Arpa Posted January 26, 2007 Report Share Posted January 26, 2007 The O Factor. How many names do you know that end in O as a form of diminution and or endearment. Let’s begin with Abraham/Abo/Apo. High Gams!! :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted January 26, 2007 Report Share Posted January 26, 2007 What the heck? I have a little time to spare. Sarkis - Sako/Saro (?) Avetis/k - Avo Tigran - Tiko Mkrtich - Miko Matevos - Mato Margaret - Maro Lusine - Luso Sharvash - Shavo Hovhannes - Hovo Karapet - Karo Andranik - Ando Armen - Armo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted January 26, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2007 What the heck? I have a little time to spare. Sarkis - Sako/Saro (?) ====== Yes, Nair-O/Nar-O. Very good ! Not to forget "Narot kapel e tsaren ter papan" from "Qun Eghir Balas". You got the idea except that you got ahead of yourself. Besides Mach-O, Ranb-O, Angl-O, Armen-O,, Eur-O, Russ-O, Sino-O etc. Can we get back to the Alphabet/Ayb Ben Gim and see how many there are each in their proper alphabetical order? We have not yet finished with the letter A/ Ayb. I know, I know. There will be very few here with names like Armen/Armenuhi/Armo, Andranik/Ando, Artashes/Ardag/Artak/Ardo, Edward/Edo, Movses/Mosso…. etc. to dare contribute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted January 26, 2007 Report Share Posted January 26, 2007 Gagik - Gago Vaghinak - Vagho (Vgho) Vazgen - Vzgo Shmavon - Shmo Suren - Suro Gurgen - Gugo Anahit - Ano Artavazd - Arto Hambardzum - Hambo Hamayak - Hamo Miqael - Miqo Samvel - Samo Felix - Felo Telman - Telo Marqarit - Maqo Saribek - Saro Asatour - Aso Astghik - Aso Petros - Peto Gevorg - Gevo Soghomon - Sogho Kirakos - Kiro Davit - Davo Drastamat - Dro Elizabeth - Elo Gapriel - Gapo Isahak - Iso can i stop now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted January 26, 2007 Report Share Posted January 26, 2007 To take it to a linguistic level, it is interesting to see which names can be shortened with -o and which generally cannot or don't. Is there a rule? The other most common diminutive is -ik. Again the question would be, which names are shortened with -ik and which are not. And finally, which names take both -o and -ik. Another point of interest--a more sociological one--is that neither -o nor -ik indicate gender. There are other languages that would have -o and -a, for instance, for boys and girls respectively. Armenian doesn't seem to make this distinction, although arguably more male names take -o than female names. Arpo/Arpik/Arpenik, my family has called me Nairuk for as long as I can remember. Harutik, I've also heard Vago for Vazgen. And when I think about it, Margo for Margarit/et. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted January 26, 2007 Report Share Posted January 26, 2007 Baghdasar - check out his website at: http://www.bghdo.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted January 26, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2007 To take it to a linguistic level, it is interesting to see which names can be shortened with -o and which generally cannot or don't. Is there a rule? The other most common diminutive is -ik. Again the question would be, which names are shortened with -ik and which are not. And finally, which names take both -o and -ik. Another point of interest--a more sociological one--is that neither -o nor -ik indicate gender. There are other languages that would have -o and -a, for instance, for boys and girls respectively. Armenian doesn't seem to make this distinction, although arguably more male names take -o than female names. Arpo/Arpik/Arpenik, my family has called me Nairuk for as long as I can remember. Harutik, I've also heard Vago for Vazgen. And when I think about it, Margo for Margarit/et. Very good Nair-o, Nair-a, Nair-ik, Nair-uk. Very provocative. But please, please everyone, we will come to that, we have not yet finished the A/Ayb list, let us exhaust that first. Once we do that we will come to B/Ben list and so on. It is very difficult to decide whether we will stick to the Mesropian Ayb Ben Gim up to O Fe or the Latin A to Z. Very good Nair-o, Nair-a, Nair-ik, Nair-uk. Very provocative. But please, please everyone, we will come to that, we have not yet finished the A/Ayb list. Once we do that we will come to B/Ben list and so on. It is very difficult to decide whether we will stick to the Mesropian Ayb Ben Gim up to O Fe or the Latin A to Z. BTW. Even if this is still out of order, many Baghtasars are known as Baghtik. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted January 26, 2007 Report Share Posted January 26, 2007 (edited) To take it to a linguistic level, it is interesting to see which names can be shortened with -o and which generally cannot or don't. Is there a rule? The other most common diminutive is -ik. Again the question would be, which names are shortened with -ik and which are not. And finally, which names take both -o and -ik. Another point of interest--a more sociological one--is that neither -o nor -ik indicate gender. There are other languages that would have -o and -a, for instance, for boys and girls respectively. Armenian doesn't seem to make this distinction, although arguably more male names take -o than female names. Arpo/Arpik/Arpenik, my family has called me Nairuk for as long as I can remember. Harutik, I've also heard Vago for Vazgen. And when I think about it, Margo for Margarit/et. to think of it now, Maqo is Maqrouhi... (probably)... and Maro is Mariam... as for -ik, some names take -chik instead... don't ask me why... armenchik, karenchik... Edited January 26, 2007 by Harut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted January 26, 2007 Report Share Posted January 26, 2007 This may come in handy for reference.. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=a...amp;btnG=Search Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted January 26, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2007 (edited) This may come in handy for reference.. