RemainFaithful Posted November 21, 2006 Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 The word "program" and "programming" have different meanings in different places. I know that "program" means յայտագիր, however it doesn't seem to give the right meaning for "programming". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted November 21, 2006 Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 program - ծրագիր programming - ծրագրավորում Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RemainFaithful Posted November 21, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 So "Programming Languages" is «Ծրագրաւորման Լեզուներ» ? It doesn't sound right, because «ծրագիր» is more of a "plan", than "programming". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted November 21, 2006 Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 (edited) The word "program" and "programming" have different meanings in different places. I know that "program" means յայտագիր, however it doesn't seem to give the right meaning for "programming". Why do want to know? Did we invent "programming", just as we invented everything under the sun? If we had, by now the entire world would be using terms as "hamakarkchayin druyt/tsragrir" or some other silly. This is right up my alley. This is the kind of tree that will make bark, so to speak. This is the kind of issues that make my antennae stand on end. I have expressed this on many occasions before. Why are we trying to invent and compose new compound words for new thingamajigs when we hardly use our classic language, like when we use “system” when we already have an Armenian word “druyt” (OK, alrighet “drutyun” if you will. Oh! How I hate that all vulgarizing “utyun“ stuff)? To illustrate; “պրոպլեմ չիկա”. I searched the Homanishner to see if we have other words for “program/պրոգրամ” there was not any, yet I saw “պրոբլեմ” with synonyms like “խնդիր, առեղծուած”. Then why are we saying “problem che” instead of “khndir che”? Another synonym to tsargir is haytagir. None of them do justice to the issue on hand.. Tsragir, as we know mainly means “plan” and “haytagir “ is commonly used to mean program, usually as in program of an event. In either case, none of the above will satisfy the need for a word to replace “programming” as inferred here. We know that tsragir is a compound word made of “tsir=edge=boundary” and “gir=writing” which, to me sounds more like a side bar, i.e. writing at the margins. Maybe tsragir may somehow mean “plan” after all. Coming to haytagir/ՅԱՅՏԱԳԻՐ, Hee please nor Ho basically means յայտնիլto reveal as in Haytnutyun Hovhanu/Revelation. Can I repeat my barking up the tree for the umpteenth time? Why are we trying to compose words for new phenomena, gadgets and widgets** when we hardly use less than half of our native words? I have been accused of being a purist. I confess. But there is a limit even to my purism. My purism mainly concerns about our knowing and using our “classical language”. When it comes to creating newfangled words for new gadgets, my purism become puree. Is there a law? There ought to be!! ** Speaking of which. Off topic? How many here know that the Armenian word for “wedge” is “bever/բեւեր”. Survey a “beveragir/cuneiform ” of your choice, be it Urartuan or otherwise and see if they are not wedges. Edited November 21, 2006 by Arpa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rostom Posted November 22, 2006 Report Share Posted November 22, 2006 So "Programming Languages" is «Ծրագրաւորման Լեզուներ» ? It doesn't sound right, because «ծրագիր» is more of a "plan", than "programming". According to the Concise English-Armenian Dictionary of Computing and Mathematics Terms that is exactly correct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted November 22, 2006 Report Share Posted November 22, 2006 The barskahye version: "program anelu lezu" and "program anelu lezuner" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted November 22, 2006 Report Share Posted November 22, 2006 So "Programming Languages" is «Ծրագրաւորման Լեզուներ» ? It doesn't sound right, because «ծրագիր» is more of a "plan", than "programming". vochinch... mi erku angam kases, lezud kbatsvi... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted November 25, 2006 Report Share Posted November 25, 2006 the word program, as it refers to computer software, has no original base, meaning, it would be equally acceptable if it was called computer plan instead of computer program... so... why then when we use a word to refer to computer software, it has to be the literal translation of the word from english? true, the word ծրագիր may not be the exact, literal translation of the word program, but is it not a suitable word (i would ask, is it not the best word) in armenian to be used to refer to computer software? i think it is... btw, in modern EA, the words ծրագիր and հայտագիր are synonymous... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted November 25, 2006 Report Share Posted November 25, 2006 (edited) A "program" is a "plan of action". When you go to a play or concert, they give you the "program". I believe ծրագիր means the same (as Arpa said) so I think it's fine to use them to refer to each other in Armenian even though the literal translation may not be the same. I suspect the same term could also be applied to the entire field of "mathematical programming" which isn't directly releated to computer programming. But I am not sure. I would be interested to know if the same term is still used with the mathematicians in Armenia or not. Edited November 25, 2006 by Sip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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