Armenian Wants To Marry A Kidnapped Girl

[Armen]

Yup Azat, that's all time classic. I never get bored of it.

 

My favourite part is Frunzik's twist dance in the restaurant

[Nané]

Yup Azat, that's all time classic. I never get bored of it.

 

My favourite part is Frunzik's twist dance in the restaurant 

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ah childhood memories. everytime they showed that movie on TV I would dress like Nina and do the song and dance "Gde to na belom svetye, tam gdye vsegda maroz .................. (I know i'm butchering it) ............. la la la la la la laaaaaaaaaaaa ... (somethng) bestrey zemlya"

[Armen]

Asuma: "Kogda iz etva nevesta shashlik budesh delat nezabud piriglasit"

 

Sulamik did you have that haircut too?

[Nané]

Asuma: "Kogda iz etva nevesta shashlik budesh delat nezabud piriglasit" 

 

Sulamik did you have that haircut too? 

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Eventually and that's when people started telling me I sort of look like her

[dianjan]

ah childhood memories.  everytime they showed that movie on TV I would dress like Nina and do the song and dance "Gde to na belom svetye, tam gdye vsegda maroz .................. (I know i'm butchering it) ............. la la la la la la laaaaaaaaaaaa ... (somethng) bestrey zemlya"   

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One of my favorite quotes of the movie is

"Ili ya yeye v zaks, ili ona menya v prokaraturu"

[Azat]

Esli b ya byl sultan - Yuri Nikulin

 

Enjoy. Heto chaseq Azat@ mer hamar voch mi ban chi anum. (I wasted half an hour looking for this song on the net)

[dianjan]

Esli b ya byl sultan - Yuri Nikulin

 

Enjoy.  Heto chaseq Azat@ mer hamar voch mi ban chi anum.  (I wasted half an hour looking for this song on the net)

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Azatjan,

thank you very much. I haven't heard that song for a while. Brought back a lot of memories about the movie.

[Armen]

Esli b ya byl sultan - Yuri Nikulin

 

Enjoy.  Heto chaseq Azat@ mer hamar voch mi ban chi anum.  (I wasted half an hour looking for this song on the net)

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I am going to apply Harut's joke

 

Azat jan, listen to that song and watch the Emil's Hypo dance. It's hyterical with that song

 

http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=10198

[gamavor]

Great movie

KIDNAPPING CAUCASIAN STYLE

 

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I still keep this movie in my video collection and laugh my ass off everytime I see it!

[gamavor]

Movses the new style is when the young ladies come and kidnap the men.  this is why for the last 5 years I have taken all the locks off my home.  and I keep waiting and waiting and waiting.  En Maytag repair men vonts vor linem.

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As friend of mine put it: "We live in times when men are afraid to ask for "tra-la-la" because they might got the "YES" answer!"

[Armen]

Gams, you're getting back to this topic on a daily basis now. Are you considering something along the same lines. Like "Bill-e goghtsav Suzy-in"? Remember you're in Huston (TX)

[Armen]

A drunk cowboy on his drunk horse rides into a bar, shoots the drunk barman, picks up the first drunk "lady" and rides away

[Arpa]

On Sunday morning may 14 the NPR had a segment about “bridal kidnappings” in Georgia, as the program evolved it became obvious that the story was in fact recorded in the Armenian regions (Akhalkalaki) of Georgia,and the word “Armenian” was mentioned several times just as some of the characters with names like Anna Oganesian etc. were heard speaking.

Below the listing. I can’t find the full text and neither can I open the audio. Can anyone?

Btw, in the same program was a story about the Kana dogs whish we know as Haykakan Gampre, even if there mention no mention of “Armenian”

 

 

Kidnapping Custom Makes a Comeback in Georgia

 



by Lawrence Sheets

Weekend Edition Sunday, May 14, 2006 · In some rural parts of the Republic of Georgia, an old custom is experiencing a revival. Women are being kidnapped and held for a night by men who want to marry them, thereby making eventual nuptials a necessity, according to local traditions. Some families say they fear letting their daughters go out into public, lest they be "forced" into unwanted marriages. Activists are speaking out against the "tradition," but they concede it may be hard to change attitudes

Edit. Here is the full text.