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=a...amp;btnG=Search Yes Nairi, you beat me to it. My only concern was the EA/WA spelling. Like Atranig v Andranik. Edited January 26, 2007 by Arpa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted January 26, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2007 to think of it now, Maqo is Maqrouhi... (probably)... and Maro is Mariam... as for -ik, some names take -chik instead... don't ask me why... armenchik, karenchik... Chik? Like in chick? Then it should only apply to “chicks”, as in agh-chik. I can’t think of any examples but to me it seems to be Rusian influence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted January 26, 2007 Report Share Posted January 26, 2007 Chik? Like in chick? Then it should only apply to “chicks”, as in agh-chik. I can’t think of any examples but to me it seems to be Rusian influence. could be... how about, davit - davulik edward - edulik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted January 26, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2007 (edited) could be... how about, davit - davulik edward - edulik We already know that -ik is a dimnutive, if endearing suffix as in Harut/Harutik, Moses/Mosik and Hovan/Hovik, Anush/Anushik, Kakach/Kakachik, Maral/Maralik. Where are they? Edited January 26, 2007 by Arpa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armenak Posted January 26, 2007 Report Share Posted January 26, 2007 Hayk - Hayko Jirayr - Jiro There's also Kamo, but I don't know what it's a shortening of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zartonk Posted January 26, 2007 Report Share Posted January 26, 2007 (edited) Khachik/Khachatur- Khecho Konstantin- Koko Vahan- Vano (Ready?) Dyusayzn- Dodo I enjoy Bghdo. Sounds like a burp. Edited January 26, 2007 by Zartonk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted January 27, 2007 Report Share Posted January 27, 2007 as for -ik, some names take -chik instead... don't ask me why... armenchik, karenchik... I've heard the -chik ending as well. But I believe it's rather rare. Same with -ak, as in Armenak. But not Karenak (at least that I've heard of). Obviously -o and -ik are the most productive suffixes, i.e. they can be attached to practically any name in Armenian. It would be a futile exercise to try to make an exhaustive list, since the list would be (almost) infinite. Speaking of Harut.. I came across Haro in one of the baby names sites (don't remember which one). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armenak Posted January 27, 2007 Report Share Posted January 27, 2007 Heh, there's also the Turkish name for Harutyun... Artin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted January 27, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2007 (edited) Heh, there's also the Turkish name for Harutyun... Artin. You'd better wash your mouth with clorox, that is if you don't want us to send Ovannes/Hovannes after you. And if that is not scary enough we'll send Akob/Hakob/Hako/Ako Remember Sayat Nova's given name Aroutin/Harutyun? Artin is very common in Kilikian Armenians, it is an abbreviated form of Arutin. The Hee may have been dropped just like we drop it in Hajogh/successful to Aj/right hand, or visa versa. Edited January 27, 2007 by Arpa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armenak Posted January 27, 2007 Report Share Posted January 27, 2007 Well, yeah, it's often used as a shortening by Armenians, but wasn't the part about the Turks correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted January 27, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2007 (edited) Well, yeah, it's often used as a shortening by Armenians, but wasn't the part about the Turks correct? NO!!! Of course this semantics, i.e. playing with words.Idon't think you read my above comment or maybe did not understand it.How can it be Turkish? When did Turks name their children Arutin/Harutyun/Artin? Why would Turks be involved in how Armenians call their own names? Is Sargo/Sako Turkish too? Edited January 27, 2007 by Arpa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armenak Posted January 27, 2007 Report Share Posted January 27, 2007 How can the city name "Istanbul" be considered Turkish then? What about Izmir? They are all "Turkish" aren't they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted January 27, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2007 (edited) How can the city name "Istanbul" be considered Turkish then? What about Izmir? They are all "Turkish" aren't they? Istanbul is a corrupted form of Constantinople and Izmir that of Smyrna. Just like Sebastia to Sivas and Kesaria to Kaiseri, and many more. Strictly speaking neither is native Turkish. Edited January 27, 2007 by Arpa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted January 27, 2007 Report Share Posted January 27, 2007 Speaking of Harut.. I came across Haro in one of the baby names sites (don't remember which one). my mom for some reason has started calling me haro recently... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted January 27, 2007 Report Share Posted January 27, 2007 Very good Nair-o, Nair-a, Nair-ik, Nair-uk. Very provocative. But please, please everyone, we will come to that, we have not yet finished the A/Ayb list, let us exhaust that first. Once we do that we will come to B/Ben list and so on. It is very difficult to decide whether we will stick to the Mesropian Ayb Ben Gim up to O Fe or the Latin A to Z. Very good Nair-o, Nair-a, Nair-ik, Nair-uk. Very provocative. But please, please everyone, we will come to that, we have not yet finished the A/Ayb list. Once we do that we will come to B/Ben list and so on. It is very difficult to decide whether we will stick to the Mesropian Ayb Ben Gim up to O Fe or the Latin A to Z. BTW. Even if this is still out of order, many Baghtasars are known as Baghtik. Arpa you may know this, but dosent BAGHDASAR mean "mountain of God"? BAG-ARARICH-ASTVATS, Bag-d(h)a-Sar, BAG-A-VAN, BAGAVAN we know in Russian God means BOGH, and many Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted January 27, 2007 Report Share Posted January 27, 2007 Hayk - Hayko Jirayr - Jiro There's also Kamo, but I don't know what it's a shortening of. kamo is not short for anything... it was Simon Ter-Petrosian's revolutionary nickname... thus, it became a popular name during soviet times... can't remember how the word itself was coined, but i believe there is a reference to that in the hyefilm movie 'kamo'... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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