Anoushik Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 Jumping from article to article on Wikipedia I suddenly came across to Theremin. I'd completely forgotten about this amazing instrument. Theremin is an electronic musical instrument that one plays without ever touching it. I actually got to try it in my theory class last year! It's really hard to control it. It's not as easy as it looks. (There's a keyboard instrument in the background.) ... I've never heard of Armen Ra but he was mentioned in Wikipedia. He certainly is a curiosity, especially if you take a look at his photos in his MySpace profile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 http://www.peterpringle.com/pg1.html founded by Peter Pringle the first time i have hurt of the instrument was frome Mr Peter Pringle hi self / we have spend over 30 minutes talking and he has had so much knowledge on Armenian music and Sharakans, when he gave me the link to listen to the music / sound - it was amazing / if i'm not wrong in one of teh sits i have found him playing a Armenian Sharakan. well now his in to Armenian Duduk - and i will not be surprised to see him combining our duduk & Theremin in a recording Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted February 17, 2007 Report Share Posted February 17, 2007 I'm truly frustrated at this point, because after listening to Armen Ra's execution of Massenet on the theremin I was convinced that he was the brain behind the "saw" in the soundtrack of "Delicatessen." But after checking the credits, I found Les Sipolos being the musical saw player. Anoushik, is it possible to play the saw?? It sounds (almost?) exactly like the theremin and in "Delicatessen" it IS in fact the same piece by Massenet that Ra is playing. Anyway, thanks for sharing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yervant1 Posted February 17, 2007 Report Share Posted February 17, 2007 I'm truly frustrated at this point, because after listening to Armen Ra's execution of Massenet on the theremin I was convinced that he was the brain behind the "saw" in the soundtrack of "Delicatessen." But after checking the credits, I found Les Sipolos being the musical saw player. Anoushik, is it possible to play the saw?? It sounds (almost?) exactly like the theremin and in "Delicatessen" it IS in fact the same piece by Massenet that Ra is playing. Anyway, thanks for sharing. Nairi I felt the same way after I heard it. I have seen few times people play the saw, the vibration sound of the saw is almost like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted February 17, 2007 Report Share Posted February 17, 2007 I found this person: http://www.sawlady.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted February 17, 2007 Report Share Posted February 17, 2007 And, perhaps not so surprising, this page: http://www.theremin-saw.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted February 17, 2007 Report Share Posted February 17, 2007 NPR had a pretty good story about it few years back http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1147257 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted February 19, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2007 I'm truly frustrated at this point, because after listening to Armen Ra's execution of Massenet on the theremin I was convinced that he was the brain behind the "saw" in the soundtrack of "Delicatessen." But after checking the credits, I found Les Sipolos being the musical saw player. Anoushik, is it possible to play the saw?? It sounds (almost?) exactly like the theremin and in "Delicatessen" it IS in fact the same piece by Massenet that Ra is playing. Anyway, thanks for sharing. I've heard about the musical saw, but have never seen it performed live. The idea is really cool. Yes, theremin and the musical saw sound alike (kind of creepy to my ears). Now, she is a really good theremin performer. She's a virtuoso theremin performer who studied with her uncle, Theremin, himself. Needless to say, there is a big difference between her performance and Armen Ra's (to be fair, Armen Ra's only been performing this difficult instrument for two years). It's kind of hard to take this instrument seriously. I guess that's why Lydia's stage has science-fiction background There are a lot of videos on Youtube with musical saws as well. I guess I'm a traditionalist musician. Even though the idea of musical saw is kind of cool, it does seem ridiculous and unnecessary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vava Posted February 19, 2007 Report Share Posted February 19, 2007 I'm truly frustrated at this point, because after listening to Armen Ra's execution of Massenet on the theremin I was convinced that he was the brain behind the "saw" in the soundtrack of "Delicatessen." But after checking the credits, I found Les Sipolos being the musical saw player. Anoushik, is it possible to play the saw?? It sounds (almost?) exactly like the theremin and in "Delicatessen" it IS in fact the same piece by Massenet that Ra is playing. Anyway, thanks for sharing. So I wasn't the only one! Nice thread For the record Here's the IMDB entry for Delicatessen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted February 19, 2007 Report Share Posted February 19, 2007 It's kind of hard to take this instrument seriously. I guess that's why Lydia's stage has science-fiction background According to Wikipedia numerous bands have used the theremin, including Radiohead, Led Zeppelin, Portishead, and even System of a Down. Seems to be coming back into popularity... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theremin See also: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lX8vrt3j1xc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted February 19, 2007 Report Share Posted February 19, 2007 Theremin by Masami Takeuchi http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwqLyeq9OJI nice !