious effort to exclude Russia from the process of resolving the Karabagh conflict. It is most clearly manifested in the transparent statements of Western diplomats, as well as the fact of trilateral negotiations on Karabagh between Armenia, Azerbaijan, and Turkey, especially in the context of conversations regarding the inclusion of Turkey’s representative as a co-chairman in the Minsk Group. By the way, Serge Sargsyan is so dependant on the West now that he could hardly resist the demand to replace Russia with Turkey in the Minsk Group co-chairmanship if such a demand was pressed on him. As a result, there is a threat to the very existence of the Minsk Group, which for the last sixteen years has been the only international mechanism for resolving the Karabagh conflict. Despite its many flaws, the Minsk Group has been the most convenient or optimal format for us, both because the USA and Russia were equally represented in it, and also partly due to the competition that existed between them. It is no coincidence that Azerbaijan has spared no effort for discrediting the Minsk Group as a forum for settling the Karabagh conflict and to replace it with other international fora. Unfortunately, the danger that the integrity of this format will be violated and that Russia will be excluded from it is real, because Russia, being preoccupied with the developments following the conflict with Georgia, will hardly be able to resist the West’s increased involvement in Karabagh. It goes without saying that in case of a resolution to the Karabagh conflict that has been unilaterally sponsored by the West, Russia will be excluded also from the international peacekeeping force that will be deployed there. And that means if not complete eradication of Russia’s influence in the South Caucasus, then its substantial weakening, which entails serious and unpredictable geopolitical consequences, such as suspension of both Armenia’s and Azerbaijan’s participation in the CIS, removal of the Russian base and the Russian frontier troops from Armenia, etc. * * * The change of the Minsk Group format thus implies a unilateral Western solution to the Karabagh problem, with active Turkish participation to boot, which can never be beneficial for Armenia. By the way, realism on this issue demands to say also that a unilateral Russian solution would also not be in Armenia’s interests, since Russia has stated on numerous occasions that it sees such a solution only within the confines of Azerbaijan’s territorial integrity. This, however, is an abstract observation, since there is no threat of a unilateral Russian solution to the problem, mainly because Azerbaijan would never agree to that. Whereas, the opposite, i.e. an exclusively Western, or more specifically American and Turkish, solution is an entirely real prospect, as I tried to demonstrate. Does Serge Sargsyan realize the dangers of jumping into the West’s embrace and granting it the monopoly of resolving the Karabagh conflict and that such a step can lead to a national catastrophe? There is no doubt that he does not. He is trying to play the same game with the West as Robert Kocharyan has played for the last ten years. The essence of that game, which I have explicated in detail in my speech on October 26, 2007, was to pretend that Armenia was genuinely interested in resolving the Karabagh conflict, but in reality to try to sabotage that process and to maintain the status quo. And even though the OSCE mediators have in their turn pretended to believe the sincerity of the Armenian side, it does not mean that they have not understood the latter’s not very sophisticated game. The fact that they have not expended much effort to get the conflict resolved is because on the list of great powers’ priorities Karabagh had an extremely secondary importance. International terrorism, North Korea, the Balkans, Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, the Arab-Israeli conflict, and a multitude of other questions have always obscured the Karabagh problem. If Serge Sargsyan thinks he can continue to play this game, he is fatally mistaken, because he is not taking into account three substantial changes in the geopolitics of the South Caucasus: 1. However paradoxical it may seem, after recognizing Abkhazia’s and South Ossetia’s independence, Russia’s influence in this region is showing tendencies of diminishing rather than increasing in strength; 2. Russia is being forced out of the Minsk Group format, therefore, it is losing its role in the process of resolving the Karabagh conflict; 3. In contrast to the last ten years, the Karabagh problem today has become a priority for the West. The logic driving the West’s policy toward Russia relies on the following: “Very well, you solved the problems in Abkhazia and South Ossetia, now we are going to solve the problem in Nagorno-Karabagh.” What is frustrating about this