Error 404 Posted October 26, 2007 Report Share Posted October 26, 2007 It is interesting how many times in the history Turkey escaped of total collapse or invasion. What do you think is it luck or carefully calculated steps from Turkey's side or maybe it's the patriotism? Let me list here some recent facts from the last century. 1. The World War I and the battle of Galipoli. The "Sick man of Europe" the ottoman empire fighting in two fronts against French, British and Australian armies on the west and Russian army on the east. It was on the verge of collapse but they won and founded the Kemalist turkey later on. Patriotism? 2. World War II: Turkey makes an alliance with Nazi Germany and they had to open second front over Caucasus if the Stalingrad was going to fall (but the plan failed after the leftovers of German 6th army with Fieldmarshal Paulus surrendered to Soviets). Soviets knew about the secret pact between Turkey and Nazi Germany and they have placed big military forces along the border with Turkey. According to some unofficial soruces the General in charge to the soviet military forces contacted Stalin (when Stalingrad was liberated and the soviet forces were advancing) and asked for permission to invade Turkey but he has got refused. Luck? 3. The Cuban Missle Crisis: It started after US has stationed some middle range ballistic missles in Turkey on the border with Soviets. Thanks god the tension ended in favor of peace but imagine if US invaded Cuba to neutralize soviet missles there what could happen in Turkey? Turks were refusing US to take the missles out of Turkey in the aftermath of the confrontation (what an idiocy). Calculation? I am sure there were more such situations in the past centuries when Turkey was about to fall apart but they have managed to avoid it. What is your opinion on this? Maybe we should learn lessons from this? It keeps growing and getting more strong even with Kurdish separatism and Cyprus problems. I wonder now what is going to happen with the Iraqi Kurds issue. Another lucky outcome? Just like in comedy movies... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johannes Posted October 26, 2007 Report Share Posted October 26, 2007 Jealousy and contesting between the eastern and western European states in the past. Now between U.S and Russia. I think if U.S. declares a war against ''turkey'', Russians will defend turkey. As in the opposite situation, if Russia began a war. Turks ever complied their officials during the wars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 (edited) According to some unofficial soruces the General in charge to the soviet military forces contacted Stalin (when Stalingrad was liberated and the soviet forces were advancing) and asked for permission to invade Turkey but he has got refused. Luck? Same happened in 1947. Western Armenia was very close to be liberated if it was not the bastard Chirchil. Edited October 27, 2007 by gamavor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Error 404 Posted October 27, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 I can't remember the name of the General who asked for permission to invade Turkey. But according to the sources he promised Stalin to invade and control Turkey within hours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 II paterazmi avartits heto miyonits avel zinvorner HAy turqanakn sahamni vra eyin, himnakanum Leninankani koghm@, General Jukovi yev General / Marshal Baghramyani or babajanyan , @est patmutyuneri - asum en vro Jukov@ tuyl e tvel Patmakan Hayastan@ azatagrelu, sakayn Hye General@ hrajarvel e, yev tuyltvutyun xndrel stalinits vor@ yev merjel e 2 or heto.... asum en espes e yeghel menq forumum tariner araj xoselenq sra masin / chem gtnum te ur e topic@ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aratta-Kingdom Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 Same happened in 1947. Western Armenia was very close to be liberated if it was not the bastard Chirchil. gamoavor jan, shat harcerum menq el mexqi 'shat met's' bajin unenq. marshal bagramyanin arajarkvel el vor sahmanQ ancni, inchu charec. imijayaloc, arajarkutyun@ arvel er paterazmic anmijapes heto-naxqan stalini kogmic beriain turkqi ogarkel@, u naxqan amarikyan bazanner@ sahamani mot tegakayel@. nayev mo te ovqer ein churchili mot nstatsner@. inchpes lenin@ rusastanum, ataturq@ turqiayum, nuynpes yev dezraelin angliayum ashxatum ein zionistakan mek dzragir irakancnelu vra. mi moracir dezraelii xosqer@ 'angliakan naver@ hayakakan lerner@ chen karogh barcranal'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hagopn Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 It is interesting how many times in the history Turkey escaped of total collapse or invasion. What do you think is it luck or carefully calculated steps from Turkey's side or maybe it's the patriotism? Let me list here some recent facts from the last century. 