Armen Posted February 21, 2005 Report Share Posted February 21, 2005 (edited) I also think Islamic none figurative arts to be totally shallow and decorative. style_images/master/snapback.png Armat, I don't know about their art value. I know little about art (as in drawing). I don't know why but I cannot strongly connect with the beauty of a painting be it figurative or non-figurative. But I would suggest to consider... Is the Chinese (or Japanese) art figurative or non-figurative? As far as I can see it is neither. And yes, that reflects their thinking and emotions. So, what are they? Arabs have a tradition of representing their alphabet in various art shapes and styles, which I find beautiful. Maybe that is not considered beautiful (or valuable) by many Westerners, but in the context of the collectivity of their cultural scenary, it is something original. It is not mine but I can enjoy it from time to time. Edited February 22, 2005 by Armen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armat Posted February 22, 2005 Report Share Posted February 22, 2005 (edited) Armat, I don't know about their art value. I know little about art (as in drawing). I don't know why but I cannot strongly connect with the beauty of a painting be it figurative or non-figurative. But I would suggest to consider... Is the Chinese (or Japanese) art figurative or non-figurative? As far as I can see it is neither. And yes, that reflects their thinking and emotions. So, what are they? Arabs have a tradition of representing their alphabet in various art shapes and styles, which I find beautiful. Maybe that is not considered beautiful (or valuable) by many Westerners, but in the context of the collectivity of their cultural scenary, it is something original. It is not mine but I can enjoy it from time to time. style_images/master/snapback.png My point refers to the individualism, which this thread was about. I find alphabet paintings to be decorative and beautiful as in decorative arts and its intention is religion oriented but comparing to great works of western art it fails miserably. There may be a direct correlation between artistic creativity, innovations transposed to scientific areas. This does tie everything down that suppression of the individual in Islam is the main obstacle of real progress. Chinese and Japanese do have both figurative and none figurative traditions which both have major Buddhist influences.I like Japanese erotic paintings. They are incredible spelling edit Edited February 22, 2005 by Armat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted February 22, 2005 Report Share Posted February 22, 2005 My point refers to the individualism, which this thread was about. I find alphabet paintings to be decorative and beautiful as in decorative arts and its intention is religion oriented but comparing to great works of western art it fails miserably. Consider if there was only western art. Or do you want all art to become westernlike? I don't think I do. For example if I take a great example of western architecture and a smilar Muslim one, the western one will be dear to me but I will judge them seperately. It is same in arts for me. There may be a direct correlation between artistic creativity, innovations transposed to scientific areas. This does tie everything down that suppression of the individual in Islam is the main obstacle of real progress. Chinese and Japanese do have both figurative and none figurative traditions which both have major Buddhist influences.I like Japanese erotic paintings. They are incredible spelling edit style_images/master/snapback.png It is the main obstacle but I don't think Islamic world would be the same if not for the Mongols. It would be much more advansed. With higher role of individual in society. And the surpressing nature of Islam would stop having an influence at some point in some Arabic countries. Surpression of individuality in the Chinese empire did not stop it from being the most developed country for several centuries. Look at China now. It regained it place and is developing very fast. And still the individuality in China is very surpressed. So, it is not only the level of indivudual freedom. There are number of other factors and circumstances. Armat, can you bring some examples of Chinese and Japanese figurative and none figurative art in some other thread? I have difficulty in distinguishing them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armat Posted February 22, 2005 Report Share Posted February 22, 2005 (edited) Armat, can you bring some examples of Chinese and Japanese figurative and none figurative art in some other thread? I have difficulty in distinguishing them. style_images/master/snapback.png This would be easy and you don't need pictures.None figurative-bamboo and moutain landscapes which was and still is popular but not exclusivily.Figurative would be monks cleaning the monastery or anything that has humans in it also japanese erotic paintings Edited February 22, 2005 by Armat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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