situation is that as the West could do nothing to prevent Russia from solving the problems in Abkhazia and South Ossetia, Russia in all likelihood will be unable to prevent the West from solving the Karabagh problem. The deepening of the international financial crisis and the threat of that crisis becoming uncontrollable can become the only impediment creating certain obstacles on the path of implementing the West’s plan for resolving the Karabagh conflict. * * * The factor of confronting Russia, however, is only one of the many motives conditioning the West’s behavior, and certainly not the main one. The main factor is Serge Sargsyan’s weakness and the unprecedented opportunity to exploit it. The presence of such levers as the absence of legitimacy, the degree to which he is corrupted, and the vulnerabilities that exist in his moral character, are like a treasure the West has found. Which other leader of Armenia would agree to jump to the West’s embrace so unreservedly, to deepen the cooperation with NATO, to turn its back to Russia, to contribute to its exclusion from the Minsk group, to endorse the creation of the forgotten proposal of a commission of Armenian and Turkish historians, which would raise doubts about the factual veracity of the genocide and torpedo the process of its international recognition, to agree to hold trilateral Armenian-Turkish-Azerbaijani negotiations, and finally, literally to put Nagorno-Karabagh up for sale? In exchange for all of this, the West is naturally ready to turn a blind eye on Serge Sargsyan’s all aforementioned flaws, to forget the scandalous elections of February 19 and the atrocity of March 1, to pretend not to see his dictatorial domestic policy, to tolerate the curbs put on constitutional liberties and the wide-spread human rights violations, and to have the resigned attitude toward the fact of the existence of political prisoners in Armenia. Serge Sargsyan has in essence received a green light from the West to do as he pleases in domestic affairs, which is evidenced by the recent escalation of police violence against the people. This behavior of the West, aside from being immoral and demonstrating that the West is ready to compromise on its values for a very low price, contains an element of conspiracy that is being hatched against Karabagh. Serge Sargsyan either does not feel this danger, or he cannot imagine another method of retaining his power. He has gotten himself into the cauldron of a geopolitical game, the consequences of which are going to be if not catastrophic, then at least unfavorable for Armenia and Karabagh. After the presidential elections in Azerbaijan on October 15 the West and Turkey are going to increase the pressure on Armenia and to speed up the process of resolving the Karabagh conflict, simultaneously, as I already mentioned, trying to exclude Russia from it. Russia will certainly try to counteract against such developments, which are undesirable for it, but how effective, and how beneficial for Armenia Russia’s steps will be, is not clear. We should not ignore the Iranian factor either. Although it is the only country, which has to date pursued a balanced policy in the South Caucasus, having tried to maintain normal relations with Georgia, Azerbaijan, and Armenia, the increased Western and Turkish activism cannot cause a certain level of anxiety there. And it has already done so, which is evidenced by the hastily organized visit of Armenia’s Minister of Foreign Affairs to Iran. Only God knows how Serge Sargsyan is going to figure a way out of this complicated geopolitical situation. If he thinks that by ingratiating himself to the West he can win time and even evade a resolution to the Karabagh conflict, and later somehow mend the fences with Russia, then he really does not understand anything in politics. And if Sargsyan is pinning hopes on the idea that being preoccupied with presidential elections and with the problem of dealing with the financial crisis America is not going to engage in a serious effort to resolve the conflict, he is going to be disappointed, because resolving the conflict in the newly created circumstances is not going to demand too much of the USA. One also cannot fail to take into account the possibility that the outgoing American administration would like to crown its departure with such a success as the resolution of the Karabagh conflict and the normalization of the Armenian-Turkish relations. * * * Thus, it is perfectly obvious that we are standing on the brink of a resolution to the Karabagh conflict. It is also beyond doubt that the Madrid proposal, which the Minsk Group gave to the parties in December, 2007, and which is based on the idea of reconciling two principles of international law - the right to national self-determination and the principle of inviolability of territorial integrity - will be the basis of the new