Electronic Armenian Dictionary Project For 2008

[Nor Hayastan]

Hello all!

 

First of all, I want to mention to everyone I am a BIG FAN of the Armenian language, especially its diction. That is probably what drove me to this state of thought...

 

On another post, I mentioned this, but I decided to go ahead and make a new post detailing this project I had in mind.

 

I currently have 5 Armenian dictionaries (1 Armenian->English, 4 English-Armenian). The dictionaries range from different time periods and regions. The Armenian->English dictionary I have is the following:

http://www.abrilbooks.com/images/books/hayeanglebar.jpg

 

It has "about 50 000 words and word combinations" (from page 1 of the dictionary ). The other 4 dictionaries come from different regions. One is from Yerevan (1991), and includes 30,000 words (authored by H.A. Asmangulyan & M.I. Hovhannisyan). The next one, titled "@ntarcak Barraran" (1922), is from Boston, Massachussetts, by Professor H. H. Chakmakjian. Unfortunately, it does not say how many words it is, but to give you guys an idea...it has 1,424 pages The third one, also entitled "@ntarcak Barraran - Anglerene Hayeren," (1961) is from Cairo, Egypt, and it is by Mesrob G. Kouyoumjian and this dictionary has 1416 pages. Lastly, my last dictionary, rather a "pocket dictionary/companian" is by the Yeran Press from Boston, Mass. and has only 242 pages. The last three dictionaries are in Western Armenian, with the first two being in Eastern Armenian.

 

The reason I am mentioning these dictionaries, is because I used them almost on a daily basis, and I wanted to note that they cover a variety of words (as you could have read.. the first one is 50,000 words). I have reached a point, where I hate flipping through the pages to find a certain word. It has gotten to a point where my dictionaries are FALLING APART! looool And being the հայրենասեր that I am, I wanted to make one comprehensive and complete ELECTRONIC (PROGRAM) dictionary: English->Armenian, Armenian->English. I have the resources here on my desk, the only problem is I need a support team to put all of this together.

 

These dictionaries, though they are numerious, have many flaws in them. Going to the 1991 dictionary from Yerevan, there are WAYYY TOOO MANY foreign words being used in it. The older dictionaries from Cairo and Boston, are good, however they do not have many of the 21st century words we use on a daily basis. I also have a list of computer terms, that we would include in this program, i.e.:

 

browser զննիչ

discussion thread քննարկաշար

domain տիրույթ

e-mail ուղերձ, Էլ-փոստ, իմակ

WWW ՀՀՀ (Համաշխարհային Համակարգչային Համավեպ)

microcomputer մանրակարգիչ

microprocessor մանրավարիչ

modem միացուցիչ

etc...

 

This project is way toooo big for me alone. I need a team, I need a programmer (as I don't know ANYTHING about programming), etc... The words that will be used in the dictionary will be ONLY ARMENIAN... no foreign words, or at least foreign words that we know or can make into Armenian.

 

My plans would also be to let the dictionary be accessible by KDwin and Unicode as well. In the future, we can upgrade the program and have newer versions (i.e. 1.2, 1.3, etc...). This program would be free for everyone, because I rather value the positive value of the dictionary, than from making a couple of $ from it... besides, it'll facilitate people to learn the Armenian translations of many English words we use today in our daily conversations with other Armenians.

 

Also, I am sure many of you will so, but there are already Armenian dictionary programs out there, why do we need one more? I also have 3 dictionary programs, however these dictionaries have 2 main flaws:

1. The # of words are very little (less than 10,000)

2. A lot of the words that they DO USE, are in fact foreign words (from Russian mostly)

 

About me... I live in Los Angeles (Glendale ) and will soon (on Saturday) officially be out of CSUN I wanted to meet with people who could help me with this project, because we need to plan out a way we can input these words into the computer, on some medium. In any case, if anyone would be interested, I am willing to give my phone # to anyone who would like to know more about this/help out. We can meet at Glendale Public Library and discuss it together. Nonetheless, it is very VERY critical that we find a computer programmer to make the program (which I don't think will be that hard of a job, since it's only a dictionary...).

 

Any people living outside of the Los Angeles area who would like to help out, I'm sure we can find some way in doing that. If you have any questions/comments, please feel free to write them here, but if anyone WOULD like to help me out (which I would reallyyyy appreciate, since it's a project of this magnitude) please PM me, or better yet send me an e-mail.

