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A friend of mine, who is an odar, once made a comment to me that had a certain impact upon my perception of things. I had asked him to rip a european DVD I had in my possession with the famous denialist "documentary" Sari Gelin. I had not informed him of the content, nor the reasons for which it was in my possession and to my knowledge he did not have much prior background on the issue. Inevitably, while making the copy & testing to make sure it works for region1 players, he watched the entire video. His comment to me simply: "this is pretty bad propaganda". In other words he saw right through it. I'm not sure that we give enough credit to some odars who run across some of these purported "documentaries". BS smells no matter which way you look at it.

This kind of news would have never even made it into Canadian papers had it not been for the attention generated by Hrant Dink's assassination. The cynical side of me says that it won't make a shred of difference. However I'm still hoping that slowly but surely the true nature of Turkish policy is being exposed and this will result in the unraveling of the twine....

Turkish court orders YouTube blocked BENJAMIN HARVEY Associated Press ISTANBUL, Turkey — A Turkish court ordered access to YouTube's Web site blocked Wednesday, after a prosecutor recommended the ban because of videos allegedly insulting the founder of modern Turkey, Mustafa Kemal Ataturk. Paul Doany, head of Turk Telekom, Turkey's largest telecommunications provider, said his company had immediately begun enforcing the ban. “We are not in the position of saying that what YouTube did was an insult, that it was right or wrong,” Doany told the state-run Anatolia news agency. “A court decision was proposed to us, and we are doing what that court decision says.” Visitors to the YouTube site from Turkey were greeted with the message: “Access to this site has been blocked by a court decision!...” A message in both Turkish and English at the bottom of the page said, “Access to www.youtube.com site has been suspended in accordance with decision no: 2007/384 dated 06.03.2007 of Istanbul First Criminal Peace Court.” Doany said Turk Telekom would allow access to the popular video sharing site again if the court decision were rescinded. Access from Turkey might be possible through other service providers, he said. During the past week, Turkish media publicized what some called a “virtual war” between Greeks and Turks on YouTube, with people from both sides posting videos to belittle and berate the other. The video prompting the ban allegedly said Ataturk and the Turkish people were homosexuals, news reports said. The CNN-Turk Web site featured a link allowing Turks to complain directly by e-mail to YouTube about the “insult.” On its front page Wednesday, the newspaper Hurriyet said thousands of people had written to YouTube and that the Ataturk videos had been removed from the site. “YouTube got the message,” the headline said. Insulting Ataturk or “Turkishness” is a crime in Turkey punishable by prison. Turkey, which hopes to join the European Union, has been roundly condemned for not doing enough to curb extreme nationalist sentiments and to protect freedom of expression. It's not the first time YouTube has been banned. The Australian state of Victoria recently banned it from government schools in a crackdown on cyber-bullying after a gang of male students videotaped their assault on a 17-year-old girl on the outskirts of Melbourne. Source: The Globe and Mail

Tried another browser, and it's no good... weird.

We are so few and yet we find ways to divide ourslves ARF/AGBU, Antilias/Etchmiadzin, Eastern/Western etc, etc, etc.....

Could there be a battle for control going on? I cleared my cache and still see it as defaced.

And it's about ice skating of all things...

You can possibly over ride your ISP's DNS settings. Try Level3 Communications: 4.2.2.1 / 4.2.2.2 as your DNS IPs - if that works, than you've found the problem....

Dude! How many times are we going to see This Video????

I'm undecided. I'm nowhere close to Laval, but I am aware that there are many Armenians there, and their numbers are growing. I have a question however, for any Montreal based Armenians: Has anyone identified all the various Armenian churches, community centres and schools in Montreal with respect to their affiliations? Eg. Sourp Hagob/ARF... It would be interesting (for those of us without a clue about these things...)

The Seven Blunders of the World: Wealth without work Pleasure without conscience Knowledge without character Commerce without morality Science without humanity Worship without sacrifice Politics without principle Source.

Arpa jan! Inch patmuchun es patmum??? The top was down but the windows were rolled up!!! And you guys (Edward!) will never let me forget the auger episode will you?

Hey hey hey!!! thanks guys! I was hoping to get that Ferrarri that Azat promised me, but it's almost midnight and I haven't seen anything yet....

