moogey Posted August 18, 2006 Report Share Posted August 18, 2006 Hello, Is there anyone out there who can throw some light my way? I have heard all the meanings of my maiden name, Chahbaz - King Falcon/hawk in Persian, etc. Someone who was taught in a school in Armenia, said that there was a province in pre-Christian times called Chahbaz, on the border between Persia and Armenia. I have several theories about the name, some more appealing than others, but this one intrigues me. Moogey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted August 18, 2006 Report Share Posted August 18, 2006 (edited) Hello, Is there anyone out there who can throw some light my way? I have heard all the meanings of my maiden name, Chahbaz - King Falcon/hawk in Persian, etc. Someone who was taught in a school in Armenia, said that there was a province in pre-Christian times called Chahbaz, on the border between Persia and Armenia. I have several theories about the name, some more appealing than others, but this one intrigues me. Moogey Welcome Moogey. I coud only wish that many of us would search and understand what their surnames meant. Some may be very ugly. I don’t know about a region called “Chahbaz”, actually “Shah-baz”. And I don’t know much Persian either, however I remember from what Turkish I know the “baz” ending means “playful” as in “oyun-baz”. According to my Pers-Eng dictionary “baz” means “buffoon” , so a “shah-baz” would be an entertainer of a shah/king , i.e court jester. Also the dictionary gives examples like baz-yakoush=playful, baz-yagan=buffoun, baz-yakan=player/gambler. We can safely assume that “baz” means play/playful just like the Turkish word above. Edit. I searched further. Sure enough te Persian word for play/game is "baza", they go even further to define "baza" as gambling, beside that other word "gumar/qumar/khumar". Edited August 18, 2006 by Arpa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted August 18, 2006 Report Share Posted August 18, 2006 "shahbazian" is a common last name... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 (edited) So your surname MAY mean court jester, entertainer. Even if not Armenian it may still be amusing and entertaining, but pejorative and insult Turkish surnames like Cholakian/cerebral palsied and Chirkin-an/UGLY. Your surname, even if non-Armenian , meaningjester/entertainer may still be somewhat amusing ,urnames like Topal/Lame/Kak-oghlu-ian-ian, like this buffoon who masquerade as the chairman of ANCA, an intrepid turk-fighter who goes by a most Turkish surname? There ought to be a law!! Why don’t we all go back to Istanbul and rediscover our manificent Turkish heritage and foret all thise nonsense of Hayastan and Armenia. We ca, once again regale our Ottoman heritage with surnames like Cholakian, Topalian and Chirkinian., Stanbolian, Konyalian… KAK-Turk-ian. Whatever happened to Mamikonian, Yerevanian, Masisian and Sevanian?? http://www.arf.am/English/ARFNews/1998/199805c.htm "Armenian Americans welcome France's courageous stand for human rights," said ANCA Chairman Mourad Topalian. "The French Parliament, in standing up to Turkey's shameful pressure tactics, took a major step forward in the struggle to prevent the use of genocide as a weapon against any people at any time. This decision will clearly further isolate the Turkish government in its campaign to cover-up the Armenian Genocide." My surname is TURK-BOKHJU-OGHLU-IAN and will knock out the FRONT teeth of whoever chalenges my armenianness!!! Yeah right! With a name like that I could easily be the Sultan Hamid of Istanbul. Edited August 19, 2006 by Arpa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 Whatever happened to Mamikonian, Yerevanian, Masisian and Sevanian?? Nairian.. Or is that not Armenian? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 honestly, we had a girl in our class back in Armenia and her last name was SHANPORIKIAN and I dont know if Arpa remembers, 1st secretary of tsaxkatdzor region his last name was DZVAKERIAN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 (edited) Nairian.. Or is that not Armenian? Of course! How can we forget that! Ou Nairian aghchikneri hezajkoun par enq siroum! :) Edited August 19, 2006 by Arpa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kakachik77 Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 ok, perhaps i can be of help, my grandpa is parska-hye and according to him it is Shah Abbas, this is the Shah that forcefully moved the Armenians to Persia and built New Julfa or something like that for them, very important figure for the Armenians. Also according to him, his ancestors came from Syunik marz of Armenia, as probably most other Parska-hye Armenians who trace their history back to the Shah Abbas move. here is a link about Shah Abbas http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abbas_I_of_Safavid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moogey Posted August 19, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 Welcome Moogey. I coud only wish that many of us would search and understand what their surnames meant. Some may be very ugly. I don’t know about a region called “Chahbaz”, actually “Shah-baz”. And I don’t know much Persian either, however I remember from what Turkish I know the “baz” ending means “playful” as in “oyun-baz”. According to my Pers-Eng dictionary “baz” means “buffoon” , so a “shah-baz” would be an entertainer of a shah/king , i.e court jester. Also the dictionary gives examples like baz-yakoush=playful, baz-yagan=buffoun, baz-yakan=player/gambler. We can safely assume that “baz” means play/playful just like the Turkish word above. Edit. I searched further. Sure enough te Persian word for play/game is "baza", they go even further to define "baza" as gambling, beside that other word "gumar/qumar/khumar". thanks a lot - this is very interesting and informative. It's not only names that are difficult to explore - what about the personal history of our forebears? It gets more and more complicated. In the end, it will be a question of guesswork. I think I would rather be the King Falcon/Hawk than the court jester. Moogey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moogey Posted August 19, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 Of course! How can we forget that! Ou Nairian aghchikneri hezajkoun par enq siroum! :) thank you Kakachik, This is what started me off in the first place - a friend said, is your name linked with Shah Abbas of Persia. One of my theories is that, as all those Armenians were displaced and made to live in New Julfa, Persia, a few of them adopted the name of the King. In Egypt, a lot of new born boys were named after the king Farouk, as a form of tribute. Yet another theory is that one of my ancestors was keeper of the king's falcons. Another theory I like is the one that links me with King Abbas Bagratuni of Armenia. (928-951) Moogey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARARAT KID Posted February 22, 2007 Report Share Posted February 22, 2007 Gabrielyan? anybody have any info on that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balaclava Posted December 29, 2007 Report Share Posted December 29, 2007 honestly, we had a girl in our class back in Armenia and her last name was SHANPORIKIAN and I dont know if Arpa remembers, 1st secretary of tsaxkatdzor region his last name was DZVAKERIAN Քեռի ջան, իսկ դու Ծիտիկյան ազգանուն լսե՞լ ես։ Մի քանի տարի առաջ ազգանունների հետ կապված մի շատ հետաքրքիր աշխատություն եմ կարդացել, որում նշվում էին փաստեր, թե ինչպես են Ռուսաստանից Նոր Նախիջեւան գաղտած հրեաները խնդրել Հայ Առաքելական Տնից քարզչություն ստանալ։ Հետագայում նրանց կնքել են քրիստոնիա եւ տվել "հայկական" ազգանուններ։ Միգուցե՞ այդ տարօրինակ ազգանուններով մադրի հենց այդ հալածված հրեաների սերունդներն են։ Եթե այդպես է, ապա նրանք պետք է որ հուշեր ունենան իրենց նախնիներից. դաժան հուշեր, որից մարդ ատելությամբ կարող է լցվել իրեն հալածած, թեեւ այդ հալածողների սերնդերի կողմից մոռացված մարդկանց։ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashot Posted December 29, 2007 Report Share Posted December 29, 2007 Isk ov kara asi Sanamian azganun@ vorteghitse tsaqum unetsel yev qani dar arach!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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