WAR IN GEORGIA

[MyTerrain]

Hello I made a number of videos on the subject:

 

U.S. puppets in the Caucasus stage performance..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFdXnLCFGDI

 

Support the Ossetians..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rFAPE9C-tI

 

 

[shiner]

This conflict has nothing to do with Ossetia's independence. That's just a front. There are much deeper issues beneath it.

[MyTerrain]

This conflict has nothing to do with Ossetia's independence. That's just a front. There are much deeper issues beneath it.

 

I know Oil/gas pipelines, Iran and surrounding Russia with NATO states.

WE MUST STRENGTHEN OUR ALLIANCE WITH RUSSIA.

[shiner]

I know Oil/gas pipelines, Iran and surrounding Russia with NATO states.

WE MUST STRENGTHEN OUR ALLIANCE WITH RUSSIA.

 

Do you mean we should strengthen our alliance with Russia to avoid trouble with Putin or are there other reasons?

Edited August 18, 2008 by shiner

[MosJan]

Do you mean we should strengthen our alliance with Russia to avoid trouble with Putin or are there other reasons?

 

 

Russia has Armenia from his balls - can't get much closer then that

[MyTerrain]

Do you mean we should strengthen our alliance with Russia to avoid trouble with Putin or are there other reasons?

 

Other reasons... Azeris may try what Stalinashvili tried to do.

We need somebody to guard the border with the turds.

 

[Armen Half-Celt]

I'm not exactly clear on the paticulars and history of the conflict between South Ossetia and Georgia but I believe (from what I have learned) it is logical to support that The Ossetians deserve the right to self detirmination, much like the people of Artsakh. Edited August 27, 2008 by Armen Half-Celt

[hosank]

WE MUST STRENGTHEN OUR ALLIANCE WITH RUSSIA.

you mean we can be closer to our beloved orthodox 'ally'? i mean,they already control 95% of our energy resources, a third of our telecommunications lines, all of the prostitution business...(helzz yaa)

if anything, this war showed me one thing...what if that was armenia? what if armenia decided to run things for itself for a change? russia would find some sort of a reason to bring us to reason too no? come up with something like "we support the right for the people of Lori district for independence..bla bla...lori was never a part of armenia, it was given to them by the soviets...etc" then of course they will just stop calling it Lori, but call it Lor, stating it to be its original name (just like sukhumi became sukhum, and tskinvali became tskinval) next thing we know, we'll have the soviet-oups sorry, russian army within 50kms of yerevan.

 

i don't know about the rest of you but i find russia's friendship with armenia to be alittle too...i donno..is it still a friendship?

 

look, i support abkhaz/ossets will for independence, but both these peoples compose only about a fragment of their territory. there are as many armenians in abkhazia as there are abkhaz, which compose only a third of the population: and that's not counting the 250 000 georgians who were ethnically cleansed from the region. similar situation in south ossetia.

the root of the problem was the georgian civil war and ultra-nationalistic tendencies towards those peoples (which georgia now aknowledges to be a mistake..)

but never the less, if i were an abkhaz i would probably want to stay in some sort of loose confederation with georgia, because georgia has boosted its economy recently and is getting interesting investments, and since georgia is a relatively small state with a more or less democratic system, the abkhaz and ossets which since war and isolation have remained quite poor would certainly benefit, and work a deal with georgia for better democratic representation and so on...where as in the vastness that is russia, i don't think that these two little 'independent' nothings will really be of interest for moscow once the hype about russian aid and all that dissapears. plus they will be stuck in an ever increasingly autocratic russia.

 

now having said that, i still think sakaashvili was a fool. the 53rd russian regiment in the caucasus alone has 3 times the fighting men 5 times the tanks and 12 times the airpower as the entire georgian army, yet they still went for tskinvali knowing the russians would counterattack, i don't see what he tought he could achieve. so ya, granted the georgians fired the first shots, but the russians had engineered, or at least influenced the events of the past year or so leading to the war. sakaashvili was dumb enough to fall into the trap.

