Arpa Posted May 20, 2006 Report Share Posted May 20, 2006 Please! Even if this post is rife with linguistics, allow me to post it under the general subject topic of Culture, as you will see, it goes beyond. BEMA Բեմա /Բեմ /Վէմ We will not go into details as to why Khoran /Altar sounds like the Quran/Koran. Khoran/Altar/Խորան Why is it that what we call “bem/bema” the Muslims call it “mehrab/mihrab”? See for yourselves how a house of religion/love and tolerance becomes a “stage‘ for hatred.. Does it have anything to do with the Arabic word “harb/war”? Probably, since that raised platform/dais has been used to disseminate hatred and call to war/Jihad. Has the Christian Armenian “bem” been any different? Read all the hatred dished out at the Bem of the Diocese against the Prelacy and visa versa. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mehrab "Mihrab (in Persian مهراب or محراب, in Arabic ألمحراب pl. محاريب) is a niche in the wall of a mosque that indicates the qibla, i.e. the direction of Kaaba that Muslims should face when praying. The wall is called the qibla wall. The mihrab gives the impression of a door or a passage to Mecca. They vary in size but are usually ornately decorated. Mihrabs first appeared in the reign of the Umayyad khalif al-Walid I (705–715).  Mihrab in Hagia Sophia, Istanbul  Mihrab at a mosque in Cairo The etymology of the term is believed to come from the Persian word مهراب Mihrab which was used in pre-Islamic Persia to designate the niches in the Mithraistic houses of worship. Mihr in Persian means Mithra and Mihrab means Mithraeum. Others suggest that the root might be from Arabic حرب, "to fight" or "lead to war". As a noun it might be derived from "war", حرب and حربة , "lance". محراب is defined as a battlefield, in the sense jihād an-nafs (i.e. the fight against your own soul). Some say that it is also a word from Ethiopian or Hebrew חרבה, hurbah (beer) with a vague connection to the purchase to buildings. Both the latter guesses have less historical bearing and are less convincing than the first explanation.The mihrab is considered by both Muslim and Western scholars as an element taken from churches, an element added to the mosque of architectural reasons. The mihrab was probably introduced in the 3rd century of Islam, in the 9th century CE. Mihrabs can be made of wood, but is normally made out of masonry, and signified with pillars. Mihrabs very often are very ornamented." When we use the word “bema” we usually refer to that elevated platform in the church, and when we use “bem” we generally refer to that “raised platform” in a theater to mean “stage”. Once again, that raised platform. Just as in the case of the Muslim Mehrab, a platform to disseminate hatred, Bema has also been used to preach intolerance. Sorry Hrachya(Ajarian)! When you indicate that “bema/vem/բեմis derived from the Greek “vema/bema” yet you fail to see that “vem/վէմ” (from the Sanskrit) “vima” to mean “boulder/large and elevated stone” may be one and the same. In any case, whether it it is “bem/bema/բեմor vima վէմit is still that elevated platform, be it the stage or a boulder/rock where people rise to preach their take on issues. London is best known for its Hyde Park where people and all sorts of misfits get up on a “soap box” and spew whatever nonsense. It may be time for us to hurl “vems”, boulders, rocks at all those who take the short cut to rise on a vem rather than the long arduous road to the real “bem/stage”. Is the bem/stage open? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yervant1 Posted May 20, 2006 Report Share Posted May 20, 2006 Please! Even if this post is rife with linguistics, allow me to post it under the general subject topic of Culture, as you will see, it goes beyond. BEMA Բեմա /Բեմ /Վէմ We will not go into details as to why Khoran /Altar sounds like the Quran/Koran. Khoran/Altar/Խորան Why is it that what we call “bem/bema” the Muslims call it “mehrab/mihrab”? See for yourselves how a house of religion/love and tolerance becomes a “stage‘ for hatred.. Does it have anything to do with the Arabic word “harb/war”? Probably, since that raised platform/dais has been used to disseminate hatred and call to war/Jihad. Has the Christian Armenian “bem” been any different? Read all the hatred dished out at the Bem of the Diocese against the Prelacy and visa versa. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mehrab "Mihrab (in Persian مهراب or محراب, in Arabic ألمحراب pl. محاريب) is a niche in the wall of a mosque that indicates the qibla, i.e. the direction of Kaaba that Muslims should face when praying. The wall is called the qibla wall. The mihrab gives the impression of a door or a passage to Mecca. They vary in size but are usually ornately decorated. Mihrabs first appeared in the reign of the Umayyad khalif al-Walid I (705–715).  