proposal. As for the essence of the resolution or the specific program, it will consist of approximately the following points: 1. Withdrawal of Armenian forces from the Azerbaijani regions surrounding Nagorno-Karabagh; 2. Resettlement of these regions with Azerbaijani refugees; 3. Return of Azerbaijani refugees to the territory of Nagorno-Karabagh itself; 4. Provision of an overland link connecting Nagorno-Karabagh to Armenia through the Lachin corridor; 5. Deployment of peace-keeping forces on across the borders of Nagorno-Karabagh; 6. Demilitarization of the territories that have been returned to Azerbaijan; 7. Lifting of the blockade of Armenia’s and Karabagh’s external communications, and reopening of the Armenian-Turkish border; 8. Definition of an interim status for Nagorno-Karabagh Republic; 9. Conduct of a referendum on the final status of Nagorno-Karabagh in some undefined, future date; 10. Provision of international financial aid for the restoration of the conflict zone. Considering also that apparently an effort is underway to resolve the Karabagh conflict and normalize the Armenian-Turkish relations in a package, we should not rule out the possibility that the package will include the question of the creation of a commission of historians to study the genocide. Since Serge Sargsyan has swallowed the hook on this issue, they are not going to let go of his collar. Of course, we can discuss which of the points listed above are beneficial for Azerbaijan and Turkey and which ones for Armenia, but it is a pointless endeavor, because they can only be appreciated in their entirety and interconnectedness. It is more essential to figure out which points are going especially to complicate the negotiations. Points 3, 4, and 9, which respectively deal with the return of Azerbaijani refugees to Karabagh proper, the definition of the legal status for the Lachin corridor, and the conduct of a referendum in Nagorno-Karabagh are going to be the hardest to resolve. But taking into consideration the latest geopolitical developments, I think these difficulties are not going to be insurmountable for the mediators. What we need to understand is that if up to recently the co-chairmen of the Minsk Group have followed the principle of achieving an agreement among the parties, now the West has the opportunity to impose its preferred solution, i.e. to implement the Dayton variant. It is sad that the same Dayton logic implies that Nagorno-Karabagh will not participate in the resolution process, and its interests in the upcoming fateful negotiations will be represented by Armenia, as the interests of the Bosnian Serbs were represented by Yugoslavia. Soon we are probably going to become the witnesses of Armenia and Azerbaijan participating in a Dayton type conference initiated by the USA and Turkey, where Russia and France as co-chairing countries of the Minks Group will participate, but at best as observers. In this regard, I don’t think the timing of adopting a final resolution on Armenia by the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe - January, 2009 - is chosen by coincidence. That is how much time has been given to Serge Sargsyan to fulfill the promises he has given regarding the resolution of the Karabagh conflict, otherwise the threatened sanctions will finally be imposed. Of course, Serge Sargsyan alone should not be saddled with the responsibility for the current situation. In the final analysis, this is the consequence of Kocharyan administration’s eight-year-long deplorable policy on the resolution of the Karabagh conflict and the normalization of the Armenian-Turkish relations, and for which the responsibility should be shared also by the all coalition governments that came one after the other, the criminalized National Assembly, the official press, the intelligentsia that was fed from the government’s trough and the pocket political parties. Today we are eating the bitter fruits of that policy, as well as the criminal behavior of the kleptocratic system created under Kocharyan. * * * It is beyond doubt that the West is not going to miss this most convenient opportunity to resolve the Karabagh conflict, which threatens to confront the Armenian authorities with extremely serious problems. It is not clear from the latter’s behavior and statements whether they realize the seriousness of the situation, and if they do, what measures they are taking to confront this dangerous challenge. Meanwhile, there are certain obvious steps that can be taken to blunt the external pressures and to improve the Armenian authorities’ positions in the upcoming negotiations. By measures I do not mean the empty calls to unity directed at the Armenian nation, which Serge Sargsyan recently made in his address to the representatives of the Armenian community of the USA, but very specific political initiatives, such as: 1. Alleviating the political and