Proud EXPAT Posted December 18, 2004 Report Share Posted December 18, 2004 Are both "da" and "ayd" correct to use? And if yes what's the difference really? Same goes for "na"/"ayn" and "sa"/"ays." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted December 18, 2004 Report Share Posted December 18, 2004 You can use them both, it's just that sa/da/na are used on their own as subjects. whereas ayd/ayn/ays are demonstratives that have to be used with a noun. Example: - Sa sirun e. - *Ays sirun e (where * means grammatically incorrect). - *Sa tun@ sirun e. - Ays tun@ sirun e. So sa/da/na are subjects in their own right, but ays/ayn/ayd must take a "complement", i.e. something that follows and has to be present, in this case a noun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proud EXPAT Posted December 18, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2004 Thanks nairi. Now let me ask another question, hope it doesn't sound like a stupid one. I think I know the answer anyway but I'll still ask. "Ays tunn e sirun" or "Ays tun@ sirun e"? I'm guessing the first one is in reference to finding a "sirun" house, then finally finding one and saying "ays tunn e sirun", where as the second one is a compliment out of nowhere, a simple compliment saying "oh this house is pretty." Did I make sense? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted December 18, 2004 Report Share Posted December 18, 2004 Yes, and I agree. The first one emphasizes that it's this house that is pretty, whereas the other just says that this house is pretty. I would also argue that the emphasis in the first one is not only on "this", but also on "house", i.e. it's this house that is pretty and not this dog, for instance. Anyway, because the first sentence emphasizes either "this" or "house", or both (?), you need something to emphasize it against. So yes, it's not a comment that can stand on its own; it needs to be part of some preceding dialogue. The thing with case-languages like Armenian is that word order is very free (though limited). The problem is that depending on the order of the words, the meaning or weight of the sentence changes. So although both these sentences are grammatical and grammatically convey the same thing, namely that this house is pretty, their "weight" is difference, and thus they're used only in certain contexts. You made perfect sense. I hope I did too... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gellamelan Posted January 6, 2005 Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 I always thought Sa/Da/Na are a part of a slang. are they linguistically correct? cuz only Haiastantsees use them. I've never encountered them in literature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted January 6, 2005 Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 Maybe only because Haiastantsees use proper Armenian? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted January 6, 2005 Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 Maybe only because Haiastantsees use proper Armenian? style_images/master/snapback.png Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gellamelan Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 Maybe only because Haiastantsees use proper Armenian? style_images/master/snapback.png hello ignorant person. just letting you know that both western and eastern dialects are "proper Armenian". but your devoid mind wouldn't think so... why you ask? because some people's minds are so closed, they think theirs is the only way. grow up and read a little will ya? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 (edited) I always thought Sa/Da/Na are a part of a slang. are they linguistically correct? cuz only Haiastantsees use them. I've never encountered them in literature. style_images/master/snapback.png well... actually not true... it is used in Western Armenian and found in literature... EDIT: another variant used in WA is as/ad/an. though, don't know about their level of formality. Edited January 11, 2005 by Harut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 I always thought Sa/Da/Na are a part of a slang. are they linguistically correct? cuz only Haiastantsees use them. I've never encountered them in literature. style_images/master/snapback.png just another note... they are used in Գրաբար [Grapar] a lot more... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gellamelan Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 okay I looked into this. basically Sa/Da/Na are tsoutsagan adzagan-s just like ait/ain/ais... used in both dialects but more in Eastern. Krapar too. thanx Harut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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