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=AfRHMbz2nuU

russian mig shooting down a georgian drone

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=Of1GqbfX_dU

(this is from only a week before the war started. the largest russian military exercise in its history, with the largest military district only coincidentally happening 30 kms from s. ossetia a week before the war..the journalist actually hints that they may be used agains "agression from the south"..amazing)

 

within 2 hours of of fighting, russian language medias (if any of you were watching) were already screaming Геносид (Genocide) refering to the grads firing on tskinvali, and within a day or two, they were reporting 2000 dead. we know now that only 20% of the buildings in the city were hit, and only 10% were seriously damaged, and only some 400 people were confirmed dead. since the russians pushed georgian forces back, many georgian villages still in ossetia were ethnically cleansed and their occupants raped and robbed. many of these villages were closed to EU observers as it was reported that even a month after the war they were still being pillaged.

 

the russians had accused georgia of using cluster bombs, and EU observers concluded it was not the case, but found russian made unexploded cluster bombs around the hospital in Gori georgia (russia flatly denied it of course..) infact more attrocities were committed by ossetic militiamen against georgian civilians than vice-versa (though in war trajedies happen on both sides)

 

it is clear that the war has nothing to do with russia's desire for the protection of human rights, or its citizens (anyone who believes that needs just to visit Grozny in chechnia, even today its terrible..i was unfortunate enough to pass by in 2003..i'm not going back) here is what i think happened: georgia just returned from a NATO summit where it was barred entry because of unresolved territorial issue, thus they thought that if they quickly took them back they would remain unopposed...this was perfect for russia who had been looking for an opportunity to 'punish' georgia for its western attitudes since 2004 and also show the world that the caucasus is still part of moscow's soviet empire. this was also meant to other states of the region who may make the mistake of leaving russia's wing.

 

one state that understood that message is none other than azerbaijan. when the war started, azerbaijan was very (and only) vocal about its support of its GUAM "ally" when they started the war which mirrored their own efforts in Artsax, they were totally silent in the week where georgia got their arses handed to them. and then we all witnessed aliyev in moscow speaking of the great historic cultural alliance between the azeri and russian peoples..and signing all kinds of wide reaching economic and friendship treaties that medvedev was putting on the desk, with the promise that russia's acceptance of the 2 breakaways was not a precedent for Artsax (even though if anything artsax is probably the only one that deserves recognition).

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=ptL0sMtEbkU

(notice how this RT report is suddenly different from earlier ones?...for instance before this treaty, azerbaijan was somewhat more volatile towards russia, and thus RT reports always mentionned that Artsax was traditionnaly armenian and annexed to azerbaijan during bolchevik times etc. suddenly, we only get comments such as "armenian populated region in azerbaijan" and "bone of contention"..hm...funny how unbias and fair russian media can be)

 

armenia on the other hand was the only state NOT to take sides, except for that of the victims. Armenia was not affraid to step in for the side of justice, asking both parties, including russia to step down. armenia also took in georgian and foreign refugees from tiflis. we did not recognise the two states with russia, for the same reason we didn't recognise kosovo. and sakaashvili thanked us for our support when sarkssian visited Tiflis right after, which gained us a few interesting economic deals with georgia (and by extention access to the black sea and the EU), and closer ties (at the expense of azerbaijan who betrayed them). Now, we are being punished. russia is hiking up gas prices, and saying that the best way to resolve the NAGORNO NAGORNO KARABAKH Armenian Republic of ARTSAX Armenian Republic of ARTSAX" is to give it back to azerbaijan. this is the country that provoqued a war and internationl resentment in order to protect the 'right so sovereignty' of two little breakaways in georgia.

for those who till now believed that russia's "help" for us was only due to good will between 'orthodox brothers' should see that it is quite simple: azerbaijan has oil, russia wants to control oil markets to the west. Armenia has nothing..."screw armenia". it is that simple we are disposable allies to them, yet we are still expected to stay inline.

