garmag Posted March 21, 2008 Report Share Posted March 21, 2008 Instead of debating theoretically about what should be done, I suggest a win-win idea that could effectively contribute in all it's facets , the betterment of Armenia as well as the participent. My proposition to all forum members (those who can afford $200.00 / month for an academic year) to find and sponsor High School graduates , who wish to continue studies in one of the institutions within Armenia or Artsakh. In the long run these aspirants could become contributors in elevating the social fabric of our nation. We can then post the names of the students that have chosen to study in our homelamd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVO Posted March 21, 2008 Report Share Posted March 21, 2008 Such program already exists http://www.birthrightarmenia.org/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvLZl_JCBIk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goDEuNwRXSI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted March 21, 2008 Report Share Posted March 21, 2008 good idea, why don't you pots on a section "hyeforum projects" you have my blessing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nazarian Posted March 21, 2008 Report Share Posted March 21, 2008 Instead of debating theoretically about what should be done, I suggest a win-win idea that could effectively contribute in all it's facets , the betterment of Armenia as well as the participent. My proposition to all forum members (those who can afford $200.00 / month for an academic year) to find and sponsor High School graduates , who wish to continue studies in one of the institutions within Armenia or Artsakh. In the long run these aspirants could become contributors in elevating the social fabric of our nation. We can then post the names of the students that have chosen to study in our homelamd. I can't believe I am agreeing with a 'garmag' post I have been pondering about this since the "ARMENIANS FOR CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE" was published. Your idea fits nicely in supporting Armenian citizens instead of spineless organizations that actually do more harm than good to Armenia. BTW, here is the civil disobedience text for the interested. I have highlighted the part that is relevant to this topic. ARMENIANS FOR CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE “Government is best which governs least” Thomas Jefferson. In 1849, Henry David Thoreau called for a Civil Disobedience in an essay arguing that people should not permit governments to overrule or atrophy their consciences, and that people have a duty to avoid allowing such acquiescence to enable the government to make them the agents of injustice. The Armenian people have suffered enough violations of their civil rights since the beginning of the 20th Century, by either foreign rulers, or by their own governments and leaders up until 21 Century and continuing. The Armenian people have been either forcefully or by the policies of their governments left their lands and are presently living abroad, in every corner of the world. The Armenian has fought throughout history for individual rights to live freely in Armenia with all civil rights being respected without much success because of the fear instigated in them by abusive forces. Now, the time has come for the “Armenian” to live, experience and demonstrate “civil disobedience” meaning, “disobedience to the state” to achieve freedom of self from fear of the foreign forces and domestic governments. However, civil disobedience of the Armenian is an individual decision to join the multitudes in a similar action to show the authorities that the power of statehood comes from those who do not wish to be enslaved and used as agents for injustice. Free Armenians shall be united in spirit and consciousness in this most noble method of feeing themselves from their oppressors and shall change the fate imposed on them. We call on you to follow the following rules of civil disobedience: 1. “Don’t just wait passively for an opportunity to vote for justice. Voting for justice is as ineffective as wishing for justice; what you need to do is to actually be just. This is not to say that you have an obligation to devote your life to fighting for justice, but you do have an obligation not to commit injustice and not to give injustice your practical support.” 2. When a government becomes destructive of basic human rights, it is the duty of the people to "alter or abolish it." We call upon all Armenians all over the world to stop paying taxes(dues), gratuities, and donations to all organizations, which direct that money to the ruling government in Armenia. Instead, we direct them to send same amount and more assistance to the Armenian people living in the villages and towns of Armenia. No money and/or assistance should be directed to political parties, to the Armenia Fund, Org., the Armenian Assembly, the Armenian National Committee and to Armenian Republic and all other organizations you know, which are giving direct assistance to the Republic of Armenia. We call upon all Armenians to peacefully live and show disobedience to the state authorities without fight, without profanity, curse, objection, retaliation or violence. Withdraw your participation, membership and contribution from all those organizations, and/or state institutions which exercise power and control over the fee people of Armenia. We call upon all Armenians to unite in creating a civil society whose’ consciousness shall decide and create their own way of life, society and country. TO ALL ARMENIAN BROTHERS AND SISTERS OF THE WORLD START YOUR DUTY OF CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE TODAY! REACH OUT AND HELP OUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN ARMENIA TO BE FREE. SOONER OR LATER ARMENIANS SHALL ACHIEVE FULL CIVIL RIGHTS THEY DESERVE. HOWEVER, IT WILL NOT BE ACHIEVED WITHOUT SACRIFICE AND WITHOUT CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE TO ALL THOSE WHO HAVE TRADITIONALLY AND HISTORICALLY KEPT ARMENIANS IN FEAR AND IN MENTAL SLAVERY! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nazarian Posted March 21, 2008 Report Share Posted March 21, 2008 Such program already exists http://www.birthrightarmenia.org/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvLZl_JCBIk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goDEuNwRXSI Avo, I scanned the BirthRightArmenia site and there is nothing about scholarships for the students in Armenia. Can you post a link to the page that is about sponsoring Armenian students in Armenia? Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garmag Posted March 21, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2008 I can't believe I am agreeing with a 'garmag' post Your idea fits nicely in supporting Armenian citizens instead of spineless organizations that actually do more harm than good to Armenia. No money and/or assistance should be directed to political parties, to the Armenia Fund, Org., the Armenian Assembly, the Armenian National Committee and to Armenian Republic and all other organizations you know, which are giving direct assistance to the Republic of Armenia. Thanks for agreeing... same here, for what's left above! The IDEA suggested was to personally find a candidate and sponsor said student who wishes to continue post High School education in Armenia or Artsakh. NOT AN APPEAL OR PROMOTION FOR CIVIL DESOBEDIENCE! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVO Posted March 22, 2008 Report Share Posted March 22, 2008 http://www.birthrightarmenia.org/opportunities/opps.html http://www.birthrightarmenia.org/support/s...t_donations.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garmag Posted March 22, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2008 http://www.birthrightarmenia.org/opportunities/opps.html http://www.birthrightarmenia.org/support/s...t_donations.php Avo, Being aware of the above orgs., that are doing wonderful work, plse. read what I am proposing! To find personally a HIGH SCHOOL graduate, not a college or university internship seeker, AND SPONSOR the candidate personally as well as following details of progress and results. I acknowledge the resposibilities implicated in such endavours..... Along the way, you do not have to pay administrative or overhead expenses to yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boghos Posted March 22, 2008 Report Share Posted March 22, 2008 ??????????? ????? ????????, ?????'? Someone that uses the ARF flag shouldn´t be connected to liberal thought, you may substitute that for the ADL one... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garmag Posted March 23, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2008 Attention to all forum-ites; The whole effort was to solicit ideas, please do not change topic... Thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVO Posted March 23, 2008 Report Share Posted March 23, 2008 Garmag jan did you mean highschool graduates of Armenia or from other countries? I thought you meant young Armenians of diaspora. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garmag Posted March 23, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2008 Garmag jan did you mean highschool graduates of Armenia or from other countries? I thought you meant young Armenians of diaspora. Avo jan, Both, preferably diaspora... because this will give an opportunity to a diasporan by birth, to get aquainted with the realities in Armenia as well as have, hopefully, a beneficial input amongst the locals. I wish I had such a chance when I graduated from high school in diaspora. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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