Electronic Armenian Dictionary Project For 2008

[Էլիա]

I speak Eastern Armenian, I can speak Western as well. I know Elia is Parskahay (I think..?), thereby writing in Western Armenian, and a lot of others are Western Armenian.

Այդ կարծիքը ուրտեղէ՞ն ելաւ: Ես Պէյրութցի/Քուէյթցի եմ, բայց ճիշդ ես որ արեւմտահայերէնով կը խօսիմ ու կը գրեմ:

[Nor Hayastan]

Of course the other issue is licensing and copyright ... I don't think simply copying things out of a published dictionary and throwing it out in the public is a good idea ... for one thing, it is not legal.

 

True, there are licensing and copyright laws, however we can try to get in touch with the authors of the work. Some of the authors might have passed away... but whoever is left we can try to contact.

 

if we can't contact them, I think the dictionary serves the better good for the people.

 

“Law; an ordinance of reason for the common good, made by him who has care of the community”... St. Thomas Aquinas

 

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[Nor Hayastan]

Այդ կարծիքը ուրտեղէ՞ն ելաւ: Ես Պէյրութցի/Քուէյթցի եմ, բայց ճիշդ ես որ արեւմտահայերէնով կը խօսիմ ու կը գրեմ:

 

Yeghav Elia jan, knereq Chgitem inchu et mitq@ arrajacav mejs, vorovhetev urish posterum et karciq@ haytnvec im mej.

 

Inchevice... karevor@ vor du im nman huzvac es hayeren lezvi bnagavarrum

[Էլիա]

Inchevice... karevor@ vor du im nman huzvac es hayeren lezvi bnagavarrum

Այո, ճիշդ ես... լոլ, քիչ մը շփոթած եմ այս «փոստ»ի խճողումէն...

 

Յ.Գ. «Arial AM»ը փորձեցի այդ genocide.ru/translit/convert.html բանին համար, որպէսզի կարողութեամբ ֆորումին մէջ մեքենագրել, բայց չաշխատաւ:

[Sip]

... If we do it on Excel, would that be easy for you to integrate it into the program?

 

As long as each category of info is in a separate column in excel, the "program" boils down to a basic lookup that matches something from one column to another column with a fancy user interface ... in other words, something pretty easy to do.

 

The final data will not be stored in excel form of course but converting from excel to something else is easy.

 

I proposed excel because pretty much everyone will have it, it is fairly easy to use, the data will be organized into the groups we want, and typing in different fonts (i.e. armenian) is possible.

 

By the way, have you seen this? I think the xls file I posted was from a very early version of this one .. I don't think it was for sale at the time but now it boasts 70,000 words. Wonder where those words came from and if they are licensed (doesn't mention anything about the origin as far as I could see).

[Sip]

Nor H. .. if you want to know the perhaps "best" way to enter the data, I would say is to use a real database. Something like Microsoft Access would do the job ... there is also OpenOffice which has both an excel alternative and a database program (basically it's a lot like Microsoft office) but it is free!

 

But I am thinking database concepts and getting the people started to using it is going to be rather non trivial ... so I can always get periodic updates in excel form and keep adding them into one central database that then everyone can get a copy of if they want.

[Nor Hayastan]

As long as each category of info is in a separate column in excel, the "program" boils down to a basic lookup that matches something from one column to another column with a fancy user interface ... in other words, something pretty easy to do.

 

The final data will not be stored in excel form of course but converting from excel to something else is easy.

 

I proposed excel because pretty much everyone will have it, it is fairly easy to use, the data will be organized into the groups we want, and typing in different fonts (i.e. armenian) is possible.

 

By the way, have you seen this? I think the xls file I posted was from a very early version of this one .. I don't think it was for sale at the time but now it boasts 70,000 words. Wonder where those words came from and if they are licensed (doesn't mention anything about the origin as far as I could see).

 

Yes Sip jan, I saw that a while ago. The program is in Eastern Armenian, I did not purchase the full version, because I fear a lot of the words I will be looking for are going to be missing. Download the program, in the Armenian->English section, you will see that the word "Azgaser" is missing. This is only the A. I don't have access to the rest, but I suspsect that there are also many words that will be missing.