1. The World War I and the battle of Galipoli. The "Sick man of Europe" the ottoman empire fighting in two fronts against French, British and Australian armies on the west and Russian army on the east. It was on the verge of collapse but they won and founded the Kemalist turkey later on. Patriotism? 2. World War II: Turkey makes an alliance with Nazi Germany and they had to open second front over Caucasus if the Stalingrad was going to fall (but the plan failed after the leftovers of German 6th army with Fieldmarshal Paulus surrendered to Soviets). Soviets knew about the secret pact between Turkey and Nazi Germany and they have placed big military forces along the border with Turkey. According to some unofficial soruces the General in charge to the soviet military forces contacted Stalin (when Stalingrad was liberated and the soviet forces were advancing) and asked for permission to invade Turkey but he has got refused. Luck? 3. The Cuban Missle Crisis: It started after US has stationed some middle range ballistic missles in Turkey on the border with Soviets. Thanks god the tension ended in favor of peace but imagine if US invaded Cuba to neutralize soviet missles there what could happen in Turkey? Turks were refusing US to take the missles out of Turkey in the aftermath of the confrontation (what an idiocy). Calculation? I am sure there were more such situations in the past centuries when Turkey was about to fall apart but they have managed to avoid it. What is your opinion on this? Maybe we should learn lessons from this? It keeps growing and getting more strong even with Kurdish separatism and Cyprus problems. I wonder now what is going to happen with the Iraqi Kurds issue. Another lucky outcome? Just like in comedy movies... Since day one, even before the taking of Constantinople, they have had the best Pimps in the world supporting their drive. Even the taking of Constantinple was mostly a non-Turkish Ottoman effort contrary to conventional "wisdom." "Luck" is a relative term. On #1, Gallipoli, what is not made evident is the large amount of support in terms of arms, intelligence, and finance Kemalists recieved behind the scenes. I wish I had the source handy, but I can't remember where I read this. One thing is certain is that no one is smart enough to gamble 100% correctly. The only explanation is aid from the outside. Precedence states that Turks and other barbarians always had European sponsors in their campaigns for conquest and later administrative hold of those conquests. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Error 404 Posted October 27, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 Since day one, even before the taking of Constantinople, they have had the best Pimps in the world supporting their drive. Even the taking of Constantinple was mostly a non-Turkish Ottoman effort contrary to conventional "wisdom." "Luck" is a relative term. On #1, Gallipoli, what is not made evident is the large amount of support in terms of arms, intelligence, and finance Kemalists recieved behind the scenes. I wish I had the source handy, but I can't remember where I read this. One thing is certain is that no one is smart enough to gamble 100% correctly. The only explanation is aid from the outside. Precedence states that Turks and other barbarians always had European sponsors in their campaigns for conquest and later administrative hold of those conquests. Do you mean German military and inteligence support? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 I can't remember the name of the General who asked for permission to invade Turkey. But according to the sources he promised Stalin to invade and control Turkey within hours. it was Djukov anlong with Bagramyan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hagopn Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 Do you mean German military and inteligence support? German, and, believe it or not, rogue elements in British intelligence, Italian weapons merchants, banking and insurance interests. There was a detailed article that I'm looking for on this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hagopn Posted October 28, 2007 Report Share Posted October 28, 2007 German, and, believe it or not, rogue elements in British intelligence, Italian weapons merchants, banking and insurance interests. There was a detailed article that I'm looking for on this. We keep forgetting that the Armenian Genocide, just like the Iraq war, was a great Carpet-bagging venture, a tremendous opportunity for corporate and state level pilferage of wealth of millions of people. I would wager that each and every billionaire and millionaire in Turkish society owe their fortunes to the mass pilferage that went on particularly during the genocide. Yet, themost to gain was also among the foreign corporate entities and financial interests. The insurance scam alone would probably mean unclaimed property damage of billions. What about life insurance that has never been claimed? Our "insurance claimsters" settled for some meeaningless miniscule settlement a short while ago, but the actual amount of theft from Armenians in terms of property/land, gold, and commercial interests is staggeringly high. This is not counting the frightening number of stolen women and children. When in Incirlik I met a particular "cultural" phenomenon among the Turds that surprised even me: The criminal, if a man, was not punished, but instead his wife would be condemned to spend time in a local brothel jail and "earn her freedom," which is simply "oh so disgraceful to her husband". I would wager also that this above disugsting "law" is a leftover from good old Ottoman days where 2nd, 3rd, 4th former Christian wives were bartered for the crime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takoush Posted October 29, 2007 Report Share Posted October 29, 2007 That is why turkey is denying the Genocide for as long as 92 years now. If they do accept it, they'll by inclined to pay us back huge amounts of money or return some of our anscestral lands back, or probably both. I will go back in history now for another nationality, the Jews; who claimed and got remuneration for even the golden teeth of every Jew after the haulocaust. And isn't it true that after making themselves quite affluent they started getting themselves slowly but surely in the U.S. hierarchy (the political upscales -the congress- of this country) and now they are well in control of the U.S. and also the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Error 404 Posted November 13, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2007 Ladies and Gentlemen, the showdown begins... http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/11/13/europe/turkey.php TUNCELI, Turkey: Four Turkish soldiers were killed Tuesday in clashes with guerrillas of the Kurdistan Workers' Party, or PKK, and Turkey sent hundreds of anti-terrorism special forces to the region bordering Iraq. Military sources said the special forces would join up to 100,000 Turkish troops near the border. Turkey has threatened an incursion into northern Iraq to root out PKK rebels who use mountains there as a base for attacks across the border. It was not clear whether the presence of the special forces in the provinces of Sirnak and Hakkari in southeast Turkey was linked to an offensive launched Tuesday against PKK rebels following clashes that left four soldiers dead. Troops, backed by tanks, attack helicopters and fighter jets, have been on standby for weeks in case the Turkish government authorizes an incursion. Washington and Baghdad oppose a major cross-border offensive, fearing it could destabilize northern Iraq and potentially threaten the wider region. Today in Europe Müntefering to quit as German vice chancellor Report describes abuses in Serbian state mental institutions EU moves to reduce aircraft emissions Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan, under intense domestic pressure to act after some 50 soldiers were killed in recent weeks, has pledged to send troops into northern Iraq if such attacks from Iraq continue. The Web site for NTV, a Turkish news channel, reported that Erdogan told a meeting of his Justice and Development Party on Monday night that "a cross-border operation is approaching." The meeting was closed to the media. "This business needs to happen before winter conditions worsen," he was quoted as saying. "If we don't see concrete things from the other side, an operation is near," he said. The death of the four soldiers in Sirnak Province on Tuesday is likely to increase pressure on the government to authorize an operation, despite logistical difficulties as the weather closes in across the rugged, mountainous region. Security sources said nine others had been wounded in the Sirnak clashes, which lasted more than an hour. President Abdullah Gul sent a message to General Yasar Buyukanit, chief of the armed forces, conveying his condolences to the soldiers' families, the military and the Turkish public. They were the first casualties of the conflict on Turkish territory since last week, when one soldier and three PKK guerrillas were killed in clashes. Separately, the Kurdistan regional government in northern Iraq denied media reports that Turkish attack helicopters and warplanes seeking PKK rebels had bombed empty villages in the area Tuesday morning. CNN Turk and NTV, citing Iraqi officials, reported that nobody had been killed in the bombings. Jamal Abdullah, a spokesman for the semiautonomous Kurdistan Regional Government, said two Turkish warplanes had dropped flares over a village near Zakho in northern Iraq on Monday. About 3,000 rebels use northern Iraq as a base for attacks in Turkey. The PKK took up arms in 1984 with the aim of creating an ethnic homeland in southeast Turkey, which is mainly Kurdish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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