social tensions in Armenia, ensuring the primacy of the law, ceasing to put curbs on democratic freedoms, stopping the unrestrained violations of human rights, uprooting the wide-spread corruption, stopping the plunder of the country’s wealth, which goes on unpunished, getting rid of unscrupulous and criminalized officials, restoring the independence of legislative and judicial branches of power, starting a constructive dialogue with the society - in a word, neutralizing all those things that have become levers in the hands of the outside world for putting pressure on Armenia; 2. Improving the relations with Russia and work out the disputes that have lately arisen in those relations. Doing everything to prevent Russia’s exclusion from the Minsk Group on the basis of the simple realization that violation of the balance between the West and Russia in the process of settling the Karabagh conflict promises nothing good; 3. Making an effort to achieve clarity on the issue of the referendum on Karabagh’s status, demanding specificity on the following points in particular: - Who is going to organize the referendum? The UN, the OSCE, Azerbaijan, or Karabagh? - When is the referendum going to take place? - What territory is the referendum going to cover? - Who is going to participate in the referendum? - What is going to be the formulation of the referendum question? - What kind of legal consequences is the referendum going to have? 4. Abandoning the discredited practice of Armenia speaking on behalf of Karabagh in the negotiating process, and demanding instead to restore the previous format of those negotiations, where, following the decision adopted during OSCE’s Budapest summit in 1994, Nagorno-Karabagh was recognized as a full party to the conflict. It should not be allowed to decide Karabagh’s fate without its participation, because one can hardly imagine a worse violation of the right to self-determination than that. 5. Taking into account the disconcerting fact that after the recognitions of Kosovo, Abkhazia, and South Ossetia the problem of Karabagh in a certain sense has been left out of the general context of resolving the frozen conflicts, perhaps it is time to think about the possibility of the National Assembly putting forward an initiative to recognize Karabagh’s independence. Serge Sargsyan should not feel obligated to react to that initiative. But having the National Assembly’s decision, while leaving the question of ratifying that decision suspended, he will get a big opportunity to maneuver in response to the external pressures during the upcoming negotiations. The situation is not an ordinary one, and hence it demands extraordinary steps, diplomatic magic and flights of imagination. * * * Being one of the most influential forces in Armenia’s political life, the Popular Movement or the Armenian National Congress has an obligation to outline its position in this situation. If you remember, in one of my previous speeches I had stated that in our political struggle we put national and state interests above everything, and that in case of a military threat against Karabagh I would appeal to the participants of the movement and ask them to suspend their activities and take up the sacred cause of the national struggle. The imminent resolution of the Karabagh conflict is equivalent to a military threat given the dangers that it contains, and, therefore, I think it makes the fulfillment of that appeal imperative. We are not talking, of course, about a complete suspension of the activities of the movement, but only about a temporary stop to the mass rallies and marches throughout the republic. Especially, since the suspension is not going to last long, because the untangling of this process is a matter of two-three months. And if that process is extended due to new circumstances, for instance, because of the deepening of the international financial crisis, we will always have the opportunity to make corrections in our strategy and resume the actions of mass protest whenever necessary. I confess that this is a momentous decision, which is difficult to accept at first glance, and which will become subject to all sorts of judgments. It should therefore be easier to understand how serious and well-founded the reasons are that have determined the need to make such a decision. To appreciate that need we have to take into account the following. The activity of the movement automatically weakens Serge Sargsyan’s positions and expands the opportunities for putting pressures on him from the outside in the current context of a sharp turn in the process of resolving the Karabagh conflict following the Russian-Georgian conflict. In other words, there is danger that the opposition can unwittingly become a tool in the hands of the external forces. The behavior of these forces, therefore, could be considered as doubly immoral: on one hand they