 

Thanks again for reading this much

Edited December 13, 2007 by Nor Hayastan

[Arpa]

Good idea!

At least it beats another offer that we had some time ago whose intention was to create a "western Armenian dictionary", whateer the heck it means.

I also have several dictionaries among which that by Asmangukian-Hovanissian. So far the most extensive one I have, however, just like you I find it very annoying when they give you the Armenian transliteration rather than a synonym. In fact just a fw minutes ago I looked it up to see what the Armenian word for "imperialism" was... guess!!!իմպերիալիզմ!!

I must also confess that I personally have an allergy to translate every technical word. Many of them are practically trade marked terms and the entire world uses them.

browser զննիչ

discussion thread քննարկաշար **

domain տիրույթ

e-mail ուղերձ, Էլ-փոստ, իմակ

WWW ՀՀՀ (Համաշխարհային Համակարգչային Համավեպ)

microcomputer մանրակարգիչ

microprocessor մանրավարիչ

modem միացուցիչ

etc...[/quote

Վեպ /վէպ means novel in Armenian. If you mean "web" then it would be ցանց ոստայն:

Can we set aside translating every tchnical word and gadget and first try and find our native and classical language like what is the Armenian word for imperialism? իմբերիալիզմ??

Fortunatley I know English and Latin. One time we a debate with good friend who claimed to know better Armenian than I, He does. But I opened the Hanragitaran to a technical article and asked him to read and see if he understood. He could not understand one word. 70 % of the words were transliterated Latin or Russian words. And that is not only for technical scientific words but words that we have had since before the days of Mashtots.

** I noticed that you must have looked up the Hovanissian for "discussion". Yes it does say քննարկում but is not քննել to examine. We don't seem to have a good word for "discuss" as the other is վէճ which in fact is more like argument rather than discussion. Is there a hidden message here? A symptom of our national character?

 

[Nor Hayastan]

Arpa jan, the transliterations are secondary... I NEED MY TEAM!!!

[Էլիա]

So far the most extensive one I have, however, just like you I find it very annoying when they give you the Armenian transliteration rather than a synonym. In fact just a fw minutes ago I looked it up to see what the Armenian word for "imperialism" was... guess!!!իմպերիալիզմ!!

 

Այդ քան ճիշդ է որ կը ցաւի: (Գիտեմ, գիտեմ... չ'աշխատիր երբ անգլիական ասացուածք մը հայերէնի կը թարգմանես...) Ես ալ շատ կը ձանձրանամ երբ անգլերէն բառեր հայերէնի կը թարգմանեն միայն տառադարձելով...

[Էլիա]

Hello all!

 

First of all, I want to mention to everyone I am a BIG FAN of the Armenian language, especially its diction. That is probably what drove me to this state of thought...

 

On another post, I mentioned this, but I decided to go ahead and make a new post detailing this project I had in mind.

 

I currently have 5 Armenian dictionaries (1 Armenian->English, 4 English-Armenian). The dictionaries range from different time periods and regions. The Armenian->English dictionary I have is the following:

http://www.abrilbooks.com/images/books/hayeanglebar.jpg

 

It has "about 50 000 words and word combinations" (from page 1 of the dictionary ). The other 4 dictionaries come from different regions. One is from Yerevan (1991), and includes 30,000 words (authored by H.A. Asmangulyan & M.I. Hovhannisyan). The next one, titled "@ntarcak Barraran" (1922), is from Boston, Massachussetts, by Professor H. H. Chakmakjian. Unfortunately, it does not say how many words it is, but to give you guys an idea...it has 1,424 pages The third one, also entitled "@ntarcak Barraran - Anglerene Hayeren," (1961) is from Cairo, Egypt, and it is by Mesrob G. Kouyoumjian and this dictionary has 1416 pages. Lastly, my last dictionary, rather a "pocket dictionary/companian" is by the Yeran Press from Boston, Mass. and has only 242 pages. The last three dictionaries are in Western Armenian, with the first two being in Eastern Armenian.

 

The reason I am mentioning these dictionaries, is because I used them almost on a daily basis, and I wanted to note that they cover a variety of words (as you could have read.. the first one is 50,000 words). I have reached a point, where I hate flipping through the pages to find a certain word. It has gotten to a point where my dictionaries are FALLING APART! looool And being the հայրենասեր that I am, I wanted to make one comprehensive and complete ELECTRONIC (PROGRAM) dictionary: English->Armenian, Armenian->English. I have the resources here on my desk, the only problem is I need a support team to put all of this together.