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KIDNAPPING CUSTOM MAKES A COMEBACK IN GEORGIA

Anchors: Liane Hansen

Reporters: Lawrence Sheets

 

National Public Radio (NPR)

SHOW: Weekend Edition Sunday 1200-1300 PM

May 14, 2006 Sunday

 

LIANE HANSEN, host:

 

In some of the more remote parts of the former Soviet Union, there's

been a resurgence of bride kidnapping. The ancient custom is being

practiced in Kyrgyzstan and in some parts of the Caucusus Mountains.

 

Women's groups in former Soviet Georgia are trying to draw attention

to the kidnappings and to use new laws to curb the practice.

 

NPR's Lawrence Sheets has this report from Georgia.

 

LAWRENCE SHEETS reporting:

 

In the remote mountain villages of the Javaheji(ph) region, the fall

of communism led to a revival of the old ways, even in courtship.

 

Lea(ph) Meidseradi(ph) had seen her husband-to-be Gia(ph) only once

or twice, when he and some of his friends grabbed her off a village

street, shoved her into a car and took her away to his relative's

house.

 

Ms. LEA MEIDSERADI (Kidnapped Bride): (Through translator) I told

him I loved another boy, but he told me, even if you had five kids

I wouldn't leave you alone.

 

SHEETS: That time, Gia relented and he let Lea go. But Gia was

persistent. He kidnapped Lea a total of four times, chasing her down a

ravine in one case. Finally, Lea says, most people in her home village

found out she'd been kidnapped and, thus, she had lost her honor.

 

Ms. MEIDSERADI: (Through translator) He kidnapped me so many times

and everyone knew. I started to be afraid that people might say I

wasn't a virgin. So I just gave up, even though I wanted to run away.

 

My family told me, there's nothing you can do now. You must marry him,

otherwise you'll shame your brothers.

 

SHEETS: After village elders celebrated by slaughtering a pig, Lea

and Gia were married. She said she cried through the entire ceremony.

 

Most so-called bride kidnappings -- called Motsatseva(ph) in Georgian

-- are actually part of elaborate local courtship rights. Brides

often give their consents to the so-called kidnappings as a way around

parental opposition to the marriages. But locals estimate 20 percent or

so are real kidnappings, done against the wishes of the would-be bride.

 

Taquiv Aranan(ph) is a civic activist in the Javaheji region.

 

Ms. TAQUIV ARANAN (Civic Activist, Javaheji Region): (Through

translator) According to our mentality, after that kidnapping, even

if she doesn't want the guy, she's forced to marry him. And they live

without love. The woman becomes a slave and in these families there

are many fights and beatings.

 

SHEETS: Taquiv Aranan says that in Soviet times, bride kidnappings

were very rare. But over the past decade there's been a big increase.

 

She attributes the rise to post-Soviet poverty and the lack of ways for

young people to interact in this highly conservative mountain region.

 

Ms. ARANAN: (Through translator) When I was growing up in the Soviet

period, there was a theater, places to meet, a youth club. Now there

is nothing. We have to create new places where young people can meet.

 

SHEETS: Until three years ago, kidnapping a woman for marriage was

considered only a relatively minor infraction under Georgian law. It

even fell under a separate statute. That law was scrapped and bride

snatchers now theoretically face 15 years in prison, as any kidnapper

would.

 

Fifty mile away lies the predominantly ethnic Armenian town of

Ahakalagi(ph), tucked under 10,000-foot high mountain peaks. Bride

kidnapping is rarely discussed here, but a group of women is meeting

to talk about the problem. Some of them are openly talking about it

for the first time.

 

Lawyer Anita Hoganisian(ph) encourages bride kidnapping victims

to press criminal charges. But she says almost no young women do

because of pressure from their families in this closely knit society

to keep quiet.

 

Ms. ONITA HOGANISIAN (Attorney): (Through translator) There are very

many cases where the authorities blame this on our traditions. Young

women have no social protection in our society and their families don't

understand the problem. They see their daughters as having been shamed.

 

SHEETS: Hoganisian says only five legal cases were opened in this

region over the past year, though she believes the real numbers

of bride kidnappings to be many times higher. And four of those

five cases were dropped after the young women victims refused to

cooperate. Hoganisian represented the only young woman who took her

case all the way to a judge.

 

Ms. HOGANISIAN: (Through translator) This girl was kidnapped by a

distant relative, held for 48 hours and raped. But the guy was only

given a suspended sentence because the girl's family evidently put

pressure on the girl not to demand that he be punished.

 

SHEETS: Hoganisian says the young girl now has been shamed into

isolation. She refuses to even come out of her parents' house.