 

The reason why I had mentioned the dictionaries in the beginning, is that we can bring ALL of our resources together. That site, or whoever the author was to that program (and decided to make money on it... <_<) I am certain only used one dictionary. On top of which, the English used within that dictionary is British-English.

[Էլիա]

Իմ կարծիքովս, նախապէս, բառարան ունեցողները կերպով մը պէտք է փոխանցեն բոլոր բառերը ու իմաստները/թարգմանութիւնները իրենց համակարգիչներուն մէջ (զննելով, ընդօրինակելով «Microsoft Word»ի մէջ, եւ այլն): Վերջը, ամէն ինչ կը կազմաւորենք, կը կարգադրենք, կը մաքրենք, կը շտկենք, եւ այլն... ... Անկէ վերջ, ծրագրողին/ծրագրողներուն կու տանք ամէն ինչ ու ինքը/իրենք կը դնէ/դնեն ծրագիրին մէջ: Ի՞նչ կը կարծէք: Edited December 15, 2007 by Էլիա

[Nor Hayastan]

Իմ կարծիքովս, նախապէս, բառարան ունեցողները կերպով մը պէտք է փոխանցեն բոլոր բառերը ու իմաստները/թարգմանութիւնները իրենց համակարգիչներուն մէջ (զննելով, ընդօրինակելով «Microsoft Word»ի մէջ, եւ այլն): Վերջը, ամէն ինչ կը կազմաւորենք, կը կարգադրենք, կը մաքրենք, կը շտկենք, եւ այլն... ... Անկէ վերջ, ծրագրողին/ծրագրողներուն կու տանք ամէն ինչ ու ինքը/իրենք կը դնէ/դնեն ծրագիրին մէջ: Ի՞նչ կը կարծէք:

 

Shat bari Elia jan, bayc dnelov Microsoft Word-i mej bolor barrer@ arten tanjanq e.

 

Im karciqov, yete mek@ karogh e indz oqnel scan anenq amen mi ej es barrarannerin mej, nkarner sarqenq, etpes aveli hesht klini. Yete hamematenq greln u scan anel@... im karciqov scan anel@ aveli arag karpov karogh enq anel. Yes qez mek hat barraran karogh em tal, yev yes anem mnacac@, kam urish oqnoghner vor kan scan anelu, iranc karogh em tal im barraranneris mi qani hat@.

 

Yev espes, arten kugharkenq nkarner@ irar, yev nuyn@ orinak Elia jan du el kanes qo barraranov. Myus@ ir barraranov. Ayspes liq@ nkarner kunenanq, u kdasavorenq nkarner@.

 

Yerp vor arten input anelu gorcin ganq, arten endegh kbazhanenq ashxatanq@... orinak du Elia jan, anpayman "Է" tarr@ kunenas Yes el iharke "Գ" tarr@. U ayspes... kbazhanenq/kbashxenq ashxatanq@ vorpeszi mek hoqu vra amboghj tanjanq@ chlini.

 

Bayc noric em asum, yes aveli saht em geradasum ayn martkanc het ovqer vor piti oqnen es ashxatanqin/naxagcin, vor bolors havaqvenq Glendale-i hanrayin gradaranum Hunvar amisin, 2008 tvin, u mtacenq/voroshenq inchpes enq sa anelu jshgrtoren

[Nor Hayastan]

I was thinking the default font would be Arial AM, since it is the most accessible and easiest to understand. However, Arial AM (and i hate this fact ) doesn't have the "YEV" letter like Sylfaen (Unicode) does. That's a problem, since if we were to write in Eastern Armenian, the Sylfaen "YEV" would stick out like an eyesore.

 

Ayooooooooooooooo~~~!

 

I just figured it out! I have "Bararan" font also on my computer, with a slew of other fonts as well. The "Bararan" font has the "YEV" letter!

[nairi]

By the way, have you seen this?

 

It's only for Windows. Why?

[Էլիա]

Ուրեմն... հիմա՞ ինչ:

[Armenak]

Ayooooooooooooooo~~~!

 

I just figured it out! I have "Bararan" font also on my computer, with a slew of other fonts as well. The "Bararan" font has the "YEV" letter!

How did you get Armenian fonts on your computer? Do you use Windows Vista?

 

I haven't been able to download *any* Armenian fonts for Vista.

[Nor Hayastan]

How did you get Armenian fonts on your computer? Do you use Windows Vista?

