The Bulgars In Armenia

[gamavor]

Bulgarian origins like many other ancient people origins are subject of heated debates.

 

Skhara, you are partly right about Vanand Bulgars.

 

http://members.tripod.com/~Groznijat/armen/armen_6.html

[shaunt]

"The captured Jews were settled at Armavir and Vardges. Movses Horenaci recorded these events in book II, 14, 16, 65 and book III, 65. Besides this there was another resettlement. According to Apian 300 000 people were taken by Artavazd II (55-33 BC) – the son of Tigran the Great. J. Flavius also recorded the second event. The campaign against Palestine was a Parthian one, but Armenian troops joined it as allies. The preserved Armenian legend about Hyrcan II (63-40 BC) proves the Armenians participated in the campaign.

 

Another proof is the fact that the Hellenized Jews of Syria and Mesopotamia that had been been taken by Tigran II later adopted Christianity while the Palestinian Jews, taken by Artavazd II and settled in the region of Van, preserved their faith. According to I.A. Orbeli as late as the beginning of the XX c. the Van's peasantry regarded as Jews the citizens of Van. That second migration happened in 40 BC and is described by M. Horenaci in b. II, 19 and b. III, 35. F. Buzand had also recorded it [b. IV, 55]. The research done by G. Sarkisjan [23] made him propose that there were some smaller migrations even before the reign of Tigran II the Great. His argumentation is supported by the information of Apian that after the incorporation of Seleucid Syria by Armenia Bagarat was sent to rule there. This information is very important as it comes from a Roman and not Armenian historian. There is also an epigraphical evidence about a Jewish migration to the north. It is unanimously accepted by the historians that the first Jews who reached the lands to the north of the Black sea had travelled through the Caucasus. They used Greek as evident from the Inscriptions in Pantecapea, Anapa, Olbia, the oldest of which is from 42 AD. The composer of saint's lifes Epiphanius (end of VIII c.) even speaks about the visit of saint Andrew to the Jews of Sinope. "

 

No wonder why they say we are genetically related to them.

[skhara]

All evidence points out that in the first half of the IV c. the Bulgars had already permanently settled in  the Northern Caucasus and Armenia, and that in the third quarter of the IV c. they appeared in Europe. It seemed there was nothing more to be extracted and that there remained only to return to the “History” of M. Horenaci, when I came across two interesting facts. Acad. J. A. Manandjan, studying the main roads of Armenia according to “Tabula Peutigeriana” came to the conclusion that the station posts in Armenia had been named after the regions they were located in.

 

Well if all evidence points to that, than the Bulgar from whom I first heard this, was right.

 

Speaking of Bulgars, has anyone seen the movie "TROY"? It was shot in Mexico, and Bulgarians were shipped from Sofia to play Greek and Trojan soldiers. There were a bunch of Mexicans too, mostly in the background.

Edited July 13, 2005 by skhara

[Harut]

"The captured Jews were settled at Armavir and Vardges. Movses Horenaci recorded these events in book II, 14, 16, 65 and book III, 65. Besides this there was another resettlement. According to Apian 300 000 people were taken by Artavazd II (55-33 BC) – the son of Tigran the Great. J. Flavius also recorded the second event. The campaign against Palestine was a Parthian one, but Armenian troops joined it as allies. The preserved Armenian legend about Hyrcan II (63-40 BC) proves the Armenians participated in the campaign.

 

Another proof is the fact that the Hellenized Jews of Syria and Mesopotamia that had been been taken by Tigran II later adopted Christianity while the Palestinian Jews, taken by Artavazd II and settled in the region of Van, preserved their faith. According to I.A. Orbeli as late as the beginning of the XX c. the Van's peasantry regarded as Jews the citizens of Van. That second migration happened in 40 BC and is described by M. Horenaci in b. II, 19 and b. III, 35. F. Buzand had also recorded it [b. IV, 55]. The research done by G. Sarkisjan [23] made him propose that there were some smaller migrations even before the reign of Tigran II the Great. His argumentation is supported by the information of Apian that after the incorporation of Seleucid Syria by Armenia Bagarat was sent to rule there. This information is very important as it comes from a Roman and not Armenian historian. There is also an epigraphical evidence about a Jewish migration to the north. It is unanimously accepted by the historians that the first Jews who reached the lands to the north of the Black sea had travelled through the Caucasus. They used Greek as evident from the Inscriptions in Pantecapea, Anapa, Olbia, the oldest of which is from 42 AD. The composer of saint's lifes Epiphanius (end of VIII c.) even speaks about the visit of saint Andrew to the Jews of Sinope. "

 

No wonder why they say we are genetically related to them.

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well... no surprise there really... we all know how tightfisted vanetsis are... lol

[shaunt]

well... no surprise there really... we all know how tightfisted vanetsis are... lol

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