DominO123 Posted February 14, 2005 Report Share Posted February 14, 2005 http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/02/14/...sion/index.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted February 15, 2005 Report Share Posted February 15, 2005 Remeber when Lebanon used to boast of being the last bastion of Christianity in the ME with a Christian majority? Are Christians having (not!!) children or are they all migrating to America? Look again. ------- Religions: Muslim 70% (including Shi'a, Sunni, Druze, Isma'ilite, Alawite or Nusayri), Christian 30% (including Orthodox Christian, Catholic, Protestant), Jewish NEGL% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nakharar Posted February 15, 2005 Report Share Posted February 15, 2005 I thought the Druze were a distinct religion even though they are an ofshoot of Islam. Aren't Alawites, Ismailis and Nusayris Shiites as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted February 15, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2005 Remeber when Lebanon used to boast of being the last bastion of Christianity in the ME with a Christian majority? Are Christians having (not!!) children or are they all migrating to America? Look again. ------- Religions: Muslim 70% (including Shi'a, Sunni, Druze, Isma'ilite, Alawite or Nusayri), Christian 30% (including Orthodox Christian, Catholic, Protestant), Jewish NEGL% style_images/master/snapback.png It is the migration probably. The majority of Lebanese whom migrated are Christian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted February 15, 2005 Report Share Posted February 15, 2005 (edited) I thought the Druze were a distinct religion even though they are an ofshoot of Islam. Aren't Alawites, Ismailis and Nusayris Shiites as well? style_images/master/snapback.png Among many, consider this. http://essenes.net/Nusayri.html Pay special attention to the words "cult" and "ghulat". Western dictionaries define "cult" to be derived from the Latin "cult" as in "culture" and "cultivation". Nonsense! As one can see it is from the Arabic "ghulat". Those who know Persian wil attest that the word is based on "ghalat"/mistake/error", and the "ghulat", plural noun are who have "erred/mistaken". Heretic? Unorthodox? As "Sunni" is often translated as "orthodox". Another detail; The word "nusayri" is a variation of "Nassara/Ansar" that the Moslems use to describe Christians. There is a term "hart al Nassara", the "Chrsitian Quarter". In literal terms it actually means "the conquered". Does "Neissirian" ring a bell? We may think that the Armenian name Nazar is based on Nazareth. Look again. Does it not appear that it may be based on "nasser/nazir/nazar/conquerer"? Of course! "Anhaght heros Qaj'n Nazar, or mek zarkov jarthe hazar"! :) Nusayri Nusayriyyah Sub Sect of Islam The Order of O:N:E: acknowledges a Manichaean influence on many middle eastern and far eastern mystical sects, including the Nusayri sect. The Nusayris, or Alawis, are a religious minority mostly in Syria. It is estimated that there about 600,000 Nusayris in Syria who make up about 11% of the population of the country (Halm 1991, 159). A majority of the Dimila Kurds of Anatolia and some of their Kurmanji speaking neighbors are followers of the Cult of Angels. Called collectively the Alawis ("the Followers of Ali"), the Alevis ("the People of Fire," implying fire-worship or Zoroastrianism, from alev, "fire"), the Qizilbash ("the red heads," from their red head gear; see Costumes & lewelry), and the Nusayri (which can be interpreted as the "Nazarenes," implying Christianity). They are classified as a Ghulat, or an extremist sect split off from mainline Shiism with their own unorthodox views on religious teachings and law. Nusayri doctrine is a mixture of Islamic, Gnostic and Christian beliefs and they do not believe in the Quran. The Nusayris trace their origins to the eleventh Shi'a Imam al-Hasan al-Askari (d.873) and his pupil Ibn Nusayr (d.868). The Order of O:N:E: disagrees with the Nusayris on the point of woman. The Nusayris say woman have no souls. True Gnostics believe woman are the sou Edited February 15, 2005 by Arpa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verginne Posted March 4, 2005 Report Share Posted March 4, 2005 Among many, consider this. http://essenes.net/Nusayri.html Pay special attention to the words "cult" and "ghulat". Western dictionaries define "cult" to be derived from the Latin "cult" as in "culture" and "cultivation". Nonsense! As one can see it is from the Arabic "ghulat". Those who know Persian wil attest that the word is based on "ghalat"/mistake/error", and the "ghulat", plural noun are who have "erred/mistaken". Heretic? Unorthodox? As "Sunni" is often translated as "orthodox". Another detail; The word "nusayri" is a variation of "Nassara/Ansar" that the Moslems use to describe Christians. There is a term "hart al Nassara", the "Chrsitian Quarter". In literal terms it actually means "the conquered". Does "Neissirian" ring a bell? We may think that the Armenian name Nazar is based on Nazareth. Look again. Does it not appear that it may be based on "nasser/nazir/nazar/conquerer"? Of course! "Anhaght heros Qaj'n Nazar, or mek zarkov jarthe hazar"! :) Nusayri Nusayriyyah Sub Sect of Islam The Order of O:N:E: acknowledges a Manichaean influence on many middle eastern and far eastern mystical sects, including the Nusayri sect. The Nusayris, or Alawis, are a religious minority mostly in Syria. It is estimated that there about 600,000 Nusayris in Syria who make up about 11% of the population of the country (Halm 1991, 159). A majority of the Dimila Kurds of Anatolia and some of their Kurmanji speaking neighbors are followers of the Cult of Angels. Called collectively the Alawis ("the Followers of Ali"), the Alevis ("the People of Fire," implying fire-worship or Zoroastrianism, from alev, "fire"), the Qizilbash ("the red heads," from their red head gear; see Costumes & lewelry), and the Nusayri (which can be interpreted as the "Nazarenes," implying Christianity). They are classified as a Ghulat, or an extremist sect split off from mainline Shiism with their own unorthodox views on religious teachings and law. Nusayri doctrine is a mixture of Islamic, Gnostic and Christian beliefs and they do not believe in the Quran. The Nusayris trace their origins to the eleventh Shi'a Imam al-Hasan al-Askari (d.873) and his pupil Ibn Nusayr (d.868). The Order of O:N:E: disagrees with the Nusayris on the point of woman. The Nusayris say woman have no souls. True Gnostics believe woman are the sou style_images/master/snapback.png Funny there was no discussion here about responsibility. Do people here believe that Syria was really responsible??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armjan Posted March 5, 2005 Report Share Posted March 5, 2005 (edited) Funny there was no discussion here about responsibility. Do people here believe that Syria was really responsible??? style_images/master/snapback.png who else should we hold accountable? the topic of responsibility is tricky b/c we don't have proof either way. all we know is that the form of attack is similar to those carried out by muslim fundementalists in other parts of the region so it's a natural extension, but u'r right, I don't know how one can tell the true motives behind the attack without more konwledge. Edited March 5, 2005 by armjan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted March 5, 2005 Report Share Posted March 5, 2005 It is the migration probably. The majority of Lebanese whom migrated are Christian. That, yes, and it might also be because each muslim women get 8 children or more. (!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armjan Posted March 5, 2005 Report Share Posted March 5, 2005 (edited) That, yes, and it might also be because each muslim women get 8 children or more. (!) style_images/master/snapback.png yes even the mexicans can't catch up with them! I used to work in Kmart, this is not a racist statement. i know , i saw. Edited March 5, 2005 by armjan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted March 8, 2005 Report Share Posted March 8, 2005 The Lebanese Muslims are surely more moderate... but not the Pakistanis or Bangladeshis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armjan Posted March 8, 2005 Report Share Posted March 8, 2005 hi, anyone here from lebanon. just wondering if it's safe for americans to travel there. we don't want to end up on al jazeera asking for intervention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted March 12, 2005 Report Share Posted March 12, 2005 Hi. I have travelled there a few times, I'm born there. If the situation in Lebanon calms down, it'll be safe to travel there. Lebanon isn't a war zone anymore. And Lebanon isn't an Islamist country either. Just make sure you don't go running around in southern Lebanon - countrolled by Hizbullah - showing your new T-shirt or backpack with the American flag! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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