 

I haven't been able to download *any* Armenian fonts for Vista.

Guys look, Elia jan angleren asem, vorpeszi bolorin haskacnem...

 

Over the past few days, in my mind... I have had some thought, or should I say concerns... First off, a dictionary, an Armenian one at that, is to serve the purpose of the Armenian people, however, as this has been so evident, there is the dialect problem of spelling that conerns me. WHOEVER would join me, as Elia, Ani, Sip, and Anoushik have already voiced their commitment, I also need you all to understand that... naturally, anyone who is Eastern Armenian would want an Eastern Armenian dictionary, and Western Armenian - Western Armenian dictionary. Now the changing of the spelling is not a big concern, that is actually very easy, especially concidering that the majority of my dictionaries are in Western Armenian. However, if we are going ot make two versions of the dictionary - one for Western Armenian speakers/readers, and the other for Eastern Armenian, then this requires that we have to extend the work for the other dialect. So just keep that in mind beforehand, and at the same time, on a more positive note I think it'll be an educational experience for all who participate, as they can learn not only words, but the spelling structures of the opposite dialect.

 

Regarding Elia's post... HIMA INCH Hima Elia jan... we wait until new year passes, I know everyone has a lot of things on their mind now, with Christmas and New Years (not to mention Tata's concert on the 22nd, which I'm going to be going to lool).

 

I will e-mail you all after new year's, and we will establish a date and time to meet at Glendale Public Library. Over there, I will go over the basics of how we will go about splitting the work, and also give you a tutorial on how to use KDWin program (which is the bestttttttt program for writing in Armenian, 100000x better than Unicode, except that you cannot write on the internet with it, only in MS Word. The reason I want to introduce this program to you, is because you can designate the key layouts. Since we are all going to be writing thousands of words and common sayings, we need efficiency and convenience for every writer.

 

PLEASE, if anyone can help out, or if any of you know any friends that would like to help out, please tell them. This project is going to be a graas-roots effort in making a free-flowing, COMPREHENSIVE... <> dictionary for all. This will pave the way for later collaboration between other websites, between Microsoft, and its slew of programs, including MS Word spellcheck. Hopefully, we can get websites that can start online translations of sentences already... English --> Armenian, and vice versa.

 

Mi xosqov... don't think I have forgotten about it, it is on the top of my to-do list for 2008 I will e-mail you all who are willing to help. PM me if you are willing to help out as well.

 

[Nor Hayastan]

How did you get Armenian fonts on your computer? Do you use Windows Vista?

 

I haven't been able to download *any* Armenian fonts for Vista.

 

Armenak jan, you can download Armenian fonts from a host of websites. Just do a Google search: Download Armenian fonts, and I'm sure you will get a lot of results.

 

By the way, since you brought that point up, I wanted to use the "Bararan" font, since it has the "YEV" letter as well, plus it is clear and concise to read. Do not worry, I will prepare all the materials for all of you beforehand, so that by the time we meet and split up the work, you will all be familiar with the program/fonts.

 

Try this site Armenak jan: http://www.editum.com.ar/mashtots/html/download_fonts.html

[Էլիա]

This will pave the way for later collaboration between other websites, between Microsoft, and its slew of programs, including MS Word spellcheck. Hopefully, we can get websites that can start online translations of sentences already... English --> Armenian, and vice versa.

Նոյնիսկ շատ լաւ չաշխատիր, կայք մը կայ, որ ձրի անգլերէնէ հայերէն ու հայերէնէ անգլերէն կը թարգմանէ՝ http://www.translator.am: Անձնական ծրագիր մըն ալ ունի: Բայց, շատ չեմ սիրեր, որովհետեւ միայն սովետական ուղղագրութեամբ կը թարգմանէ, մէկ թարգմանութիւն մը շատ ժամանակ կը տեւէ, ու բառագիտութիւնը շատ սահմանափակ է: Չեմ գիտեր եթէ այս թարգմանիչը որեւէ կերպով օգտակար կ'ըլլայ, բայց վստահ եմ որ ջանք թափելով, շատ աւելի լաւ համացանցի թարգմանիչ մը կրնանք շինել, սքանչելի համացանցի բառարանը կատարելէ վերջ:

Edited December 18, 2007 by Էլիա