Jihadists And Anarchists

[Arpa]

Jihadists and anarchists.

 

Interesting article in the Economist.

 

Below a segment. Look who made the “honor roll”. I was looking to see if they would mention the Ottoman Bank incident.

 

http://www.economist.com/printedition/disp...tory_ID=4292760

 

"But in truth the wave did not entirely pass; it merely changed. The anarchist terrorists of 1880-1910 were replaced by other terrorists—Fenians, Serb nationalists (one killed the Archduke Franz Ferdinand and thus sparked the first world war), Bolsheviks, Dashnaks (revolutionary Armenians), Poles, Macedonians, Hindu nationalists (among them the killers of Mahatma Gandhi), fascists, Zionists, Maoists, Guevarists, Black Panthers, Red Brigades, Red Army Fractions, Palestinians and even al-Qaeda's jihadists. Few of these shared the anarchists' explicit aims; all borrowed at least some of their tactics and ideas."

[skhara]

Where is the mention of the Itihadists?

[Nakharar]

You wish. The Ittihadits got away because they weren't your uncouth renegades. On the contrary what makes them stand out from these groups was that they acted as civilized gentlemen using a liberal and seemingly humanitarian discourse from the outset. Maybe that's why they were so succesful in deceiving everybody not at least us Armenians.

[phantom22]

Nakharar,

 

That is the same game the Turkish officials use today. When they go to Washington, they act as if they are the tolerant liberals and the Armenians are the intolerant conservatives. They look into the faces of US officials AS IF they are the ones being wronged.

 

As for being fooled, my great-grandfather and his sons were cordially sharing a meal with the same Turkish officials who ordered their brutal execution just hours later.

[Vayri7X]

haha- wow, i made the honor roll twice .. i am armenian AND an anarchist ( of the anarcho-syndicalist type) '=)

 

 

I feel so honored

 

\\ the song " meen irhabi" is playing in the background ;-)

[Armen]

i am armenian AND an anarchist

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All Armenians are anarchists. Whatever "colors" we choose to make money, in our heart we all remain passionate anarchists because our brain is a boiling pot of unrealized ideas.

[Takoush]

All Armenians are anarchists. Whatever "colors" we choose to make money, in our heart we all remain passionate anarchists because our brain is a boiling pot of unrealized ideas.

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Aրմէն։

 

Ըսել կուզես ուղեղդ եռում է շատ մե շինիչ եւ նուիրական գաղաբարներո՞վ։

 

Հասկանալի է.

 

Անահիտ

 

 

 

EDIT -reduced the armenian font so it's easier to read

Edited September 14, 2005 by vava

[Atabekian]

Hello,

I'm an Armenian Anarchist as well (In Athens, GA). Pleased to meet you!

 

~Atabekian

[Arpa]

Hello,

I'm an Armenian Anarchist as well (In Athens, GA). Pleased to meet you!

 

       ~Atabekian

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First off, Welcome.

 

I wish you would deturkiify your surname to something like “Ishkhan-ian”

 

Wow!

 

We have two avowed anarchists already.

How many more?

How about all of us.

Caution, the rest will be barakhagh, play on words.

Armenians have been “anarchist jihadists” throughout their entire history.

 

Playing on the actual literal meaning of those two words , i.e. “jihad” to struggle/պայքար (not the new fangled use of it as “holy war”), and anarchist, i.e. ana=without and arch=king as in արքա then we would qualify the most anarchic jihadists, անարքա պայքարող of all time.

 

In the course of our 5000 years history how many kings have we had?

If we say 100 then it interprets to one every 50 years, that is if it were continuous. We have had kings that only ruled a couple of years. That assumes that for the most part we have had no king, and what is even more telling is that when we had kings we were still anarchical, even if we were struggling all along.

 

Is it any different now?

 

Who is our absolute king?

 

If you Kocharian you may be pelted with tomatoes and rotten apricots.

 

Can we tolerate a king and rally around one??

Edited September 14, 2005 by Arpa

[Atabekian]

Hello Arpa,

Actually, my real family surname is Kevorkian. I use Atabekian to pay tribute to Armenian Anarchist Alexandre Atabekian (1868-1940?).

 

First off, Welcome.

 

I wish you would deturkiify your surname to something like “Ishkhan-ian”

 

Wow!

 

We have two avowed anarchists already.

How many more?

How about all of us.

Caution, the rest will be barakhagh, play on words.

