Nor Hayastan Posted April 18, 2007 Report Share Posted April 18, 2007 As you may all know, many Armenian artists copy from international singing sensations abroad. Regarding this unfortunate trend in the Armenian music industry, we have to get this information out there to all the youth as well as all Armenians for that matter. This is like a battle we have to overcome, because it's all a grass-roots effort to stop these artists from copying music from other nationalities (especially our two most hated foes: Turkey & Azerbaijan). Therefore, if the youth does not see what is going on, they will continue supporting such artists, and this growing trend will only grow bigger… because it is undiscovered still (until now! ) Keep in mind that the beginning of each song is the year in which it came out, so it should be CLEAR who the original artist was. Here are some of the singers and songs that we will be looking at: Aygun Beyler is an Azeri singer, to tell you the truth I don’t know if he/she is a guy or girl, but from the singer’s voice… it appears that it is a she. In any case, Aygun is one of the sensations in Azerbaijan as she sings in the “mugham” style. You can hear the song that our Armenian singers copied from here: Copy & paste this link in a new window: http://www.csunasa.org/music/mp3/2004_Aygun Beyler-Tut_Agaci.mp3 http://www.csunasa.org/music/images/Hayko_Ghevondyan.jpg http://www.csunasa.org/music/images/Nana.jpg The Armenian singers who copied this song were Hayko Ghevondyan (a.k.a. Spitakci Hayko) and Nana. Both are extremely popular in Armenia, especially Spitakci Hayko since he sings at many parties throughout Armenia, and is featured in many DVD’s and CD’s. He is more a “mugham” singer than “estrada,” nonetheless he too copies many songs. Nana on the other hand is more estradayin, mixing pop tunes with Armenian instruments, she too has a few songs copied again from Azeri singers. The copied song was a duet both sung in 2005, which was a big hit in Armenia as well as the Diaspora alike. You can listen to the song here: Nana & Hayko Ghevondyan – Sirum Em Qez http://www.csunasa.org/music/images/Brilliant_Dadasheva.jpg Brilliant Dadasheva is an Azerbaijani singer who sings in a two styles – mugham & estrada (pop), but is mostly estrada. She has many CD’s out actually in Azerbaijan and is very popular, as you will see with all of the Turkish, Azerbaijani, and Arabic singers that I studied. You can listen to her song here: Brilliant Dadasheva – Seninleyem http://www.csunasa.org/music/images/Shavo.jpg Shavo is notorious for being a “rabiz/mugham” singer. He also sings estrada and slow songs, nonetheless he is a copy-cat artist. I think the trend of Armenian artists nowadays at least is to turn to Azerbaijani music to copy from, since it is mostly unknown. Usually any Armenians who would be listening to Anatolian music OTHER THAN Armenian, would most likely be Turkish. Therefore this gives the artist added leverage to copy from Azeri singers, because they are mostly unknown to the youth. In any case, this song appeared in Shavo’s latest CD which was released in 2005 entitled “Signature”: Shavo – Andzrev Achqeris http://www.csunasa.org/music/images/Ebru_Gundes.jpg Ebru Gundes I can say is like the queen of Turkish music! She is more popular today in Turkey than Tata is in Armenia and the Diaspora! In fact, she is so popular and has so many hits, that many Armenians artists copy her many hit songs. For purposes of this discussion, we will be focusing on her 1995 CD, which includes this hit song: Ebru Gundes - Firtinalar http://www.csunasa.org/music/images/Tatoul_Avoyan.jpg Tatoul Avoyan I am sure many of you guys know and have heard. He is considered one of the kings of “mugham.” He too has an abundant discography, but many songs were copied from Turkish singers. I personally like the lyrics of this song (at least the first part lol), but in any case once I know the song is copied, I usually disregard the song entirely. You can listen to his copied song here: Tatoul Avoyan – Qo Ser@ http://www.csunasa.org/music/images/Esra_Ozmen.jpg Esra Ozmen is not as popular a singer as Ebru Gundes is in Turkey, nonetheless as you will see in this next post, she does have some good songs (otherwise they wouldn’t be copied lol)! Her discography includes only 3 CD’s, yet she is an emerging star within the Turkish music industry. You can listen to her hit song “Tutus” (also the title to her album) here: Esra Izneb - Tutus