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vava Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 I believe it was the Beach Boys, and Brian Wilson, who paved the way for the Theramin in "pop" music - and this would have been in the late 50's! I think the guy who played/made it for them was named Paul Tonner, or something like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vava Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 Whoops! In the article that sweet Nairi posted, they address the Beach Boys use of the Theramin - and it wasn't a real theramin, but an "Electro Theramin"! And it's Paul Tanner, not Tonner. Mon dieu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted February 20, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lX8vrt3j1xc Thanks for this! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zartonk Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 I believe it was the Beach Boys, and Brian Wilson, who paved the way for the Theramin in "pop" music - and this would have been in the late 50's! Yes yes, Good "Vibrations", (and what a song) and yes it wasn't genuine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arax Posted February 22, 2007 Report Share Posted February 22, 2007 (edited) I had the pleasure of seeing Armen Ra in concert at the United Nations last year, and after waiting in reception line for 45 minutes, I met him. He was elegant and gracious, with the mannerism of a prince. Fluent in Armenian and from a prominent aristocratic family in Iran. I have also seen Lydia Kavina 3 times, and there is no comparison. Ms Kavina having studied with her uncle since the age of 9,( she is in her 40's) and Armen only playing for 5 years. I actually fell asleep the last time I saw Lydia. However Armens intensity and emotional playing had me in tears. Considering the short time he has played he is excelling rapidly. This "curiosity" has performed at many high end venues, he is an excellent musician and very well know in US and Europe, having just played in Vienna for the anniversary of Mozart. Perhaps before your smug comment you should read the list of places he has performed, and how much awareness he has brought to the cause of the Genocide. By curiosity you must mean stunning, beautiful and other worldly. At least he has the power to be himself, and show his face to the world. His beautiful Armenian face! I wonder what you look like? hiding behind your anonymous computer screen, being judgmental? Shouldn't we support young Armenian artists, rather than calling them "curiosities" and unnecessarily criticizing them? AMOT KEZ A. Makarian Connecticut U.S. for those of you with education and open minds here is his myspace pages. http://www.myspace.com/armenra http://www.myspace.com/armenramusic Edited February 22, 2007 by arax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted February 22, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2007 Arax, is your comment directed at me? Reading over this thread I can only conclude that your comment is directed at me since no one else has written about Armen Ra in here. Why jump to quick conclusions? If I hadn't thought positively about Armen Ra I never would have mentioned him in here. By curiosity you must mean stunning, beautiful and other worldly. At least he has the power to be himself, and show his face to the world. His beautiful Armenian face! Yes, that's exacly what I thought! Why jump to wrong conclusions? What I meant by "curiosity" is his choice of make-up and dress when he performs. But I never criticized him. If you decide to stick around in Hyeforum (or maybe join other forums) you'll learn quickly to not jump to conclusions and put your own thoughts into what others are thinking. It's ok though, I remember I was liked that too when I first joined Hyeforum And regarding Lydia Kavina, yes, she is a virtuoso. I also mentioned that. Let's not get emotional about Armen being better just because he's Armenian. If you listen to Lydia's performance and compare it to Armen's it's like comparing night and day. Lydia plays in tune. Armen is playing close to tune. Again, it's because of Lydia's experience and background. But as a musician I can also hear that Armen is a musician at heart. Even if he's still working on his technique of playing the theremin, I can hear that whatever amount he's playing he's doing a good job. I'd choose his performance any moment over the robotic performance of Masami Takeuchi that MosJan has posted above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armenak Posted November 19, 2007 Report Share Posted November 19, 2007 Enter the world of Armen Ra * Thereminist's repertoire includes Sayat Nova and Ganatchian by Adrineh Gregorian Melodies created by the theremin are ominous and eerie, more suited for the mysterious world of the Addams Family and less like macabre sounds of Diamanda Galas. Such is the musical forte of the most exceptional artist I've ever met, thereminist Armen Ra. In fact, his talent is extraordinarily rare among musicians, as the theremin has been mastered by only a few. I first heard of Armen Ra in 2005, when I was at a Voluptuous Horror of Karen Black concert and heard lead singer Kembra announce Armen. I couldn't believe that the costume-immersed svelte playing spooky sounds was an Armenian. Come to think of it, why not? The sound of the theremin is not much different than that of the duduk. Both are richly soulful, soft, and have a slightly nasal timbre. After the show I ran backstage yelling "Armen!" figuring the chances of another Armen being at this cult favorite concert were nil. Upon meeting me, Armen was equally excited to meet another Armenian and