Armenian Bible Church

[Djrak]

Does anyone know anything about this: armenian bible church

 

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[Arpa]

Does anyone know anything about this: armenian bible church

 

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I don't know anything about them, except that they may be what is known in Arnenian cirles as Եղբայրութիւն, "brotherhood". They are an ultra-evangelical/literalist branch of the Protestant denomination, best described as Armenian fundamentalists, similar to those idiots like of Pat Robertson.

I have seen (I will not say "met") Vahram Tatigian in person when I was very young, on an extremely cold, snowy and frosty Christmas eve, when the carolers stopped at our house and Vahram, freshly arrived from Istanbul was accompanying the carolers with his viloin with his frozen fingers.

 

Biography of Vahram Tatikyan

Vahram's devoted service to God and man, first in Istanbul, then in Anatolia and finally in different countries around the world reads like a spiritual epic. How was it that this man, who knew neither school nor university, was yet able to speak to hundreds of thousands of people, change the direction of their hearts' affections and be used as an effective instrument in bringing countless people to find peace with God? more...

 

Nothing more ridiculous than those who may have discovered Jesus some 1699 years too late.

Jesus is everywhere!

All one has to do is look in one's heart.

Edited September 19, 2005 by Arpa

[Takoush]

Does anyone know anything about this: armenian bible church

 

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Yeah, around this area in N.J. I went to their 'Joghovaran' a few times, then when I ceased to go I was their number one enemy. I think anyone that dedicates himself to the Christ shouldn't be a hyppocrit. Jesus didn't say, keep a grudge, because someone didn't continue to come to your Church. If you're a true believer then you certainly shouldn't try to hurt people for it. That's a lot of bogus. Frankly, I sing in my Apostolic church and give solos too when I get a chance to go, but most of all I pray every day in my house and in my heart. I try to live a fruitful and a decent life and certainly do not hurt people because of this or that stupid reason, then I'm Ok with both the Lord and God.

 

That's what I truly believe in.

 

Anahid

[Djrak]

Yeah, around this area in N.J. I went to their 'Joghovaran' a few times, then when I ceased to go I was their number one enemy.  I think anyone that dedicates himself to the Christ shouldn't be a hyppocrit.  Jesus didn't say, keep a grudge, because someone didn't continue to come to your Church.  If you're a true believer then you certainly shouldn't try to hurt people for it.  That's a lot of bogus.

 

 

  Frankly, I sing in my Apostolic church and give solos too when I get a chance to go, but most of all I pray every day in my house and in my heart.  I try to live a fruitful and a decent life and certainly do not hurt people because of this or that stupid reason, then I'm Ok with both the Lord and God.

 

That's what I truly believe in.

 

Anahid

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[Takoush]

Thank you Djrak.

[rostom]

I'm going on a little bit of a tangent here, but since the topic of Armenian Bible Church came up......

 

Why is it that non-Apostolic Armenian churches celebrate Jan. 5/6th (as Christmas)? I know that some (maybe all) Armenian Presbyterians churches and Evangelical Churches celebrate this occasion. Baffles me. Any thoughts?

 

I'm guessing this is because of the fact that Armenians, as a people, are so intertangled in religion that even when they break off from the norm (Apostolic), they still tend to keep certain aspects that are inherent to 'Armenians'.

[gamavor]

Why is it that non-Apostolic Armenian churches celebrate Jan. 5/6th (as Christmas)? I know that some (maybe all) Armenian Presbyterians churches and Evangelical Churches celebrate this occasion. Baffles me. Any thoughts?

 

I'm guessing this is because of the fact that Armenians, as a people, are so intertangled in religion that even when they break off from the norm (Apostolic), they still tend to keep certain aspects that are inherent to 'Armenians'.

 

 

Because Christmas is indeed on 5/6 of January! 25 of December is a pagan Roman festivity day.

[Arpa]

I'm going on a little bit of a tangent here, but since the topic of Armenian Bible Church came up......

 

Why is it that non-Apostolic Armenian churches celebrate Jan. 5/6th (as Christmas)? I know that some (maybe all) Armenian Presbyterians churches and Evangelical Churches celebrate this occasion. Baffles me. Any thoughts?