http://www.csunasa.org/music/images/Armenchik.jpg One of the biggest stars, if not the biggest Armenian singer here in the Los Angeles area, Armenchik carries with him the many hits that thousands of Armenians listen to and love here in LA and abroad. He will be coming up with a new CD in the near future entitled “Havatam Te Che,” but for our discussion purposes we will focus on a song which was in his last CD entitled “Mi Qich-Mi Qich”: Armenchik – Um @ntrecir http://www.csunasa.org/music/images/Nancy_Ayjrm.jpg It was also apparent in my study of this topic that Armenian artists don’t only copy from Turkish and Azerbaijani music. They have also gone into several other music markets, including Arabic. “Having sold over 4 million albums in Lebanon, [Nancy] Ajram ranks as the third best-selling female artist in Lebanese and Egyptian music history (Wikipedia: Nancy Ajram).” She in fact has an excessive discography that she has made over many years from teenager until now. The song we will be looking at was in her latest CD entitled “Ah W Noss”: Nancy Ajram – Sana Wara Sana http://www.csunasa.org/music/images/Gevorg_Chamichyan.jpg Gevorg Chamichyan (a.k.a. Gevo), is an emerging rabiz singer for today’s Armenian youth. In his latest CD entitled “The Truth,” he mixed rap elements with rabiz beats and international (copied) music. Let me tell you that more than half of the songs in that CD were basically copies from Romanian, Arabic, Turkish, Bulgarian, and Farsi songs! I was shocked, and what is so saddening about it all is that a lot of youth buy into him and those copied songs. You can listen to his copied song here: Gevorg Chamichyan – Mi Gna-Mi Gna Guys please write your opinions on what you think about what is happening in the Armenian music industry. Do you think this type of stuff is right or wrong, and how can we (as youth) stop these artists from doing this, and hurting our overall image? Post your comments here, and get the word out! P.S. The mp3's offered in this post are for educational reference only, and are not meant to be copied onto CD's. The important part is that you understand this phenomena, and let me tell you... I have A LOT MORE songs like that. This list is too long to make right now, but whoever is interested I am willing to spread the word. And please... spread the word so at least... the veryyyyyyy least these artists can get HUMILIATED by what they do, and how they REPRESENT our culture in the mainstream, either directly or indirectly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted April 18, 2007 Report Share Posted April 18, 2007 search for rabiz in our forum and you will get your answer also none of the artists that you have chosen are representing Armenia nor the Armenian culture / many Armenia would not even consider them Artists - singers for party's or some POP event many of the songs that you see in those records are most likely international by now / so let them sing / if this is how people of Armenia turky azerbujan or iran are going to undressed each other - so let them sing and have atlist one common interest .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted April 18, 2007 Report Share Posted April 18, 2007 Nor Hayastan, thank you! I welcome your post very much. Yes, we have talked about this a lot on Hyeforum, but it's never too much since apparently people don't get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nor Hayastan Posted April 18, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 18, 2007 Ya guys, people don't get it and they take this the wrong way. I know you guys talked about it in the forum, but when you have CONCRETE evidence it's even more interesting. Did you notice... that on some of the songs they used what I like to call "filler" music in the beginning to make it sound as if it were a different song, then the main music comes in Mos jan, aper let them do what they want is not the right way to approach it. These people are artists, if we like it or not. Aram also has a few which you know, even in his latest CD entitled "Anunt;" the "Havata" song was taken from a hit azeri song. Here is the azeri song, whoever has heard Aram's 2006 CD will recognize the beat: Mos jan it's the fact that they are Armenian, and the fact that many of our youth listen to this music, and in fact dance under some of these tunes, WITHOUT knowing that they are turkish, azeri, or otherwise. This is degrading to us, and I don't care if they are wedding singers or whatever, if they are