 

(Soundbite of chatter)

 

SHEETS: And although this women's forum is discussing ways to raise

social awareness about bride kidnapping, not all in the room agree

that the custom can be stopped.

 

Ana Naktaktian(ph) is a 62-year-old former accountant.

 

Ms. ANA NAKTAKTIAN (Former Accountant): (Through translator) It's a

bad thing that this happens, but this has been going on for hundreds

of years. There's nothing anyone can do about it. These are our

traditions.

 

SHEETS: Lea Meidseradi agrees with that. She's now been with her

husband Gia for 15 years, since she was bride kidnapped. Lea says she

hated her husband at first, but that things worked out fine in the end.

 

Ms. MEIDSERADI: (Through translator) I got used to it. He's a very

good husband and I quickly came to love him. Gia fought for his love.

 

The main thing is for a boy to love you. The woman will love him later.

 

SHEETS: Lea and Gia now have three children. Lea says she hopes her

now 12-year-old daughter will get married by mutual consent one day.

 

But Lea, an Orthodox Christian who now teaches religion in a public

school here, says that if her daughter is bride kidnapped, so be it.

 

It will be the will of God, she says.

 

Lawrence Sheets, NPR News, Georgia.

Edited May 16, 2006 by Arpa

[Kouklitsa]

Don't laugh but there's something sexy about being 'kidnapped' as long as you know. My mother is still distressed that I'm 'almost 30' and not married. She threatened to send me to Tashkent to be kidnapped if I didn't hurry up and 'just do it.' So, my boyfriend and I were talking about how Georgian and Uzbek couples arrange 'kidnaps' to avoid huge wedding expenses. I asked if kidnapping was ever performed in Armenia. It is not a big Greek thing, but the Turks used to kidnap and sometimes kidnap the Greek girls they couldn't ask the father for. He said yes, it is known in Armenia, too, but not common. This seems to be a common Central Asian thing -- notice that? From Turkey, through Transoxania into Mongolia EVERYONE kidnapped brides. Apparently this is a popular vogue again in Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan and with Azeri.... the rate of kidnapped brides have increased among the young and the poorer families who cannot pay doweries or trousseau. I thought kidnap would be more exciting than Vegas for sure....

[Hreshtak]

Apeldoornse Courant, The Netherlands

November 6, 2004

 

[English follows: translated exclusively for ANN/Groong]

Armenier wil trouwen met ontvoerd meisje(17)

 

van een onzer verslaggevers -

 

GRONINGEN - Een 17-jarig meisje uit Oost-Groningen, dat tegen haar

wil in een woning in Assen werd vastgehouden, is door de politie

bevrijd.

 

Vier Armeense mannen zijn gearresteerd. Het meisje was op klaarlichte

dag in de stad Groningen in een auto getrokken en meegenomen.

Omstanders hadden gezien dat het meisje zich verzette en om hulp

schreeuwde. Toen de politie arriveerde, was de auto al met hoge

snelheid weggereden.

 

Op straat werd een tasje aangetroffen met daarin de

identiteitspapieren van het meisje dat over zowel de Nederlandse als

Armeense nationaliteit beschikt.

 

De politie kwam de ontvoerders snel

op het spoor via het kenteken van de auto, dat door omstanders was

genoteerd. Enkele uren later werd het meisje in een woning in Assen

aangetroffen, waar ze werd bewaakt door een 19-jarige Armenier. Die

zei met het meisje te willen trouwen. Omdat in Armenie uithuwelijken

niet ongebruikelijk is, wordt de rol van de ouders van het meisje

onderzocht.

 

Ik vindt dit echt achterlijk maar heb er trouwens nooit van gehoord.. het is nu ook ruim 4 jaar geleden. Ben wel beniewd wat er uiteindelijk met dat meisje gebeurd is..

[Armen]

Ik vindt dit echt achterlijk maar heb er trouwens nooit van gehoord.. het is nu ook ruim 4 jaar geleden. Ben wel beniewd wat er uiteindelijk met dat meisje gebeurd is..

 

Ya? Wundeba. Could you say the same in Englisch, please? It's very intriguing

[Hreshtak]

Ya? Wundeba. Could you say the same in Englisch, please? It's very intriguing

 

lol sorry i thought you could speak dutch.. anyways i wrote: This is really stupid but i've never heard of it...i wonder what happend to that girl..