HyeFedayis Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 ERZURUM - The Turkish Association for Fight Against Unfounded Genocide Allegations (ASIMED) launched an e-mail campaign against Wikipedia urging it to remove the "Semi-Protection" lock over the article on Armenian allegations concerning the incidents of 1915. Chairman of Asimed, Assistant Professor Savas Egilmez, said the best thing about Wikipedia was its feature allowing users to edit (make corrections, deletions and additions) in articles published on the website. "When you browse the English version of Wikipedia which publishes its content in various languages, one notices an issue in complete contrast with the Wikipedia principles. In the english website while the article on Armenian allegations concerning the incidents of 1915 contain all the thesis of the Armenian diaspora, the Turkish thesis are excluded," said Egilmez. "The web site allows users to make editions in all subjects, but it does not allow edition of the article on Armenian allegations. The site only provides the theses of the Armenian diaspora. This is a great injustice against the Turkish Nation." Egilmez said they started an e-mail campaign to stop this injustice and asked Turkish nationals to support it by sending e-mails to the web site`s administrators (wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org) . Wikipedia has a "Protection policy" allowing administrators to protect a page to restrict editing or moving of that page, and remove such protection. "Editing or moving of a page can be restricted by administrators. As Wikipedia is built around the principle that anyone can edit it, this should only be done in certain situations," says the policy. Under the policy there are four types of protection. -Full protection, -Semi-protection , -Creation protection, -Move protection. Though the policy says "Semi-protection in particular, should not be used to settle content disputes" currently there is a "Semi-protection" lock over the article on Armenian theses concerning the incidents of 1915. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HyeFedayis Posted April 1, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 One of the spammers trying to spread propaganda. erhan_akan at hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoComment Posted April 2, 2008 Report Share Posted April 2, 2008 (edited) They gonna try to make it happen even on Wikipedia, to present the Genocide as an armenian allegation. Be aware that we have in front of us a State and that they have huge resources to spread their propaganda. What do you think if on Wikipedia for example "the Turkish thesis" will be included as a en encyclopaedic one? Looking to whats happen on the net, its seems to be a matter of time. What do you think? a real or a too pessemistic "point of view"? Edited April 2, 2008 by NoComment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VartanM Posted April 2, 2008 Report Share Posted April 2, 2008 Not gonna happen, Wikipedia blocked all the emails coming to that topic in their mailing list. Regular editors of wikipedia are well aware of the article and deniers are frowned upon. One of them was banned (6 months) from editing any article relating to Armenian Genocide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoComment Posted April 2, 2008 Report Share Posted April 2, 2008 don´t you think that this can change in the futur, when numerous well prepared denialist after pressure (see the related article) in the name of equity-equality gonna make possible the "discussion" as they succeed to do it in the mind of western politics and journalist? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VartanM Posted April 2, 2008 Report Share Posted April 2, 2008 Only if the denialists succeed in adding the Nazi view to the Holocaust article, will they be able to add a substantial turkish view to the Armenian Genocide article. That is entirely impossible with current wikipedia rules. I can say, that the only thing that this article accomplished so far, is spaming the talkpage of the article by uneducated turks, who barely speak English. And as the article mentions the article is semi-protected, and requires registration for them to be able to alter it. Any significant changes are promptly reverted, most of the time by non Armenian editors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HyeFedayis Posted April 3, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 3, 2008 (edited) This won't happen they are not experienced in wikipedia and they do not know the holes and walls. I am handling a few of these idiots, and believe me they are failing horribly. But if more Armenian members sign up there and contribute to Armenian articles, and get involved it will definitely help us fight Turkish propagandists. Edited April 3, 2008 by HyeFedayis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoComment Posted April 3, 2008 Report Share Posted April 3, 2008 Thank you for this assurance remarks The quality in some publics forums and bloggs of the ones who are defending the turkish thesis are drastically increasing in a dramatic way, in some cases they succeed to present it in such a way that the armenians who didn´t control the subject is speechless or act like they used to do by being impolite, they succeed to put a doubt what if the "turkish" members signing up in Wikipedia and contributing to Armenian articles are increasing drastically? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HyeFedayis Posted April 3, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 3, 2008 Well there is alot of Turks already, you just need to follow simple rules and you will have admin support (most important). 1. Don't do threats, no cussing, be polite etc to other members. 2. Don't do edit wars. 3. Back up your claims with sources. (books.google.com, hundreds of books) Just follow these simple rules and you can have more authority than a dozen Turks, admins always pick out the aggressor, the disruptive one. We used to have a Jewish admin help us alot, but he hasn't been active so its damaged us. But he still comes on sometimes and bashes Turks hard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoComment Posted April 3, 2008 Report Share Posted April 3, 2008 (edited) Thank you I want to point out an another thing. Everyone knows that we are very closely supervised by our dear friend, thing that they often mentionned when they do quote some arguments to desquilify us and present ourselves as extremist What can be the reasons of the following: (I take an example wich occured here but which happen in other places) http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=17289 Some "intruders", using sometimes armenian names or alike, here "artusian" who did add the same topic simultaneously in an another forum, post topics in order to open a discussion which often goes in a direction. And they desappear after a short time NoComment: yeah right Anahid the respons of this denialism was to denial the Shoah by using racistic terms as to qualify ALL the J community the BIG problem here is that only one did react to this crap (Vava), and I wonder why they didn´´t delete this thread You are just giving a reason 1) to the J community not to support the resolution 2) to the J community who support this resolution to think about it twice and you are indeed helping the furkish people to present us as racist, antisemit and extremist Just keep doing this As Artusian did, in the opposit, others can use this thread to show how we are, even if a simple topic doesn´t representant nothing as this so called doctor In Europe, in France especially, some journalists and some politicians did use ”topics" and "arguments” (which were absolutely non representativ) from the Internet to developp their point of vue during the debate around the law condemning the denialism of the armenian genocide, and this dear lady against us Edited April 3, 2008 by NoComment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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