armjan Posted September 1, 2005 Report Share Posted September 1, 2005 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4199618.stm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantom22 Posted September 1, 2005 Report Share Posted September 1, 2005 Iraq continues to be a place of madness. It is best if all concerned give up on maintaining the Iraqi state, which was artificially created by the British. Yugoslavia only held together by the brute force of Tito. Iraq can also only be held together by a brute force like that of Saddam Hussein. The Turks will just have to deal with their nightmare of an Kurdish free-state. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armjan Posted September 1, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2005 (edited) Iraq continues to be a place of madness. It is best if all concerned give up on maintaining the Iraqi state, which was artificially created by the British. Yugoslavia only held together by the brute force of Tito. Iraq can also only be held together by a brute force like that of Saddam Hussein. The Turks will just have to deal with their nightmare of an Kurdish free-state. style_images/master/snapback.png if it was a land with no resoures, stakeholders(us, brits & others) would probably not give a damn, they can go live in 3rd century if they wish. but it is a struggle for scarce resources, and iran/other neighbors have a vested interest in having control over iraq. If iraq is to give in to insurgency, as it appears its going to, then this will have some major effects on stability in region and world oil market. nevertheless, todays events was very tragic. Its so sad to see sunnis disturbing such a religious pilgramage of the shiates. Even I as a trying to be christian feel sorry for the inhuman murder that happened today. Edited September 1, 2005 by armjan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantom22 Posted September 1, 2005 Report Share Posted September 1, 2005 (edited) From the times of British control and under Saddam Hussein the Sunnis, a relatively small minority, were in control. They do not want to lose their primary role. They do not understand nor care about majority rule. The Shiite factions are fighting among themselves on religious and leadership grounds. Since when is not religion the cause for so much bloodshed? Sadly, 1000 women and children were trampled to death. I do not see the Sunnis ever agreeing to anything other than being back in control. Edited September 1, 2005 by phantom22 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armjan Posted September 1, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2005 From the times of British control and under Saddam Hussein the Sunnis, a relatively small minority, were in control. They do not want to lose their primary role. They do not understand nor care about majority rule. The Shiite factions are fighting among themselves on religious and leadership grounds. Since when is not religion the cause for so much bloodshed? Sadly, 1000 women and children were trampled to death. I do not see the Sunnis ever agreeing to anything other than being back in control. style_images/master/snapback.png Yes. I am in complete agreement with your assessment. Were you intially from that region? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted September 1, 2005 Report Share Posted September 1, 2005 It's about time all these religious people join their creator and leave the earth to the rest of us "damned". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantom22 Posted September 1, 2005 Report Share Posted September 1, 2005 (edited) Armjan, I am not 100% Armenian. Part of my heritage comes from the area of northern Iraq. About 300 years ago, some of my ancestors had the good sense to move north and marry Armenians. Edited September 1, 2005 by phantom22 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted September 2, 2005 Report Share Posted September 2, 2005 I'm sure that someone will group these numbers with the number of Iraqis killed by Americans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armjan Posted September 2, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 2, 2005 (edited) I'm sure that someone will group these numbers with the number of Iraqis killed by Americans. style_images/master/snapback.png let's be clear, exactly who's doing the killing? another big difference is the "rules of engagement". One side has one, while the other bastardizes it. Edited September 2, 2005 by armjan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skhara Posted September 2, 2005 Report Share Posted September 2, 2005 let's be clear, exactly who's doing the killing? another big difference is the "rules of engagement". One side has one, while the other bastardizes it. style_images/master/snapback.png They don't bastardize it. They just don't have any. And since they are not a ligitimate force, why should they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armjan Posted September 2, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 2, 2005 They don't bastardize it. They just don't have any. And since they are not a ligitimate force, why should they? style_images/master/snapback.png what is a ligitimate force? We should be talking about threats, ligitimicy or lack of doesn't kill people, threats when materialize kill ppl. all it takes to pose a threat is to carry a weapon and do something with it. Flags, tanks, planes, etc is simply an aggregation of smaller units. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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