 

These dictionaries, though they are numerious, have many flaws in them. Going to the 1991 dictionary from Yerevan, there are WAYYY TOOO MANY foreign words being used in it. The older dictionaries from Cairo and Boston, are good, however they do not have many of the 21st century words we use on a daily basis. I also have a list of computer terms, that we would include in this program, i.e.:

 

browser զննիչ

discussion thread քննարկաշար

domain տիրույթ

e-mail ուղերձ, Էլ-փոստ, իմակ

WWW ՀՀՀ (Համաշխարհային Համակարգչային Համավեպ)

microcomputer մանրակարգիչ

microprocessor մանրավարիչ

modem միացուցիչ

etc...

 

This project is way toooo big for me alone. I need a team, I need a programmer (as I don't know ANYTHING about programming), etc... The words that will be used in the dictionary will be ONLY ARMENIAN... no foreign words, or at least foreign words that we know or can make into Armenian.

 

My plans would also be to let the dictionary be accessible by KDwin and Unicode as well. In the future, we can upgrade the program and have newer versions (i.e. 1.2, 1.3, etc...). This program would be free for everyone, because I rather value the positive value of the dictionary, than from making a couple of $ from it... besides, it'll facilitate people to learn the Armenian translations of many English words we use today in our daily conversations with other Armenians.

 

Also, I am sure many of you will so, but there are already Armenian dictionary programs out there, why do we need one more? I also have 3 dictionary programs, however these dictionaries have 2 main flaws:

1. The # of words are very little (less than 10,000)

2. A lot of the words that they DO USE, are in fact foreign words (from Russian mostly)

 

About me... I live in Los Angeles (Glendale ) and will soon (on Saturday) officially be out of CSUN I wanted to meet with people who could help me with this project, because we need to plan out a way we can input these words into the computer, on some medium. In any case, if anyone would be interested, I am willing to give my phone # to anyone who would like to know more about this/help out. We can meet at Glendale Public Library and discuss it together. Nonetheless, it is very VERY critical that we find a computer programmer to make the program (which I don't think will be that hard of a job, since it's only a dictionary...).

 

Any people living outside of the Los Angeles area who would like to help out, I'm sure we can find some way in doing that. If you have any questions/comments, please feel free to write them here, but if anyone WOULD like to help me out (which I would reallyyyy appreciate, since it's a project of this magnitude) please PM me, or better yet send me an e-mail.

 

Thanks again for reading this much

Ուրախութեամբ ու հայրենասիրութեամբ կը միանամ այս խումբին, այս սքանչելի պատճառը իրական դարձնելու համար: Դժբախտաբար, բան մը չեմ գիտեր ծրագիրներու մասին, ուրեմն այդ մասը չեմ կրնար օգնել: Բայց, ես ալ անգլերէնէ հայերէն բառարան մը ունիմ՝ "Shirak's English-Armenian Dictionary with Transliteration": Հեղինակը Օհաննէս Հաննէսեանն է: (Ohannes Hannessian) Եթէ կը կարծես որ լաւ գաղափար մըն է, իմ բառարանս ալ կրնանք օգտագործել քու խորհուրդիդ համար: Կ'ընեմ ինչ որ կրնամ ընել օգնելու:

 

[Anoushik]

Ուրախութեամբ ու հայրենասիրութեամբ կը միանամ այս խումբին, այս սքանչելի պատճառը իրական դարձնելու համար: Դժբախտաբար, բան մը չեմ գիտեր ծրագիրներու մասին, ուրեմն այդ մասը չեմ կրնար օգնել:

Same here!

 

Nor Hayastan, I have the Armenian-English dictionary as well

[Sip]

I can do the programming. I don't know what licensing and the legal restrictions would be on the data, but I would strongly suggest making the program open source and freely available to everyone (open source would mean anyone in the world could also contribute to the program itself).

 

It might even be possible to set it up as an online service ... Mosjan has a number of sites one of which is http://armenian.name (a big database of Armenian names) for example and of course this site

Edited December 14, 2007 by Sip

[MosJan]

if can help fill free to let me know

 

as for http://armenian.name Garo has customised the software - we can ask to see if it will serve the purpose

 

 

 

[Ani]

I can make coffee...