gave me his CD of Sayat Nova's traditional hymns played on the theremin. Since our meeting, I learned how Armen Ra performs in prestigious venues across the globe, bringing his eclectic music to untapped ears. Born Armen Hovanesian, Armen grew up in Tehran, then Massachusetts, and moved to New York City when he was 16. Growing up he always had a strong musical instinct. Having been raised in a musical and artistic family "my instincts were cultivated and reinforced," said Armen. His aunt, Shake Makarian, is a well-known opera singer and ikebana master, while his pianist mother Ruizanna Hovanesian attended Santa Cecillia conservatory in Rome. Armen first learned about the theremin at 17 when he saw it featured in a PBS documentary. "I was mesmerized by the fact that it is played without touching, and that it can sound so similar to an operatic voice," said Armen. Somehow Armen was able to play it right away, even though he was told it is the hardest instrument to learn -- it takes perfect pitch and dexterity. "By practicing constantly and devoting myself to it, I refined the technique, and am always attempting new and more challenging material," Armen said. Though Armen fiddled with other instruments, including the piano and violin at a young age, he wasn't interested in either. Armen said, "the theremin being so strange and otherworldly was a perfect match!" Performing Armenian songs with the theremin was a natural desire for Armen since he's always been moved by traditional and classical Armenian melodies. "It was the first kind of music that I was exposed to," said Armen. "I have always been very emotionally affected by them. Especially Gomidas and Sayat Nova, as well as Ganatchian and Avedissian." The theremin has no strings, buttons, or surface to beat against. Musicians use their hands as they glide across an energy filed to produce sounds. "There is no physical sensation," said Armen, "because of the intense concentration, I go into a trance-like state." His debut theremin performance came a few years later with his friend and inspiration Antony, of Antony and the Johnson's at the famed Knitting Factory in New York City. He has performed at the United Nations in New York, Wiener Konzerthaus Mozartsaal in Vienna, the Disney Concert Hall in Los Angeles, WIGSTOCK!, the MTV Video Music Awards with Madonna, the legendary CBGB's, Knitting Factory, Museum of Modern Art, Lincoln Center, and the Gershwin Hotel in Manhattan, to name a few. Armen has also been featured on television and appeared in Vogue, New York Times, New York Post, Village Voice, Rolling Stone, Amica, Glamour, Paper, Mademoiselle, Elle, Visonaire, Time Out NY, and too many more to mention. Armen flourished, not only as a self-taught master of the theremin, but also as one of New York's leading aesthetes. By combining both the visual and aural aspects of his craft, Armen has developed an art form that is truly his own and is something quite amazing to behold. * A strong visual Preparing costume ensembles for his performances is an organic process for Armen. It is yet another form of artistic expression that add layers to the listening experience. "I don't think of it as dressing up," said Armen. "I feel that the instrument and music demand a strong visual." Friend and renowned clothing designer Thierry Mugler has also designed attire for Armen. Armen definitely gives the audience an aesthetically alluring visual. "Much like the films of Parajanov, especially Color of Pomegranate," said Armen. "I wouldn't say the actors were dressed up. However, the visual intensity and androgyny of the characters was an artistic expression and made the film a work of art." With his theremin, Armen performs his fusion of Armenian folk music with modern instrumentation, along with melodic lounge standards and classical arias. His unique and elegant recitals transport the listener to a time and place of beauty, emotional healing, and, of course, sacred glamor. In 2007 the curators at the Disney Concert Hall presented a theremin orchestra as part of Pravda, a showcase of music born in the Soviet era. They wanted to recreate the ten-theremin orchestra that performed in 1922 under the direction of inventor Lev Theremin himself at Carnegie Hall. This time around, the ten thereminists were from all over the United States and Europe. Each was sent their musical parts to their disparate locales and they only had three rehearsals as a group once everyone arrived in Los Angeles. "It was an extraordinary and glorious experience," said Armen. "The facilities of Disney Hall are state of the art, and it was a pleasure to perform at such an exquisite venue." There is talk of re-staging the theremin orchestra but nothing has been confirmed yet. * Armenian party monster Known for his outrageous costumes, Armen was also an eminent figure of the bustling arts scene happening in Manhattan in the 80s and 90s -- part muse, part "it" boy, part underground star. When Armen first moved to New York City at the age of 16, it was a much different place, especially the downtown club scene. "It was easy to get into clubs if you looked interesting," said Armen, "and no one bothered checking IDs." The first time Armen went to a big club, he was discovered and photographed by the iconic Andy Warhol. This recognition led the club owner to ask him to come back three nights a week and put him on the payroll. "So essentially I was paid just to attend," said Armen. Soon after that he was introduced to all of the happening club promoters and became a regular on the scene. Armen recounted, "I had various jobs, mostly showing up and looking fabulous." "The scene was very creative," said Armen. "We all made our own costumes, and were very much a community." In addition to the glamorous life, Armen modeled for photographer