 

I'm guessing this is because of the fact that Armenians, as a people, are so intertangled in religion that even when they break off from the norm (Apostolic), they still tend to keep certain aspects that are inherent to 'Armenians'.

What you are saying, even if innocently and unintentionally is tantamount to saying that Non-Apostolic Armenians are in fact not Armenian.

[rostom]

What you are saying, even if innocently and unintentionally is tantamount to saying that Non-Apostolic Armenians are in fact not Armenian.

 

Hmmm....Arpa I'm not sure how you concluded that by what I wrote. The point that I was trying to make is that Jan 6th is a Christian Apostolic holiday/celebration and not an Armenian holiday. If you are an Armenian and not Apostolic, then how does it make sense to celebrate Jan 6th. Shouldn't Christmas be celebrated along with the rest of the Presbyterian, Evangelical, etc. (non-Apostolic) community on Dec. 25th, and Jan. 6th passed over without any significance placed on it?

 

And on a side note, I'm curious to know whether Catholic Armenians celebrate Jan. 6th or Dec. 25th?

[aSoldier]

I'm going on a little bit of a tangent here, but since the topic of Armenian Bible Church came up......

 

Why is it that non-Apostolic Armenian churches celebrate Jan. 5/6th (as Christmas)? I know that some (maybe all) Armenian Presbyterians churches and Evangelical Churches celebrate this occasion. Baffles me. Any thoughts?

 

I'm guessing this is because of the fact that Armenians, as a people, are so intertangled in religion that even when they break off from the norm (Apostolic), they still tend to keep certain aspects that are inherent to 'Armenians'.

 

Apostolic Armenians do celebrate Jan 6th as Christmas. So do all other Orthodox churches. My friend, who is Egyptian Orthodox, also celebrates Christmas on the 6th.

[kakachik77]

I just recently read this somewhere, the Protestant Armenian Church is actually a branch of the Apostolic Church, not sure how this works, I was surprised when I read it, but anything is expected from Armenians, LOL.

[Arpa]

Because Christmas is indeed on 5/6 of January! 25 of December is a pagan Roman festivity day.

You are referring to Saturnalia.

 

Only in “armenia”!!

 

Christmas is on Dec. 25, Jan. 5, Jan. 6, Jan 13, no , Jan 19. ??

Ask ten Armenian clergy about the subject and you get twenty different answers.

Of course, in case we may have forgotten, Armenians created the world and devised all the calendars, the reason why we use so many calendars, the Julian, The Gregorian, Haykakan Tomar, the Jewish, the Australian aboriginal and more.

No wonder 90% of the world does not even know we are Christians, the first one for that. No wonder we are the outcasts and orphan children of the Christian world. If two billion Catholics agree on one date, if over a billion Moslems all the way from Indiana to Indonesia can agree on one date.. What is our problem? Must we always be exiled isolationist outcasts? Who has given us even two cents for all that?

 

First off. Jesus was born neither on Dec. 25 nor on Jan. 6.…..

Says who ?

Says the Bible.

Look below.

“shepherds abiding in the field … by night”?

Of course Palestine may be a little warmer than Wisconsin or Alaska , yet even there shepherds don’t abide in the fields, sleep under the stars in the dead of winter. If we were to believe the Bible then it points that Jesus was born during warmer times,. Spring? Summer?

And as to why and when Armenian celebrate Christmas/Tsnound, perhaps some of us are better readers as I could not make heads or tails of the article that follows.

It ought to be easier to be an Armenian!!!

Just enjoy life as it is meant and leave the nitty gritty of calendars to the monks to keep them busy until the “Second Coming”.

MERRY CHRISTMAS

ՇՈՐՀԱՒՈՐ ՍՈՒՐԲ ԾՆՈՒՆԴ

ՔՐԻՍՏՈՍ ԾՆԱՎ ԵՒ ՀԱՅՏՆԵՑԱՎ

ՀԱՅՏՆԵՑԱՎ ԵՒ ՄԿՐՏՈՒԵՑԱՎ

ՁԵԶԻ ՄԵԶԻ ՄԵԾ ԱՎԵՏԻՍ

 

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Luke 2.

