wh00t Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 There is a liberal show out on satellite radio now called, "The Young Turks". It features a Turkish-American as the main host. Though I enjoy the show, I find the name somewhat offensive, do you think it's worth complaining? http://www.youngturk.com/xoops/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 There is a liberal show out on satellite radio now called, "The Young Turks". It features a Turkish-American as the main host. Though I enjoy the show, I find the name somewhat offensive, do you think it's worth complaining? http://www.youngturk.com/xoops/ style_images/master/snapback.png I think it is offensive, since YoungTurk here doesn't mean a young Turk, but really Young Turk(it uses the same definition derived as the Progressists that founded the Ittihadists Terrakists) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nakharar Posted January 6, 2005 Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 I don't think most have a clue what it meant before the Young Turks became hard cold realists. It has a nice ring to it though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
regmura Posted March 10, 2005 Report Share Posted March 10, 2005 There is a liberal show out on satellite radio now called, "The Young Turks". It features a Turkish-American as the main host. Though I enjoy the show, I find the name somewhat offensive, do you think it's worth complaining? http://www.youngturk.com/xoops/ style_images/master/snapback.png Being a Turk, and knowing the show you are talking about, It is not meant to be "Ittihat ve Terakki" or Jöntürkler. It meant to be a young radical who agitates for reform. It is a well known definition in this aspect, even it is also used in business world, too. It has a connection to Turks but it is not about the "Young Turks" that you know. Anyway, leave everything to side, if you are following the show regularly, you should have known that Cenk Uygur and his friends are far away being pan-Turkist, racist whaever... Hope this helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted March 10, 2005 Report Share Posted March 10, 2005 Being a Turk, and knowing the show you are talking about, It is not meant to be "Ittihat ve Terakki" or Jöntürkler. It meant to be a young radical who agitates for reform. It is a well known definition in this aspect, even it is also used in business world, too. It has a connection to Turks but it is not about the "Young Turks" that you know. Anyway, leave everything to side, if you are following the show regularly, you should have known that Cenk Uygur and his friends are far away being pan-Turkist, racist whaever... Hope this helps. style_images/master/snapback.png But was it not for that expression that the government was called "Young-Turk" It was a reformist and progressit party... i always thought that the name Young-turk came from that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arvestaked Posted March 10, 2005 Report Share Posted March 10, 2005 It is not worth complaining about. We have to learn to limit the complaining to things that matter. If there is anything people hate it is people who are constantly whining. I think it is a bad name but people should be able to call their show whatever they want. I don't want to be seen as Jews are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
regmura Posted March 10, 2005 Report Share Posted March 10, 2005 But was it not for that expression that the government was called "Young-Turk" It was a reformist and progressit party... i always thought that the name Young-turk came from that. style_images/master/snapback.png Yes, it is right. But Young Turk movement was not just about Ittihat ve Terakki cemiyeti. It had a background to this party. Young Ottoman definition started being used at 19. Century and it ended with the Ittihat ve Terakki cemiyeti's wrong and unfair acts. In fact, Young Ottomans are considered as the mother of Young Turks regarding being nationalist. However, there is a sharp difference between the reformist ideas of both political parties. In French documents Young Ottomans were called as "Jeune Turc," and following generation of Young Ottomans adopted this French saying instead of the first name. It was not just about the name, but most of the principles were different now. However, in many Turkish sources and many other foreign ones Young Ottomans and their acts melted in the same pot. Yet, while Europeans were aware of the results of Ittihat ve Terakki regarding Armenian citizens' rights and existence, they wouldn't start using Young Turk as a synonym to describe things. The definition started being used before Ittihat ve Terakki and their well-known leaders. Today, this definition is not favored anymore because of the well-known incident of Ittihat ve Terakki and Young Turk definition's connection. But indeed, the definition doesn't address the same party, as I explained. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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