tolerate, or one could even say they encourage the repressions unleashed against the opposition by the Armenian authorities, and on the other hand they are trying to exploit that same opposition’s activity to their sinister ends. To fall into this trap would be an inexcusable mistake and a case of political shortsightedness. Moreover, it would fundamentally contradict the Popular Movement’s main tenet, which rests on the principle of the primacy of state interests. Consequently, being sincerely in favor of both resolving the Karabagh conflict and normalizing the Armenian-Turkish relations in a speedy manner, we do not want to prevent the Armenian authorities from solving these problems. By suspending our activities we only want to shield them from external pressures and from the need to make unnecessary concessions. There are also certain tactical considerations for taking this step, but I do not consider it necessary to reveal them, since as I have had the opportunity to point out before, if tactics are revealed they cease to be tactics. I realize very well that the governing camp is going to scoff at our decision to stop even temporarily the actions of mass protest, and that there are going to be complaints and doubts in the ranks of the popular movement. But I want to dash the hopes of the scoffers and calm the doubters. Looking for elements of retreat or a deal with the authorities in our decision is not a serious endeavor. In a few months everybody is going to be convinced how justified and well-founded this decision was. The suspension of rallies and marches throughout the republic does not mean that the Movement is pulling out of the struggle or withdrawing the demands that it has put forward, which include the immediate release of the political prisoners, the establishment of a real democracy and the rule of law in the country, the conduct of pre-term presidential and parliamentary elections. To the contrary, we are convinced that this move is going to accelerate the realization of these goals. In the upcoming months the Movement is going to concentrate its activities mainly on organizational work and on the formation of the structures of the Armenian National Congress in order to prepare for the founding convention of the Congress, which is going to become an important event in the political life of Armenia, and which is simultaneously going to prepare the grounds for even more populous public events if organizing them becomes necessary. Parallel to that, we are going to continue with smaller acts of protest, with participating actively in the political trials, with endorsing and defending our own candidates in the local elections, with the campaign of raising public awareness through the distribution of DVDs and through the print media, with our own investigation into the crime of March 1 and the revelation of the real culprits of that crime. It is significant that we are taking this decision not when the Movement is in decline, but when it is in ascendancy, i.e. during the most populous rally since March 1, which is the best manifestation of both the power and the capacity to restraint of the Armenian National Congress. Thus in the upcoming months we will become witness to very important events connected to Karabagh and to the fate of the Armenian statehood, which in this juncture make internal political problems secondary. We are going to follow very carefully the progression of those events, to assess how adequate the Armenian authorities’ moves are given the situation, to keep the society informed on the process of resolving the Karabagh conflict, and to try to prevent or minimize the threat to the interests of the Armenian side. We expect the same kind of concern from all the healthy political and civic organizations, which care about the future of the nation and the state. In the end I would ask you not to make hasty conclusions from my speech, but rather to form an opinion about it after reading it in tomorrow’s newspapers. I hope that this speech will finally jump start a long overdue debate regarding the Karabagh problem, in the process of which many things will become clearer to you. I thank you for your attention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted October 22, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 WE HAVE A SUPREME GOAL http://www.armtown.com/img/photo/has_en_299394937.jpgTo Achieve The Pro-Armenian Settlement Of The Conflict Does Ter-Petrosyan really intend not to “pressurize” Armenian authorities in this “fatal” moment for the country, not to make it vulnerable towards the external impacts? Is this the reason why he announced during his last meeting about his intention to freeze the demonstration-based activeness of the opposition or it was pretence to save his face? MP, RPA Press Secretary Edward Sharmazanov answers our questions. “It is not a secret that the