 

look, i have nothing against russian people...well especially russian women...and i would greatly respect friendship with russia, but i thought we took down the hammer and sycle banners 17 years ago. maybe its time we searched for new options...

in the end i pray for those who died in the name of stupidity..all of which were christians...in this ugly fratricide.

 

there is one way i will trust russia more is that if they recognise North-Ossetia/alania as well..then we will see if they care so much about Self. Determ.

 

how about coming up with a law banning foreign government crown corporations from owning armenian infrastructure (Gazprom???) for starters?

 

cheerio...

Edited October 17, 2008 by hosank

[hosank]

NAGORNO NAGORNO NAGORNO NAGORNO KARABAKH Armenian Republic of ARTSAX Armenian Republic of ARTSAX Armenian Republic of ARTSAX Armenian Republic of ARTSAX

 

and for the love of god will you stop editing when i write "nagorni Kara bakh"? i was using it in bloody quotation marks..

Edited October 17, 2008 by hosank

[MosJan]

it's a filter

[garmag]

Russia has Armenia from his balls - can't get much closer then that

 

Dear MosJan,

 

Just for the heck could you please tell us which country on earth is'nt held by the balls by something or someone?????

Please do take it lightly as I was amused when I could'nt name even one ...

 

Garo el Halabi

Edited October 18, 2008 by garmag

[hosank]

Just for the heck could you please tell us which country on earth is'nt held by the balls by something or someone????

the vatican

their balls are too holy to be held by anyone

 

but on a serious notes its not just a story of another country touching our balls, but really of trying to snatch them, or giving them a rash..which is not the case for all state-state relations

[MosJan]

FORMER SENIOR OSCE OFFICIALS SAY GEORGIA STARTED BLOODY WAR IN SOUTH OSSETIA

• http://www.armtown.com/img/photo/pan_en_27629.jpgTwo former British military officers are expected to give crucial evidence against Georgia when an international inquiry is convened to establish who started the country’s bloody five-day war with Russia in August, The Sunday Times reports. Ryan Grist, a former British Army captain, and Stephen Young, a former RAF wing commander, are said to have concluded that, before the Russian bombardment began, Georgian rockets and artillery were hitting civilian areas in the breakaway region of South Ossetia every 15 or 20 seconds. Their accounts seem likely to undermine the American-backed claims of President Mikhail Saakashvili of Georgia that his little country was the innocent victim of Russian aggression and acted solely in self-defense. During the war both Grist and Young were senior figures in the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE). The organization had deployed teams of unarmed monitors to try to reduce tension over South Ossetia, which had split from Georgia in the early 1990s. On the night war broke out, Grist was the senior OSCE official in Georgia. He was in charge of unarmed monitors who became trapped by the fighting. Based on their observations, Grist briefed European Union diplomats in Tbilisi, the Georgian capital, with his assessment of the conflict. Grist, who resigned from the OSCE shortly afterwards, has told The New York Times it was Georgia that launched the first military strikes against Tskhinvali, the South Ossetian capital. “It was clear to me that the [Georgian] attack was completely indiscriminate and disproportionate to any, if indeed there had been any, provocation,” he said. “The attack was clearly, in my mind, an indiscriminate attack on the town, as a town.” He said he had made it "very clear" at a briefing to ambassadors there was a "severe escalation". "It would give the Russian Federation any excuse it needed in terms of trying to support its own troops," Grist said. Bernard Kouchner, the French foreign minister who helped broker the ceasefire that ended the war and has been a fierce critic of the Russian invasion of Georgia, is tomorrow due to announce a commission of inquiry into the conflict at a meeting of EU foreign ministers in Brussels. The inquiry will be chaired by a Swiss expert as a mark of independence and will try to establish who was to blame for the conflict. European and OSCE sources say it is likely to seek evidence from the two former British officers. The inquiry comes as the EU softens its hardline position towards Russia amid mounting European skepticism about Saakashvili’s judgment.