well-known (which most are, namely Armenchik), then this shouldn't happen in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hosank Posted April 18, 2007 Report Share Posted April 18, 2007 i don't like any of those artists anyways..but ya..they are pop artists, and pop artists around the world copy eachother's beats, so .. but i agree, armenians have a unique culture and music, why copy from others Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted April 18, 2007 Report Share Posted April 18, 2007 Ya guys, people don't get it and they take this the wrong way. I know you guys talked about it in the forum, but when you have CONCRETE evidence it's even more interesting. Did you notice... that on some of the songs they used what I like to call "filler" music in the beginning to make it sound as if it were a different song, then the main music comes in Mos jan, aper let them do what they want is not the right way to approach it. These people are artists, if we like it or not. Aram also has a few which you know, even in his latest CD entitled "Anunt;" the "Havata" song was taken from a hit azeri song. Here is the azeri song, whoever has heard Aram's 2006 CD will recognize the beat: Mos jan it's the fact that they are Armenian, and the fact that many of our youth listen to this music, and in fact dance under some of these tunes, WITHOUT knowing that they are turkish, azeri, or otherwise. This is degrading to us, and I don't care if they are wedding singers or whatever, if they are well-known (which most are, namely Armenchik), then this shouldn't happen in the first place. nice to see that your concerned and welling to take auction we have been discussing this for long time - don;t know how much impact we have had .... there is a big change this days in our music - our traditional and professional POP is regaining it's grounds has the name Ashot Begoyan sound familiar to you ??? his known as ToTik - his one the famous City Singers ( Rabiz ) of all time but also a composer and a song writer - his songs are not only used ( purchased ) by Armenian singers but also by others i wish i had time to chitchat but have a an appointment w/ sushi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zartonk Posted April 18, 2007 Report Share Posted April 18, 2007 I like how Mos just referred to Rabiz singers as city singers. Interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nor Hayastan Posted April 19, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2007 I like how Mos just referred to Rabiz singers as city singers. Interesting. Jisht a asum Mos@ Yev ayo, gitem Totik-i masin iharke. Nayev Tatayi yerqern el tarqmanac kan Bulghareghen yev Vraceren (Anapati Arev & Ov E Na, respectively) Arami "Surp Sarqis" yerqn el Hriyaeren Indeed everything is changing little by little. Look at Arman Aghajanyan's compositions, or Marine Gyulumyan, or Marine Ales. What Armenia lacks are composers of music however, I think if this were solved (I'm guessing more $ being available to them...), then this copying wouldn't exist as much as it does (or did). And yes yes I know you discussed this topic before, but this time I have evidence So decided to open a topic up on my own. If you want more songs I'll be willing to post. Name a singer and I'll see if I have a song copied by them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted April 19, 2007 Report Share Posted April 19, 2007 I like how Mos just referred to Rabiz singers as city singers. Interesting. from Russian - garadskoy muzika - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nor Hayastan Posted May 5, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2007 Guys I just found a song that Armenchik sang, his "Lav Lsi" song, from the Gone Gone CD. Guys, guess who he copied from? turkish... azerbaijani... arabic...iranian... NONE OF THE ABOVE! In fact... BULGARIAN! Then again, i was thinking that might be a copied song, but still... [2000] Ivana - Rodena V Ogun [2001] Armenchik - Lav Lsi I'll try to post links so u guys can hear it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nor Hayastan Posted May 5, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2007 Here's the link guys: http://www.mediafire.com/?1yd3j5jhnzw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zartonk Posted May 5, 2007 Report Share Posted May 5, 2007 from Russian - garadskoy muzika - Eghav, shnorhaqal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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