And bring lunch...

[Nor Hayastan]

I can do the programming. I don't know what licensing and the legal restrictions would be on the data, but I would strongly suggest making the program open source and freely available to everyone (open source would mean anyone in the world could also contribute to the program itself).

 

It might even be possible to set it up as an online service ... Mosjan has a number of sites one of which is http://armenian.name (a big database of Armenian names) for example and of course this site

 

Sip jan where do you live?

 

The online service woudl be great too, the only only reason I like the program better is because you don't have to be online to access it, and I would want to spread it to the Armenian departments in the RA. I have interned at the Ministry of Finance & Economy and this last summer the Central Bank, and many of there computers don't have internet access, they only have one or two computers that do. But in any case, both would be a great idea - website and program.

 

I really want all of us (those who live in LA for example) to gather in one place and decide how we're going to do this. This is a MAJOR project (hopefully 50,000+ words), and it will include a lot of work. However, the great thing about being a team, is that we can split the work, thereby splitting the time of completion. I was thinking that once we get enough people, we can assign certain letters for anyone to cover. Secondly, we would need a reviewer (so to speak...) to check to make sure everything was inputted correctly, including spelling.

 

The question here is whether the dictionary will be in Western Armenian or Eastern. I speak Eastern Armenian, I can speak Western as well. I know Elia is Parskahay (I think..?), thereby writing in Western Armenian, and a lot of others are Western Armenian. We can make the dictonary two-fold - W & E Armenian. Besides the spelling, there are also certain words that are pronounced different as well (i.e. Religion - in Western: Gronq , and in Eastern - Kron). Bu this is REALLY... all secondary, since we don't even have a good dictionary program in the first place lol

 

Guys, we have to meet up! If we get at least 5 people, and Sip, I think we can do it. I knew you were in Elia jan from the get go... qo Profile@ nayelis, grel es: Interests: Hay Lezun .. shat bari

 

In any case, please e-mail me, and let's figure out a date and time after new year's to meet ok? We can meet in Glendale Public Library, or any other place, just to discuss how we can do this groundbreaking project

[Sip]

I am currently in Northern CA but occasionally visit so cal. As far as I am concerned, the hardest part is putting the data together. The program is actually fairly trivial to write The main technical question here is how the data will be collected and stored.

 

Here are a few possiblities ... I can automate how the data is transformed from each of these into how it is actually stored in the dictionary program so no worries about that. As long as a uniform and regular formatting is followed throughout the data collection phase.

 

1. Text file

 

The most trivial way to start collecting the data is a basic text file. The format should be uniform all the way through with one word per line. The problem with this format is writing "Armenian" is not trivial with most text editors.

 

2. Microsoft Word doc

 

Almost everyone has access to this and there is no learning involved. Someone should start a template where everyone else will follow.

 

3. Microsoft excel

 

I would actually prefer this method in terms of ease of use for non computery people who will be collecting the words and definitions. Basically first column can be the word and the second column the definition. Cool thing about this is that it is easy to enter Armenian in armenian fonts etc.

 

4. Some sort of custom program or web interface ... we could set up something custom for this. But I would say probably the best method is to start with something "simple" and not try to complicate things from the get-go. As the existing data starts growing and potentially team members increasing, we can come up with perhaps better ways to collect / verify the data.

 

But basically, almost any "editable" form in which you can get me the data, I can probably make it work.

[Sip]

By the way, as an example and to get things started, take a look at this file:

 

Armenian Dictionary (xls file) Note: 1.8 MB

 

It's a MS Excel file. Just for my own entertainment, a few years ago I took one of the online Armenian dictionaries (can't remember where I got it but it was really nice), and converted it's data to this xls format so I could use my own program to look things up in it.

 

 

Edit: By the way, in order to see the Armenian in the file above, you need the ArialAM Font (click).

Edited December 14, 2007 by Sip

[Armenak]

I know Elia is Parskahay (I think..?), thereby writing in Western Armenian, and a lot of others are Western Armenian.

Parskahays speak Eastern Armenian and use the traditional orthography when writing.

[Armenak]

Good idea!

At least it beats another offer that we had some time ago whose intention was to create a "western Armenian dictionary", whateer the heck it means.

Come on, you know that was not his intention.