Armenians have been “anarchist jihadists” throughout their entire history.

 

Playing on the actual literal meaning of those two words , i.e. “jihad” to struggle/պայքար (not the new fangled use of it as “holy war”), and anarchist, i.e. ana=without and arch=king as in արքա then we would qualify the most anarchic jihadists, անարքա պայքարող of all time.

 

In the course of our 5000 years history how many kings have we had?

If we say 100 then it interprets to one every 50 years, that is if it were continuous. We have had kings that only ruled a couple of years. That assumes that for the most part we have had no king, and what is even more telling is that when we had kings we were still anarchical, even if we were struggling all along.

 

Is it any different now?

 

Who is our absolute king?

 

If you Kocharian you may be pelted with tomatoes and rotten apricots.

 

Can we tolerate a king and rally around one??

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[Arpa]

Hello Arpa,

Actually, my real family surname is Kevorkian. I use Atabekian to pay tribute to Armenian Anarchist Alexandre Atabekian (1868-1940?).

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Welcome again.

You seem to have valuable information about the subject. Let us hear it.

I know nothing about it, and I am anxious and willing to learn.

 

I am little confused though, as you can see below there seems to be a little cross over. One wonders if Alexander and Levon Atabekian-s are somehow confused. The Armenian Encyclopaedia does not speak about Alexabder. We find Levon Nikolayi Atabekian, medical doctor, poet and public commentator, born in what is now the region of Martakert, 1875-1918. There is no mention of any anarchistic activity, except that in 1907 he had differed with the Dashnaktsutyun and distanced himself.

 

Then there is a Levon A. in the end notes of Hovannisian’s Armenia on the Road to Independence where we read; “In the following weeks several members were replaced…… and Levon A. in place of Stamboltsian.”

 

Are they one and the same even if as seen below Alexander was born in “Shusha” (the Turkish/Azeri designation of Shushi) (Edit; I just noticed that below, not only it is said that he was born in Shusha, but that Shusha is in Russia. Definitely, someone has their wires crossed)in 1868 and died 1940?

 

Please let us know.

Even more so its implications and practicability to the present.

 

Once again. My hope is that some day we will rid ourselves of all Turko-Ottoman influence and shed all those ugly and disgusting Turkish surnames, unless, of course we are hoping that some day we will once again be united with our Ottoman “brothers/butchers” and that Armenia will once again be a province thereof. If that is our hope, then, by all means let us maintain our Turkish surnames so the integration will be as smooth as can be. We have declared our political independence it is now time we declare our cultural independence too.

 

I THINK NOT!!!

 

As I have shown my trepidation on many occasions that before; Wait till the Turks get to the point where they realize that WE have more Turkish surnames than the very Turks themselves.

I am forever grateful that in that item about Patriarch Mutafoghlu’s Turkish connection the writers did not realize that the very surname, “mutaf” of the Patriarch is a Turkish (actually Arabic, judging from the idiomatic form) word that means “maker of goat hair goods”.

 

 

http://www.iisg.nl/archives/en/files/a/10739101.php

 

Alexander Atabekian Papers

Period 1890-1894

Total size 0.1 m.

Consultation Not restricted

 

Biography or History

Born in Shusha, Transcaucasia, Russia 1868 of Armenian descent, died in Russia 1940 (?); studied medicine in Geneva and Lyon; became an anarchist in 1890 through Kropotkin's publications; in Geneva he published Armenian and Russian translations of Kropotkin and other anarchist authors; edited in 1894 the only Armenian anarchist periodical Hamaink (5 nos.); worked between 1896 and 1917 as a doctor in Northern Persia; after the February Revolution again active in the anarchist movement; edited the anarchist magazine Pocin, representing the anarcho-cooperative trend in the libertarian movement 1919-1923; one of the veteran anarchists who founded the Kropotkin Museum in Moscow; arrested in the 1930s and presumably died in a labour camp in 1940.

 

Content

Letters from Peter Kropotkin 1891-1893, Max Nettlau 1892-1894, Paras̆kev Stojanov 1890-1894 and others.

NB. Originally part of the Nettlau collection.

 

 

http://stiobhard.tripod.com/east/armenia.html

 

ARMENIA

Alphonse Jhéön, a promient Armenian anarchist is imprisoned by the Ottoman emperor for seducing members of the royal harem and hanged by czarist agents after the defeat of the Turks in Bulgaria in 1878. [A monument to Alphonse Jhéön, financed by a consortium of nationalist-anarchist societies, stands today in the central square of Yerevan.]