demonstration-based activeness was extinguishing and society is well aware of this fact. I have already said and I must repeat that the times of demagogy is over and the opposition would rather shift their struggle from the demonstration-based to the constructive field. As regards the announcements made by Ter-Petrosyan naturally I don’t agree to his assessments and commentaries. We, the Republican Party, coalition, and me personally, as an MP, have already expressed our stance regarding Karabakh and by the way from the high tribune of the Parliament. And I don’t see any reason for anxiety. Armenia will never agree to any type of concession, which contradicts our national interests. But each political force decides its course of action on its own – to hold meetings or to freeze their demonstration-based activeness, for unknown reasons. It is the monopoly of that particular political force. It is another issue that each political force, be it pro-oppositional or pro-governmental, must be guided by the principle of the supremacy of the national interests and if the first President is sincere in his intentions, we can only welcome his action. If not, if he simply speculates, national state interests, then I must say that I don’t consider it moral.” ”In your view is Levon Ter-Petrosyan sincere or he simply maneuvers?” “I don’t want to give assessments. As you know the party, the coalition has its own project, and by the leadership of the President we are implementing this project. We and me personally, as a member of RPA faction, meet with the voters every Saturday-Sunday. We visit the regions and we are well aware of the people’s problems. Which means the ruling power is not detached from the people. For the first time in our reality the President addressed the people from the tribune of the National Assembly and not only did he speak about our achievements but also the negative phenomena that exist among society and why not the pyramid of the ruling power. Thus the President stated over again that he is determined to put into practice his pre-election program and that his words don’t differ from his deeds. It is the problem of the opposition whether or not they will hold demonstrations and what type of announcements they will make regarding Karabakh issue. The President clearly introduced his goals from the UN tribune and in my view Armenia’s stance towards the settlement of Karabakh issue is not a secret for anyone. Which is – the settlement of the issue must be based on the principle of supremacy of nations’ right to self-determination. Secondly – the stance of the President is based not only on his own project or that of the Republican Party, but it is clearly enshrined in Armenia’s national strategy program. We have a supreme goal to do our best to achieve the pro-Armenian settlement of the conflict. Of course better if it happens in the nearest future, but we never intend to take swift actions, because it can lead to anti-Armenian settlement of the issue. No one is as interested in the pro-Armenian settlement of the conflict as Serge Sargsyan, someone who unlike others hasn’t changed his stance towards the settlement of Karabakh conflict. He has voiced this stance in 1993 and 1998 opposing Vazgen Sargsyan and Robert Kocharyan who approved the version of the phazal settlement of the conflict proposed by Ter-Petrosyan.LILIT POGHOSYAN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaumian Posted December 9, 2008 Report Share Posted December 9, 2008 Ter-Petrossian has done as much, if not more harm to Armenians than Abdul Hamid and the Young Turk triumvirate. Under his misrule the economy has been wrecked to such a degree that production today is still below the 1989 level. As a result, one-third of the population has fled the country. Our fatherland went from a modern, developed country to a poverty-stricken nightmare. That Ter-Petrossian is not in prison is inhumane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashot Posted December 9, 2008 Report Share Posted December 9, 2008 (edited) do we really want to start this mad house talk of good cop bad cop stuff again??? here is a simple example for you - there is a Super Moderator to the forum, then there is the Moderators, then the Nobility, then the regular members and at last but not least the guests. HOWEVER - there is the owner that can take away the powers from the Super Moderator and all the others. Now the Super Moderator and the "owner" not to mention the third guy called the "designer" of the forum may have a room where they discuss stuff amongst themselves, then comes the Moderating team, the Super Moderator presents the ideas to the Moderators. Moderators bring it up to the Nobility and then Nobility to the public. GET THE PICTURE? Before you cry who shot Kenedy, why won't you ask why was he shot. Before you accuse 1 person for the shooting catch the other 10 that