[Johannes]

Թէ գիտնամ ի՞նչ պիտի անեմ. ես այլ կասեմ՝ այո' կամ ո'չ:

[Nor Hayastan]

I am currently in Northern CA but occasionally visit so cal. As far as I am concerned, the hardest part is putting the data together. The program is actually fairly trivial to write The main technical question here is how the data will be collected and stored.

 

Here are a few possiblities ... I can automate how the data is transformed from each of these into how it is actually stored in the dictionary program so no worries about that. As long as a uniform and regular formatting is followed throughout the data collection phase.

 

1. Text file

 

The most trivial way to start collecting the data is a basic text file. The format should be uniform all the way through with one word per line. The problem with this format is writing "Armenian" is not trivial with most text editors.

 

2. Microsoft Word doc

 

Almost everyone has access to this and there is no learning involved. Someone should start a template where everyone else will follow.

 

3. Microsoft excel

 

I would actually prefer this method in terms of ease of use for non computery people who will be collecting the words and definitions. Basically first column can be the word and the second column the definition. Cool thing about this is that it is easy to enter Armenian in armenian fonts etc.

 

4. Some sort of custom program or web interface ... we could set up something custom for this. But I would say probably the best method is to start with something "simple" and not try to complicate things from the get-go. As the existing data starts growing and potentially team members increasing, we can come up with perhaps better ways to collect / verify the data.

 

But basically, almost any "editable" form in which you can get me the data, I can probably make it work.

 

This is great Sip jan. I was also thinking we could put phrases (common sayings) within the translation of the word. The reason I say this, is http://www.abrilbooks.com/images/books/hayeanglebar.jpg because this book is like the Bible for me, and it gives common sayings which are VERY VERY useful.

 

Here is an example:

 

Բախում, գ. (դուռը թակելը) knock, tap; (ընդհարում) collision, crash, impact; (մարտ) skirmish, passage of arms; փխբ. Clash; ռզմ. Conflict; ◊ շահերի ~ clash/conflict of interests; գնացքների ~ collision of trains.

 

This way, common sayings would also be integrated within the dictionary

 

When I write Armenian, as I had mentioned before, I do not use Unicode, but rather the KDWin program. With this program, you can choose your own keyboard layout of the Armenian letters. When making the dictionary, it would also be great for people to search for Armenian words via KDWin program as well (KDWin is the standard program for Armenian writing in the RA ministries, and I'm sure a lot of other places in Armenia...). This issue also has to be addressed.

 

Anushik jan thanks for the PM I really would like to gather in a public venue so we can also discuss this.

 

Also, I know we all have dictionaries... Elia jan du mi urish barraran asacir ancyal gracit mej.... We can use ALL the dictionaries we have, which would be even a better idea because some dictionaries might have words others don't, and vice versa. I was thinking, since I only have 1 version of my dictionaries, I could scan? each page... and send it to the team members (each one... the pages regarding their letters...).

 

In any case guys, great feedback! We should exchange information with one another (those who live here in LA) so we can see how we are going to organize this.

 

[Nor Hayastan]

Parskahays speak Eastern Armenian and use the traditional orthography when writing.

 

Gitem Armenak jan, that's why I wrote write in Western Armenian

 

I wrote a paper about how the split of Eastern and Western Armenian took place, who is right...who is wrong, what is Mesropyan, and what isn't...

[Nor Hayastan]

Թէ գիտնամ ի՞նչ պիտի անեմ. ես այլ կասեմ՝ այո' կամ ո'չ:

 

Բարեվ Յովհաննես ջան! Կարծեմ… ինչ որ Արփան ասել էր, դուք ապրում եք միջին արեվելքում: Իմ կարծիքով, մենք կարող ենք ձեզ ուղղարկել բառապաշարը եվ դուք կարող եք ստուգել թե, բառերը ճիշտ են գրված թե չէ: Դուք էլ կարծեմ բառարան ունեք…եթե մեծ ծավալով հայերեն բառապաշար ունի, ուրեմն մենք էլ կարող ենք օգտագործել դա: Ուղղակի այս տարածքային խնդիրը երանի թե չլիներ

Edited December 14, 2007 by Nor Hayastan

[Nor Hayastan]

Guys I just had another idea...