John Kinross asserts in his book, The Ottoman Centuries, that in the 1880s, Armenian secret societies and nationalist groups made contacts with and gained "an impetus from their fellow Armenians in Russia, mainly in the Caucasus,who...[held] concepts of revolution, at once socialist and anarchist..."

Armenia's best known anarchist is Alexandre Atabekian, born in the Caucasus. He is in Geneva in 1891, often in the company of Kropotkin. Atabekian becomes involved with a group of Russian students in Geneva publishing the "Anarchist Library" a series of works in Russian. Atabekian is also acquainted with Elisee Reclus, Jean Grave and Paraskev-Stoyanoff. He makes contact with anarchists of Russia, France, Italy and Bulgaria. He was with Kropotkin as he died in 1921 and Atabekian was among the organizers of the anarchist funeral procession in Moscow. In 1929, he disappeared in an action by the Bolshevik government against the anarchists.

In 1891, a number of anarchist pamphlets were published in Paris in the armenian language, including:

L'Idee est une Force

A l'Occasion de l'election du Catholicos

Aux Paysans Armeniens

Lettre aux Revolutionnnaires Armeniens

Between 1880 and 1894, an anarchist Journal, Hamaink(Commonwealth) was published by Atabekian, first in Resht, Persia and later in Paris and London. Five issues appeared, in which he gave an anarchist analysis of Armenian and Ottoman subjects as well as the international revolutionary movement. Hamayank describes the exploitation of the Armenian proletariat, calling for the communalisation of land and self-determination. The magazine opposed European intervention, centralisation of the Armenian revolutionary movement and stated that all government was tyranny.

In 1896, a pamphlet appeared with title Aux Socialistes Revolutionaires et Libertaires by the "Quelques Libertaires Armeniens".

This was translated into German and appeared in the 26 September 1896 issue of

Gustav Landauer's Der Sozialist in Germany.

In the Summer of 1890, in Tbilisi, (Georgia) a coalition of nationalists and socialists came together called the Revolutionary Armenian Federation or simply "Dashnaktsouthian" (the Federation). Its members included Konstantin Hatisian, Christopher Mikealian, Stepan Zartan, Simon Zavarian, Ruben Hanazad, Abraham Dastakian, H. Loris Malkian and Levon Sarkisian. There were a number of competing factions, but one of these produced a manifesto in 1892 which approximated the position of the Russian Nihilists, calling for arms and the propagation of the people. This faction took part in a wave of attentats at the time when such actions occurred also in the anarchist movements of France, Italy and Spain and the United States.

The Dashnaks split with the more Marxist Hunchaks ca. 1890, declaring "'The Armenian is no longer imploring. He now demands, with gun in hand.' No longer prepared to await help from the powers, which was not to materialize, he took [his] destiny...into his own hands."

The Armenian revolutionaries launched a plot to stir up a Moslem revolt by posting "seditious placards" on the walls of the towns throughout Central and Western Anatolia, calling upon all Moslems to rise against the Sultan's oppressive rule.

The Revolutionary Armenian Federation published a series of translated pamphlets of the best anarchist writers of the day:

Peter Kropotkin--

Les Minorites Revolutionnaires 1894

L'Anarchie 1893

L'Esprit de Revolte 1892-3

La Desorganisation des Etats 1892

Droits Politiques 1892

Aux Jeunes Gens (as Eritasardnerin) 1898

Elisee Reclus-- A Mon Frere le Paysans

Errico Malatesta-- Fra Contadini

Jean Grave-- Pouquoi nous sommes Revolutionnaires 1894

These may well have been translated by Alexandre Atabekian.

The Federation Also Published at least one pamphlet by Friedrich Engels.

Christapor Mikaelian, one of the founders of the Armenian Revolutionary Federation, was (at least at some point) greatly influenced by Bakunin and remained committed to direct action and decentralisation all his life.

In 1907, Paul Singer publishes, in Stuttgart, a report presented to the International Socialist Congress by the Socialist Party and the Revolutionary Armenian Federation. This french pamphlet testifies to the existence a number of active Armenian libertarians in 1896. Announces the "dawn of the Social Revolution" in the East.