Mihrab in Hagia Sophia, Istanbul  Mihrab at a mosque in Cairo The etymology of the term is believed to come from the Persian word مهراب Mihrab which was used in pre-Islamic Persia to designate the niches in the Mithraistic houses of worship. Mihr in Persian means Mithra and Mihrab means Mithraeum. Others suggest that the root might be from Arabic حرب, "to fight" or "lead to war". As a noun it might be derived from "war", حرب and حربة , "lance". محراب is defined as a battlefield, in the sense jihād an-nafs (i.e. the fight against your own soul). Some say that it is also a word from Ethiopian or Hebrew חרבה, hurbah (beer) with a vague connection to the purchase to buildings. Both the latter guesses have less historical bearing and are less convincing than the first explanation.The mihrab is considered by both Muslim and Western scholars as an element taken from churches, an element added to the mosque of architectural reasons. The mihrab was probably introduced in the 3rd century of Islam, in the 9th century CE. Mihrabs can be made of wood, but is normally made out of masonry, and signified with pillars. Mihrabs very often are very ornamented." When we use the word “bema” we usually refer to that elevated platform in the church, and when we use “bem” we generally refer to that “raised platform” in a theater to mean “stage”. Once again, that raised platform. Just as in the case of the Muslim Mehrab, a platform to disseminate hatred, Bema has also been used to preach intolerance. Sorry Hrachya(Ajarian)! When you indicate that “bema/vem/բեմis derived from the Greek “vema/bema” yet you fail to see that “vem/վէմ” (from the Sanskrit) “vima” to mean “boulder/large and elevated stone” may be one and the same. In any case, whether it it is “bem/bema/բեմor vima վէմit is still that elevated platform, be it the stage or a boulder/rock where people rise to preach their take on issues. London is best known for its Hyde Park where people and all sorts of misfits get up on a “soap box” and spew whatever nonsense. It may be time for us to hurl “vems”, boulders, rocks at all those who take the short cut to rise on a vem rather than the long arduous road to the real “bem/stage”. Is the bem/stage open? Thats it I'm building my own portable bem, carry with me where ever I go, this way I can say whatever I want and whenever I want. My portable bem is my guaranty for free speech. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zartonk Posted May 20, 2006 Report Share Posted May 20, 2006 (edited) As a noun it might be derived from "war", حرب and حربة , "lance". محراب is defined as a battlefield, in the sense jihād an-nafs (i.e. the fight against your own soul). Edited May 20, 2006 by Zartonk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAS Posted June 13, 2006 Report Share Posted June 13, 2006 "Mihrab (in Persian مهراب or محراب, in Arabic ألمحراب pl. محاريب) is a niche in the wall of a mosque that indicates the qibla, i.e. the direction of Kaaba that Muslims should face when praying. The wall is called the qibla wall. The mihrab gives the impression of a door or a passage to Mecca. They vary in size but are usually ornately decorated. Mihrabs first appeared in the reign of the Umayyad khalif al-Walid I (705–715). Պ.Սևակ, հատված «ԵՌԱՁԱՅՆ ՊԱՏԱՐԳ»-ից Մեր մեռելները մեր հաշվի մեջ են, մեր հաշվի մեջ են ... ու կաշվի մեջ են, քանզի մենք,իրո՛ք կապված ենք նրանց հիշատակներին, ինչպես մանուկը իր մորը՝ պորտով: Մենք նրա՛նց մեջ ենք ու մե՛ր մեջ՝ նրա՛նք, մեր բջիջների՛, մեր ոսկըրի՛ մեջ: Ու եթե նույնիսկ մենք հոգնենք մի օր, նրանք՝ ապրելով մեր մեջ ու սրանց, մեր հոդերի՛ մեջ, սրանց մատների՛, աստվածաշնչյան Այրի կնոջ պես՝ առա՛նց հոգնելու, մի՜շտ Դատավորի դուռը կբախեն՝ այնքա՛ն ժամանակ, մինչև չասեն.«Ե՛կ,դատեցյաց զայրին»... Ու երբ գոչում եմ. -Կոչեմ ապրողա՜ց, ինձ ձայն են տալիս նրա՛նք,որ երեկ խեղճ գաղթականի ցուպի փոխարեն իրենց ձեռքն առան անթաղ-անշիրիմ մի նահատակի ազդր կամ սրունք, և,Ահարոնի գավազանի պես, ոսկորն այդ ծաղկե՜ց՝ անարգ թշնամուն ապացուցելով, որ թեպետ մեջեթն ավերակված է, բայց Ալ Մեհրաբը դեռ մնացել է, դեռ մնացել է... Արարատի՜ շուրջ... ... ... ... -ՈՂԲԱՄ ՄԵՌԵԼՈ՜Ց... -ԲԵԿԱՆԵ՛Մ ՇԱՆԹԵ՜Ր... -ԿՈՉԵ՛Մ ԱՊՐՈՂԱ՜Ց... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted June 14, 2006 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2006 Բարեւ ՍԱՍ, Ցավոք սրտի մէնք չի կարողացանք Կումրի գնալ: Մեր Կումրեցի բարեկամները մեր մոտ եկան: Ավետիկի տուն թանգարանը չի այցելեցինք բայց ես նրան տեսա Թումանյանի թանգարանում: Արդեոք Գուրգենը իր Մահարի մականուն/ գրչանունը փոխարինել է Աբու Լալայից? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAS Posted June 15, 2006 Report Share Posted June 15, 2006 Բարև, Արփա Շատ ուրախ եմ, որ հայրենիք ես այցելել:Եթե ժամանակ ու ցանկություն ունենաս գրիր տպավորություններիդ մասին: Շատ հավանական է, քանի որ՝ ա) Գուրգեն Աճեմյանը մի հիմնավոր կրթություն չի ստացել և դժվար թե ծանոթ լիներ արաբ բանաստեղծի ստեղծագործություններին. բ) Մահարի անունը հայոց մեջ հայտնի դարձավ Իսահակյանի շնորհիվ: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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