 

Hopefully, if everythign goes well and we can finish in 2008, we can also cooperate with Microsoft Word, and give them the word list so they can input it into Microsoft Word, for SPELLCHECK

 

http://www.dvdyourmemories.com/images/microsoft%20word%20icon.jpg

 

Isn't that awesome? You can type in Armenian (you would choose somewhere... Western or Eastern...) and if you mispell a word, it would automatically underline it. Currently, when I type in Armenian at least, it doesn't underline every word, only a few, but I think since it doesn't understand the language, it doesn't know which word to underline and which word not to lool

[Armenak]

Nor Hayastan, you should get in contact with Shahan Araradian. He used to contribute regularly, but not much anymore. I assume it was because some of our members congregated against him.

[Nor Hayastan]

Nor Hayastan, you should get in contact with Shahan Araradian. He used to contribute regularly, but not much anymore. I assume it was because some of our members congregated against him.

 

Eghav Armenak jan. Du ur es aprum @nkers? Los-um mi guce?

 

Du kuzenas oqnel es naxagcov?

[Sip]

If not ms word, I can certainly try to contact a few people to get this incorporated maybe into google spell check ... so when you do a google search in Armenian, it suggests correct spelling.

 

But let's think basics before jumping too far ahead!

 

Most "good" dictionaries provide the following set of core features:

 

1. Definition

2. Pronunciation (some audio content would be excellent!)

3. Variations (plural, different tenses for verbs, common prefixes and suffixes, etc)

4. Synonyms

5. Antonyms

6. Grammar and usage info (is it a verb, adjective, etc)

7. Roots and etymology

 

As far as the programmer is concerned, as long as this data is available, the interface can be made as fancy as you want and integrated in as many places and in as many ways as you can imagine. Having it on cel phones, online, inside word processing applications, toolbar addons, different operating systems, etc etc ...

 

The main challenge and the main focus as I see it right now is to get the data organized and the data gathering, checking, and validation under way.

Edited December 14, 2007 by Sip

[Sip]

... I assume it was because some of our members congregated against him.

 

It's funny this usually tends to happen whenever someone shows up and continues repeating "everyone is stupid but me ... everyone is stupid but me ... everyone is stupid but me ..." (note, this is actually a Homer Simpson quote).

 

[Sip]

Of course the other issue is licensing and copyright ... I don't think simply copying things out of a published dictionary and throwing it out in the public is a good idea ... for one thing, it is not legal.

[Nor Hayastan]

If not ms word, I can certainly try to contact a few people to get this incorporated maybe into google spell check ... so when you do a google search in Armenian, it suggests correct spelling.

 

But let's think basics before jumping too far ahead!

 

Most "good" dictionaries provide the following set of core features:

 

1. Definition

2. Pronunciation (some audio content would be excellent!)

3. Variations (plural, different tenses for verbs, common prefixes and suffixes, etc)

4. Synonyms

5. Antonyms

6. Grammar and usage info (is it a verb, adjective, etc)

7. Roots and etymology

 

As far as the programmer is concerned, as long as this data is available, the interface can be made as fancy as you want and integrated in as many places and in as many ways as you can imagine. Having it on cel phones, online, inside word processing applications, toolbar addons, different operating systems, etc etc ...

 

The main challenge and the main focus as I see it right now is to get the data organized and the data gathering, checking, and validation under way.

 

Ya Sip, your exactly right. When thinking about this, I knew this problem would arise. Since your a programmer, you would know best. Keep in mind...people like me (who will be inputting all these words) need a program as simple/basic as can be, so it will be easier for us to input the words. The excel file that you sent I looked at, was basically 2 rows of information. If we do it on Excel, would that be easy for you to integrate it into the program? What about the word usage, as I mentioned in a previous post, under the example of "Baxum?" In any case, you tell us which medium works best for you, hopefully the program will be easy for us as well, for inputting the words. Also, will there be any language conflicts as to what device we use to type Armenian? (i.e. I use KDWin, others use Unicode...). I was thinking the default font would be Arial AM, since it is the most accessible and easiest to understand. However, Arial AM (and i hate this fact ) doesn't have the "YEV" letter like Sylfaen (Unicode) does. That's a problem, since if we were to write in Eastern Armenian, the Sylfaen "YEV" would stick out like an eyesore.

 

On another note, on Saturday, once my last final is done, I'll scan a few pages out of each dictionary I have, we can look through the positive/negative aspects each author did when publishing his work.