Zartonk Posted June 18, 2005 Report Share Posted June 18, 2005 (edited) I was lucky enough to catch a glimpse of the great independence remembrance on the telie: We gathered the largest dance chain in the recordbook.. We danced alongside the monoliths.. We reconnected with the spirit that connects us as one nation.. And we gave an optimistic baremakhtum to the better future. Symbolic unity, as an idea: check. Now where do we sit in the real world of goverments and dollars?... To point out the obvious, the growth of the RA's economic and military power, full recognition of the genocide and the eventual reagaining -what a dangerous word- of lost Armenian soil would be the dream of the most of us (Sadly I can't say that all qualify for this). It'll be grand to walk -or rather more appropriately, dance- past Ararat reaching Mush, Sasoon,.. -beyond..??- knowing your'e within Armenian borders. in The talk of this hapening occurs very often at most Armenian momentous celebrations and is spoken of enthusiastically and hopefully, but let's take a logical glimpse at reality: what are the odds? I, honestly, am still a bit junior to quite firmly make comment on the issue, but I'm curious to hear what others think of a thought that has had my mind amused. What can we and need we do for success and improvment? (This topic is quite open) Edited June 18, 2005 by Zartonk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proud EXPAT Posted June 22, 2005 Report Share Posted June 22, 2005 (edited) I was lucky enough to catch a glimpse of the great independence remembrance on the telie: We gathered the largest dance chain in the recordbook.. We danced alongside the monoliths.. We reconnected with the spirit that connects us as one nation.. And we gave an optimistic baremakhtum to the better future. Symbolic unity, as an idea: check. Now where do we sit in the real world of goverments and dollars?... To point out the obvious, the growth of the RA's economic and military power, full recognition of the genocide and the eventual reagaining -what a dangerous word- of lost Armenian soil would be the dream of the most of us (Sadly I can't say that all qualify for this). It'll be grand to walk -or rather more appropriately, dance- past Ararat reaching Mush, Sasoon,.. -beyond..??- knowing your'e within Armenian borders. in The talk of this hapening occurs very often at most Armenian momentous celebrations and is spoken of enthusiastically and hopefully, but let's take a logical glimpse at reality: what are the odds? I, honestly, am still a bit junior to quite firmly make comment on the issue, but I'm curious to hear what others think of a thought that has had my mind amused. What can we and need we do for success and improvment? (This topic is quite open) style_images/master/snapback.png I took part in the dance and that was an amazing experience to be connected hand in hand with over 150,000 other Armenians. What can you do? For one, though I don't like to dictate, I think its about time there is mass repatriation in this country. Armenia really needs more people to live here, and them being Armenians whom have lived abroad can have a major positive effect on this country, especially socially. Edited June 22, 2005 by Proud EXPAT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron Posted June 24, 2005 Report Share Posted June 24, 2005 Repatriation is a good point According to Armen Ayvazian (an analyst, expert), if diaspora armenians move to armenia for retirement it will already be a considerable boost for the economy. Moreover, repatriation should be done community by community. The cultural differences between diasporans and natives are significant enough to create integration problems (even if we don't talk about it out loud in order to promote unity!), and this has happened in the 40s, by the way! so a best case scenario would be for example, 10-20 thousand armenians from outside repopulating Shoushi (or another city), and making thus a first experiment. If shoushi succeeds, becomes a vibrant city, with thousands of diasporans having some family there, visiting every year, in other words if the city becomes a sort of base of the diaspora in Armenia, then it will be possible to extend this recipe to other zones. It's just an idea! (and it needs a lot of funding) A. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommmmmmy Posted June 24, 2005 Report Share Posted June 24, 2005 Repatriation is a good point According to Armen Ayvazian (an analyst, expert), if diaspora armenians move to armenia for retirement it will already be a considerable boost for the economy. Moreover, repatriation should be done community by community. The cultural differences between diasporans and natives are significant enough to create integration problems (even if we don't talk about it out loud in order to promote unity!), and this has happened in the 40s, by the way! so a best case scenario would be for example, 10-20 thousand armenians from outside repopulating Shoushi (or another city), and making thus a first experiment. If shoushi succeeds, becomes a vibrant city, with thousands of diasporans having some family there, visiting every year, in other words if the city becomes a sort of base of the diaspora in Armenia, then it will be possible to extend this recipe to other zones. It's just an idea! (and it needs a lot of funding) A. style_images/master/snapback.png Why Shoushi? Shouldn't we start with cities in the ROA first? Alaverdi, Echmiadzin, or even Yerevan would be a good choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron Posted June 24, 2005 Report Share Posted June 24, 2005 Shoushi is in karabagh, the most endangered part of our homeland. It is also a symbol for the unity of armenians..... plus the location of the town makes it specially beautiful and historic! Then again, I said in my message "any other city" would do the job as well! A. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted June 24, 2005 Report Share Posted June 24, 2005 hold on #1 question can you Buy a house in Sushi ??? #2 the cost - House in Yerevan or Echmiadzin cots ^$$,$$$$ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zartonk Posted June 25, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2005 Armenians whom have lived abroad can have a major positive effect on this country, especially socially. With all due respect, I agree. The cultural differences between diasporans and natives are significant enough to create integration problems (even if we don't talk about it out loud in order to promote unity!), and this has happened in the 40s, by the way! As I've been told, I (a parskahye) or any other diasporan who repatriates to the RA is referred to as an "akhper", and treated, if not badley, differently. Yet this is only what I've been told. And also, the Hyeastantsi relatives I've talked to blame the '88 quake as the climax of Armenia's economic sink and the migration. They say (speaking of $$$$) life can get really unbearable. And on Artsakh, I think thanks to the Azeri bullying Artsakhtsis have developed an "enough-is-enough" attitude which I think we all need to politically survive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron Posted June 25, 2005 Report Share Posted June 25, 2005 Of course you can buy a house in Shoushi, and it is probably extremely cheap because the city is fully destroyed! A. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proud EXPAT Posted June 28, 2005 Report Share Posted June 28, 2005 I would suggest Stepanakert considering people from Artsakh are also considered Diaspora in the eyes of Armenians from Armenia. Plus the city is developing and could make great progress with more residents coming from abroad. Shushi ONE DAY will be an awesome cultural center for Armenia/Artsakh. But sadly it's still a ghost town, and would be a shocker for the average person to move there from abroad. House in Yerevan? Well there aren't that many houses, unless they are located in the Nork region of Yerevan, or just outside of the center. The cheapest you would find would probably be $40,000 in Nork, but a house at that price will definitely need to be destroyed and rebuilt from scratch. Apartments in Yerevan will cost anywhere from $30,000+, and right in the center at least $45,000 if not more for just a one room apartment. New condos which are being built all over downtown Yerevan cost between $800-1,500 (sometimes more) a square meter. A one bedroom will be at least $80,000. A few years ago you could find a one room apartment in the center of Yerevan for $20,000+. Now the same thing will cost you about double. Echmiadzin is cheaper, and very close to Yerevan, probably about half an hour away. Though I find it too gloomy there. I would rather go for the Ashtarak area, which is about 20 minutes from Yerevan, and much more exciting. THOUGH Armenia is still too centralized, and almost everyone who wants to buy an apartment here focuses on downtown Yerevan. By the way, it's true that we Diasporans are considered "axpars/axbars" in the eyes of the locals (a term that started in the 40's) but I have never considered that an insult. They call themselves "apers", so who really cares. The good thing is that slowly everyone is mingling, with others, more and more, and you will almost always find Diaspora Armenians who have close local friends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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