The November 1907 issue of Emma Goldman's Mother Earth reports that "Anarchist agitation in the United States is being carried on in almost all the various languages spoken in this country, including Japanese, Armenian, etc."

In 1910, Hosankner by Mik'ayel Varandean (1874-1934) was published in Zhenev by Hratarkaktut'iwn HHD. The book was on the topic of socialism, labor and anarchism.

Edited September 14, 2005 by Arpa

[Atabekian]

Hello Arpa,

Unfortunately, there is not much information available on Alexandre Atabekian other than what is published on the websites you pasted from, and archives that are not accessable on the internet. I first read about him in an essay entitled "non-western anarchisms," which is very informative and available in full-text on the Anarchist People of Color website [www.illegalvoices.org]. I've never heard of Levon Atabekian, but it's perfectly possible that the two have been confused by historians.

 

I'm not sure why his last name is of Turkish influence, but I know that Alexandre Atabekian was definitely Armenian

 

 

Welcome again.

You seem to have valuable information about the subject. Let us hear it.

I know nothing about it, and I am anxious and willing to learn.

 

I am little confused though, as you can see below there seems to be a little cross over. One wonders if Alexander and Levon Atabekian-s are somehow confused. The Armenian Encyclopaedia does not speak about Alexabder. We find Levon Nikolayi Atabekian, medical doctor, poet and public commentator, born in what is now the region of Martakert, 1875-1918. There is no mention of any anarchistic activity, except that in 1907 he had differed with the Dashnaktsutyun and distanced himself.

 

Then there is a Levon A. in the end notes of Hovannisian’s Armenia on the Road to Independence where we read; “In the following weeks several members were replaced…… and Levon A. in place of Stamboltsian.”

 

Are they one and the same even if as seen below Alexander was born in “Shusha” (the Turkish/Azeri designation of Shushi) in 1868 and died 1940?

 

Please let us know.

Even more so its implications and practicability to the present.

 

Once again. My hope is that some day we will rid ourselves of all Turko-Ottoman influence and shed all those ugly and disgusting Turkish surnames, unless, of course we are hoping that some day we will once again be united with our Ottoman “brothers/butchers” and that Armenia will once again be a province thereof. If that is our hope, then, by all means let us maintain our Turkish surnames so the integration will be as smooth as can be. We have declared our political independence it is now time we declare our cultural independence too.

 

I THINK NOT!!!

 

As I have shown my trepidation on many occasions that before; Wait till the Turks get to the point where they realize that WE have more Turkish surnames than the very Turks themselves.

I am forever grateful that in that item about Patriarch Mutafoghlu’s Turkish connection the writers did not realize that the very surname, “mutaf” of the Patriarch is a Turkish (actually Arabic, judging from the idiomatic form) word that means “maker of goat hair goods”.

http://www.iisg.nl/archives/en/files/a/10739101.php

 

Alexander Atabekian Papers

Period 1890-1894

Total size 0.1 m.

Consultation Not restricted

 

Biography or History

Born in Shusha, Transcaucasia, Russia 1868 of Armenian descent, died in Russia 1940 (?); studied medicine in Geneva and Lyon; became an anarchist in 1890 through Kropotkin's publications; in Geneva he published Armenian and Russian translations of Kropotkin and other anarchist authors; edited in 1894 the only Armenian anarchist periodical Hamaink (5 nos.); worked between 1896 and 1917 as a doctor in Northern Persia; after the February Revolution again active in the anarchist movement; edited the anarchist magazine Pocin, representing the anarcho-cooperative trend in the libertarian movement 1919-1923; one of the veteran anarchists who founded the Kropotkin Museum in Moscow; arrested in the 1930s and presumably died in a labour camp in 1940.

 

Content

Letters from Peter Kropotkin 1891-1893, Max Nettlau 1892-1894, Paras̆kev Stojanov 1890-1894 and others.

NB. Originally part of the Nettlau collection.

http://stiobhard.tripod.com/east/armenia.html

 

ARMENIA

Alphonse Jhéön, a promient Armenian anarchist is imprisoned by the Ottoman emperor for seducing members of the royal harem and hanged by czarist agents after the defeat of the Turks in Bulgaria in 1878. [A monument to Alphonse Jhéön, financed by a consortium of nationalist-anarchist societies, stands today in the central square of Yerevan.]