Roxanne Lowit (Conde Nast) and she put him in Italian Vogue the first time when he was 20. Fashion, clubbing, and fame; this extravagant lifestyle soon revealed a shadier side. In the mid 90s the scene started to become very dark, with the introduction of heavy drugs, as depicted in the film Party Monster (2003), which features Armen. This led Armen to distance himself, and he started working as a make-up artist at Patricia Field's trendy store in Manhattan, and he began designing handmade jewelry. (The Emmy-award-winning Field was fashion designer for Sex and the City and Devil Wears Prada.) Since his clubbing days, Armen has been featured in films and television. He designed jewelry for Todd Oldham and was photographed by him extensively. Armen recorded with Debbie Harry, and through the years has schmoozed with Aretha Franklin, Diana Ross, shared a stage with Patti Labelle, modeled for renowned photographer David Lachapelle, and appeared on the cover of Rolling Stone in 2000. His pictures were sent to painter Salvador Dali just before he died. Armen said, "he wanted to paint me but then he died.... Damn it!" His friendship with singer-avant garde performance artist Diamanda Galas has blossomed into more than just a personal bond. In 2003, Galas released the album Defixiones, Will and Testament: Orders from the Dead, an 80-minute memorial tribute to the Armenian, Greek, Assyrian, and Hellenic victims of genocide. Galas is a staunch supporter of Armenian causes and had Armen and his family translate Armenian text for her genocide piece. Armen's latest film appearance was in the movie Fur (2006) with Nicole Kidman and Robert Downey, Jr. He recently filmed a piece for the Independent Film Channel, which is airing this week. Future plans include participating in the film adaptation of the Dorian Gray story shooting in New York City through 2008. And, of course, theremin performances throughout the United States and Europe in 2008. Earlier this month, on November 7, Armen brought his musical genius to the legendary Magic Castle in Hollywood, California. He played to two sold-out crowds. The famously exclusive magic club allowed Armen fans to enter without membership -- a feat in itself. * Love is the most important ingredient "I am compelled to mention that my family has been completely supportive of all of my endeavors through the years," Armen said proudly. "Thankfully they are all very educated, artistic, worldly, and loving, and without their support, dedication and love this life would have been much more difficult. "My grandmother Arax Makarian is 100, and has been an important figure in Armenian culture," added Armen. "She along with the rest of the family is very proud of my accomplishments." Armen feels privileged to have arrived in such an openminded and supportive family. "I adore them!" he said. The arts community adores Armen, too. Being an integral part of a creative revolution in New York, his contribution to our present artistic landscape continues to unfold. connect: www.myspace.com/armenra *** The theremin The entry for theremin in wikipedia.com offers the following description of the instrument: The theremin or thereminvox, is one of the earliest fully electronic musical instruments. It was invented by Russian inventor Léon Theremin in 1919, and it is unique in that it was the first musical instrument designed to be played without being touched. It generally consists of two pitch and one volume radio frequency oscillators and two metal antennas. The electric signals from the theremin are amplified and sent to a loudspeaker. To play the theremin, the player moves his hands around the two metal antennas, which control the instrument's frequency (pitch) and amplitude (volume). http://www.reporter.am/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted November 19, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2007 That's really cool Known for his outrageous costumes, Armen was also an eminent figure of the bustling arts scene happening in Manhattan in the 80s and 90s -- part muse, part "it" boy, part underground star. How old is he? I thought he was younger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armenak Posted November 19, 2007 Report Share Posted November 19, 2007 I don't know his age anoushik, but it seems you were scolded by his 100-year-old grandmother earlier this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VartanM Posted November 19, 2007 Report Share Posted November 19, 2007 What's his full lastname, anyone know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted November 19, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2007 I don't know his age anoushik, but it seems you were scolded by his 100-year-old grandmother earlier this year. Interesting! I didn't notice that small detail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted November 19, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2007 What's his full lastname, anyone know? The article says that his last name is "Hovanesian". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted November 19, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2007 I don't know his age anoushik, but it seems you were scolded by his 100-year-old grandmother earlier this year. But it can't possibly be her, right? Nah... maybe a relative, otherwise I'd have to say that his 100-year-old grandmother is a pretty progressive woman, visiting online forums and posting. My mom only recently got into the idea of the internet and has been actively searching music-related videos on Youtube Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VartanM Posted November 20, 2007 Report Share Posted November 20, 2007 Thanks Anushik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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