organized it. You really want to know what happened in the ears of "dark and cold" become one of the men that stood against an army 10 times as powerful as you and 100 times larger. Do you really think and believe that we fought so hard that we gained their armory and their guns to fight them back? Why can't you ask yourself how did Armenia come up with the "war banned artillery" to withstand the might of the opposing army? Is it that hard to guess that it had to be bought? The next question you might want to ask yourself is where did they get the money from, after leaving the Soviet Union they had NOTHING to begin with, a war with no money. The following question is what would you do if you just broke up from Soviet Union, you have no one to back you up, and you have Azerbadrjan, Furkey, Israel and US up on your neck? Once you answer to all these questions then you can come back in here and criticize on what happened to your Fatherland and blindly call those who wan you a war a murderer. Yet until today Azerbadrjan fears the Armenian army because we still have the banned weapons and artillery, yes even the US wanted it out of Armenia back in the days, but thanks to our Soviet counterparts, thanks to our negotiations we still have them and even Furkey fears to do anything about it. You think it was that hard for Furkey to step into the war alongside the Azerbadrjanis and start a war from the other side? No, it was the fear of the banned war weapons. I must stop now, I am probably attracting too many eyes on my posts. Edited December 9, 2008 by Ashot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted December 9, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 9, 2008 Ashi jan inchu e s j@ghaynanum ??? hangist barekam espes g@na qo voerch@ lav chi linelu, mi stress rilif vacation gna aper es amen inch @ shablon dartsats barrer en.. mardiq meghavor chen ashot jan.. asum en en inch tesnum en urishner@ aselis, k@rknum en iyn inch hesht e hishel@ yve k@lanel@ .. vorjin hashvov sut chk@ vori kes jisht chi, yev vochmek@ h@reshtak chi soooo voch levoni voch el serji hamar haves ch@ka hangist g@luxt g@lxatsavi tak dnes.... hangstatsuy ari dzuk b@rnelu etanq kiraki or@ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashot Posted December 9, 2008 Report Share Posted December 9, 2008 Mos jan, big bear mihat cabinem uzum vekalem es che bayc hajort shapat orvanic minchev yeregshabti or@, inch xorurt ktas, inch hamarner ktas vor mihat reserve anem, u gnam hangstanam mi 4 or? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted December 9, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 9, 2008 Mos jan, big bear mihat cabinem uzum vekalem es che bayc hajort shapat orvanic minchev yeregshabti or@, inch xorurt ktas, inch hamarner ktas vor mihat reserve anem, u gnam hangstanam mi 4 or? Aper Qenekalis' Haroutin zangi / inq@ mi qanisin gity or qez lav arjeq k@tan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edoman Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 Barav Joghovourt I am new here. Nothing like starting your first post with conspiracy theory. Hahahaha OK here we go This could be all about the Gas pipeline to be constructed from Baku to Central Europe since Russia will not allow Western powers to use Georgia (we saw what happened there). I could be wrong but Plan 1- Convince Armenia with major economic insentives and border openings. Force them to forget the AG bill in congress, make friends with Turks and Azeri, Give land back to Azeris, drop Russia as a ally and……do whatever they want. Armenia will grow and prosper….OR Plan2- Azerebijan will attack as promised, Turkey will bomb electrical powerplants in winter claiming Armenia is harboring PKK terrorists. Invade Armenia and build their gas pipe straight from Sangachal (Azerbijan) to Erzurum (Turkey) avoiding Iran and Russia. It will also go the other way to Turkmenistan then down to Afghanistan. Far fetch? Maybe, probably….but what if there is truth to it. It is worth considering. Armenian President cannot talk about this in public and he could be in a bad situation with threats of invasion and occupation, even with Russian presence. See Map and proposed pipelines. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Baku_pipelines.svg Sheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yervant1 Posted January 15, 2009 Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 Hi Edoman, welcome to Hyeforum! Can't wait to read your second post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edoman Posted January 15, 2009 Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 Hi Edoman, welcome to Hyeforum! Can't wait to read your second post. Thanks for the welcome. I know this sounds far fetch, I am not one for conspiracy theories but knowing how this world works and what driving forces are used…it really becomes simple…simple as one word…….GREED The Afghanistan Oil Pipeline was a project proposed by several oil companies to transport oil from Azerbaijan and Central Asia through Afghanistan to Pakistan or India. (then to the ocean) At the end of 1990s, the American Unocal Corporation considered in addition to the Trans-Afghanistan Gas Pipeline building also a 1,000 miles long oil pipeline to link Turkmenistan to Pakistan's Arabian Sea Coast. It would provide a possible alternative export route for regional oil production from the Caspian Sea. Problem #1 Taliban not folding under pressure Some critics have proposed that the real motive for invading Afghanistan was its importance as a conduit for oil pipelines from Azerbaijan to Afghanistan's neighboring countries. Others have argued that the pipeline was not a significant reason for the invasion of Afghanistan, firstly because most western governments and oil companies prefer an export route from the Caspian Sea to Azerbaijan and Georgia and on to the Black Sea over the one through Afghanistan. Problem #2 Russian recent reaction U.S. oil companies and their friends in the State Department have always looked at the prospect of gaining access to the huge oil/ natural gas reserves in the Caspian/Central Asia region. (Estimates value around $4 trillion). The American Petroleum Institute calls the region "the area of greatest resource potential outside of the Middle East." And while he was still CEO of Halliburton, the world's biggest oil services company, Vice President Dick Cheney told other industry executives, "I can't think of a time when we've had a region emerge as suddenly to become as strategically significant as the Caspian." The struggle to control these huge resources has given rise to a "new Great Game," pitting shifting alliances of governments and oil and gas consortia against one another." If there was a direct route from Caspian Sea to the Black Sea then no problems anymore….leave Afghanistan and forget about Georgia’s route. They may think, Armenians? No problem, Turks will even make them build it for us….well they don’t know Armenians too well. Again very unlikely but it is burning in my head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yervant1 Posted January 15, 2009 Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 Again very unlikely but it is burning in my head. You can relax and let that fire burn out, there is hardly any oil out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashot Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 Edoman jan, there are few issues here... First, Iran and Russia will not tolerate anything. Second, they don't want to go through Armenia, nor Georgia, nor Afganistan. Furkey wants this oil for themselves not to sell... One thing bothering, ARMENIA, which Russia will not let anything to happen to no matter what, they will go to world war III but they won't let anything happen to Armenia, as it's a key country in their strategy. They still need their ally to keep a connection with Iran. I don't know if I am explaining myself right or wrong, however, yes it is a pipeline issue, along with change of history, along with ARMENIAN DEMANDS. They will do everything and anything in their powers as of today to take care of our country but they can't as US and a break in the ice Israelis are starting to support us! Politics in Armenia is very strong and it follows the politics in Russia, which is a very wise thing to do as of today! Russia will support Armenia no matter what! there are just too many facts proving this point! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyTerrain Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 Ter-Petrossian has done as much, if not more harm to Armenians than Abdul Hamid and the Young Turk triumvirate. Under his misrule the economy has been wrecked to such a degree that production today is still below the 1989 level. As a result, one-third of the population has fled the country. Our fatherland went from a modern, developed country to a poverty-stricken nightmare. That Ter-Petrossian is not in prison is inhumane. Almost makes me cry, I hope he dies of painful cancer with his entire family for what he has done. I don't understand why he's still allowed to run. Probably the European condom-headed leaders are pressuring our government to go easy on him. Not that I like the current criminals but they are angels compared to Levon, may he die of AIDS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted January 20, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 tsavali e shat tsavali Barekam@s anetsq@ lav ban chi, zgush & heru m@na anetsqits... chem asum te arjani che... Yev togh mez uzbardis mer, vorbes - And forgive us our trespasses Yev menk toghoomk merotz bardabanantz - As we forgive those who trespass against us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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