John Kinross asserts in his book, The Ottoman Centuries, that in the 1880s, Armenian secret societies and nationalist groups made contacts with and gained "an impetus from their fellow Armenians in Russia, mainly in the Caucasus,who...[held] concepts of revolution, at once socialist and anarchist..."

Armenia's best known anarchist is Alexandre Atabekian, born in the Caucasus. He is in Geneva in 1891, often in the company of Kropotkin. Atabekian becomes involved with a group of Russian students in Geneva publishing the "Anarchist Library" a series of works in Russian. Atabekian is also acquainted with Elisee Reclus, Jean Grave and Paraskev-Stoyanoff. He makes contact with anarchists of Russia, France, Italy and Bulgaria. He was with Kropotkin as he died in 1921 and Atabekian was among the organizers of the anarchist funeral procession in Moscow. In 1929, he disappeared in an action by the Bolshevik government against the anarchists.

In 1891, a number of anarchist pamphlets were published in Paris in the armenian language, including:

L'Idee est une Force

A l'Occasion de l'election du Catholicos

Aux Paysans Armeniens

Lettre aux Revolutionnnaires Armeniens

Between 1880 and 1894, an anarchist Journal, Hamaink(Commonwealth) was published by Atabekian, first in Resht, Persia and later in Paris and London. Five issues appeared, in which he gave an anarchist analysis of Armenian and Ottoman subjects as well as the international revolutionary movement. Hamayank describes the exploitation of the Armenian proletariat, calling for the communalisation of land and self-determination. The magazine opposed European intervention, centralisation of the Armenian revolutionary movement and stated that all government was tyranny.

In 1896, a pamphlet appeared with title Aux Socialistes Revolutionaires et Libertaires by the "Quelques Libertaires Armeniens".

This was translated into German and appeared in the 26 September 1896 issue of

Gustav Landauer's Der Sozialist in Germany.

In the Summer of 1890, in Tbilisi, (Georgia) a coalition of nationalists and socialists came together called the Revolutionary Armenian Federation or simply "Dashnaktsouthian" (the Federation). Its members included Konstantin Hatisian, Christopher Mikealian, Stepan Zartan, Simon Zavarian, Ruben Hanazad, Abraham Dastakian, H. Loris Malkian and Levon Sarkisian. There were a number of competing factions, but one of these produced a manifesto in 1892 which approximated the position of the Russian Nihilists, calling for arms and the propagation of the people. This faction took part in a wave of attentats at the time when such actions occurred also in the anarchist movements of France, Italy and Spain and the United States.

The Dashnaks split with the more Marxist Hunchaks ca. 1890, declaring "'The Armenian is no longer imploring. He now demands, with gun in hand.' No longer prepared to await help from the powers, which was not to materialize, he took [his] destiny...into his own hands."

The Armenian revolutionaries launched a plot to stir up a Moslem revolt by posting "seditious placards" on the walls of the towns throughout Central and Western Anatolia, calling upon all Moslems to rise against the Sultan's oppressive rule.

The Revolutionary Armenian Federation published a series of translated pamphlets of the best anarchist writers of the day:

Peter Kropotkin--

Les Minorites Revolutionnaires 1894

L'Anarchie 1893

L'Esprit de Revolte 1892-3

La Desorganisation des Etats 1892

Droits Politiques 1892

Aux Jeunes Gens (as Eritasardnerin) 1898

Elisee Reclus-- A Mon Frere le Paysans

Errico Malatesta-- Fra Contadini

Jean Grave-- Pouquoi nous sommes Revolutionnaires 1894

These may well have been translated by Alexandre Atabekian.

The Federation Also Published at least one pamphlet by Friedrich Engels.

Christapor Mikaelian, one of the founders of the Armenian Revolutionary Federation, was (at least at some point) greatly influenced by Bakunin and remained committed to direct action and decentralisation all his life.

In 1907, Paul Singer publishes, in Stuttgart, a report presented to the International Socialist Congress by the Socialist Party and the Revolutionary Armenian Federation. This french pamphlet testifies to the existence a number of active Armenian libertarians in 1896. Announces the "dawn of the Social Revolution" in the East.

The November 1907 issue of Emma Goldman's Mother Earth reports that "Anarchist agitation in the United States is being carried on in almost all the various languages spoken in this country, including Japanese, Armenian, etc."

In 1910, Hosankner by Mik'ayel Varandean (1874-1934) was published in Zhenev by Hratarkaktut'iwn HHD. The book was on the topic of socialism, labor and anarchism.

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