 

8] And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night.

[9] And, lo, the angel of the Lord came upon them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them: and they were sore afraid.

[10] And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.

[11] For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.

[12] And this shall be a sign unto you; Ye shall find the babe wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger.

[13] And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying,

[14] Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward m

 

 

 

 

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Can someone interpret the gobble-di-gook below?

 

MERRY CHRISTMAS! NO, REALLY…

January 17, 2003

By: Nicole Schiavi

JERUSALEM – Wait! Don't stow away all your Christmas decorations yet - the holiday is still to be celebrated this weekend in one tiny crevice of the world.

Israel's Christian community, albeit a diminutive 3 percent of the population, is a microcosm of the world's gentile religions, displaying an array of festivals and holidays celebrated in a compact country. Christmas is one major – and slightly confusing – example.

While the majority of the western world celebrated Christmas on December 25, and then Orthodox religions celebrated on January 7, one Christmas has yet to be observed: the Armenian Christmas.

Now, lest we think we have a handle on the situation, let's add some confusion to the mix: It is only the 2,500 Armenians in Israel who use an old calendar and celebrate Christmas almost a month later than the majority of the world - on January 19. Armenians in Armenia use the new calendar and celebrate on January 7.

But even within Israel's Armenian community, not all consider the same day the main celebration. Armenian Catholics observe December 25; others, who hail from an Orthodox background or are not 100 percent Armenian observe January 7; and traditionalists observe January 19, perhaps the most popular day for the majority of Armenians.

Puzzled? Don't feel alone. Even some Armenians in Jerusalem are also unaware that their Armenian brethren celebrate Christmas on January 7. Armenians in countries such as the United States usually celebrate on December 25, but have a second celebration on January 7 that is more in step with to the traditional Armenian Christmas.

But really, since the tight knit Armenian population in Israel, wedged between Jews and Arabs, seeks solace amongst each other, the holidays spill over and most Armenians end up celebrating a little of each day.

"The three of them are Christmas for me," said Aida Aintablian, a Jerusalem resident who is partly Armenian and Greek. "And also two New Years." (The Armenian New Year is January 13.)

Aida said her family's main celebration day is Christmas Eve, January 18.

History explains this little conundrum. According to the St. Andrew Information Network web site and a slew of other information sources, present day January 19 used to be January 7 according to the old Julian calendar. Armenians in the Holy Land still use the Julian calendar to set the date of their Christmas. In Armenia they use the Western calendar.

Up until the fourth century all Christian churches celebrated Christ's birth on January 7. Then the Roman church hierarchy designated December 25 as the official date of Christmas. Pope Julius I chose this date because it coincided with the pagan rituals of Winter Solstice, or Return of the Sun.

The intent was to replace the pagan celebration with the Christian one. But in 1752, a number of days were dropped from the year when the switch was from the Julian calendar to the Gregorian calendar. December 25 date was moved backwards, forcing a decision: Some Christian church sects maintained Christmas on January 7, previously December 25 of the Julian calendar; others opted for the new December 25.

While the new Christmas date was selected to undermine pagan observances, Armenia had no pagan rituals on that day. And since it was not under the Roman Catholic Church, the nation kept the original and traditional date and continued Christmas celebrations on January 7. The Armenians in Israel, however, continued to observe the original date.

None of the dates, however, have been definitively proven to be Jesus' actual birth, and according to some Bible scholars, any winter date is likely to be incorrect.

Armenians have had a strong presence in the Holy Land since 254 AD. Traditionally on Christmas Eve, the Armenian Patriarch together with the clergy and followers, travel from Jerusalem to Bethlehem, to the



Church of Nativity of Christ, for elaborate ceremonies. A procession led by Armenian scouts marches the Patriarch into the Church of Nativity. Afterwards, church services and ceremonies are conducted in the Cathedral of Nativity through the night.

So, armed with this new information, have a Merry Christmas this weekend.