This article paints a certain picture. One that is re-enforced particularly by the quote in bold... Turkey's nationalist hotbed By Sarah Rainsford BBC News, Trabzon, eastern Turkey On match days Trabzon turns claret and blue as thousands of football fans stream towards their stadium. The Black Sea port city was always famous for its football. The only team outside Istanbul ever to win the league title, Trabzonspor, is the pride of this place - its identity. But the city is now notorious as home to the teenage boy and eight accomplices charged with plotting to kill ethnic Armenian journalist Hrant Dink, who was shot dead in Istanbul last month. Some here seem proud of that connection. When Dink was murdered, tens of thousands of people took to the streets of Istanbul and declared themselves Armenian in solidarity. In Trabzon, football fans held up banners in response that read: "We're all Turks." "People here are proud to be Turks, without thinking about what it really means. There is a blind nationalism here. Racism has flourished," says local political activist Zeynep Erdugul. Two years ago she and her friends were beaten in the streets of Trabzon by a furious mob that mistook them for supporters of the Kurdish separatists, the PKK. Ms Erdugul fears nationalist feeling is now climbing to dangerous new heights. In public people will say it is bad that Hrant Dink was killed, but to most Trabzon people he was not an intellectual - he was just an Armenian," she says. [my emphasis] The alleged teenage gunman, Ogun Samast, is said to have told police the journalist had "insulted Turkishness" by contesting the state position that the mass killing of Armenians by Turks in 1915 was not genocide. Tucked away on Turkey's northern coast between snow-capped mountains and the Black Sea, Trabzon was once a cosmopolitan metropolis. It was a Greek colony, then capital of the Trebizond Empire - a bustling trading town on the Silk Road. As the Turkish Republic was forged a century ago, the Greeks were expelled and the Armenians deported or killed. When Trabzon people talk about outsiders today, they mean migrants from the next village. "The nationalist instinct is higher in Trabzon than in other regions of Turkey and it's rising," says newspaper editor Ali Ozturk. He describes Trabzon as an insecure, even paranoid, place. "From time to time Trabzon appears on new maps of a Greater Armenia or the Pontus Greek Empire and some groups here see that as a real threat. They think the Armenians and Greeks want to take over their land and that makes them very sensitive," Mr Ozturk says. But most locals believe it was poverty that drove Dink's alleged killers to murder. They point to crowds of youths and men wandering the city's cobbled streets or lounging on its benches, unemployed and disenchanted. Mayor Volkan Canalioglu rejects any suggestion that there is a problem here with ultra-nationalism. "Murders, rapes and other crimes are on the increase all over the world," he says. "Hrant Dink's killing should be seen in that context. "The people of this region have characters like the waves of the Black Sea. They explode suddenly then calm down. When you add unemployment, broken homes and lost hopes to that character - then it's very easy to influence people here, and provoke them to action." Unemployment levels here are about average for Turkey, but there is just one factory and it produces young players for Trabzonspor. Football is the height of boys' hopes here. It represents their ticket to wealth and status, and a way to prove themselves. "The young people of Trabzon are so neglected that there are no other opportunities to fulfil their ambitions," says youth team co-ordinator Ozkan Sumer, as boys in pale blue dash about a nearby training pitch. A former Trabzonspor player himself, Mr Sumer makes mighty claims for the game this city is obsessed with. "Young people here are left dangling and there's always a danger they could break away from society. Football is the only thing that keeps them from falling," he says. In depressed city suburbs like Pelitli, there does seem little else to dream of. The accused gunman and his alleged chief accomplice both come from this neglected neighbourhood, where small children play in puddles and older boys chase a ball down the street. But even Pelitli has a football team and both the main accused played for it. The team, Pelitlispor, initially carried messages of support for its ex-teammates on its website. Friends of those in custody now insist they do not agree with the murder of Dink. But they do share the alleged killer's controversial views on Turkish history. "As the people of this soil, we don't believe there was any Armenian genocide," says one friend, Serkan. It is that view - still the official position of Turkey and hotly disputed by Armenians - that Dink challenged in his work. "This land is ours - and when there are things to defend, we definitely do that," adds another friend of one of the accused. "But we talk about football or finding a job round here, not about Hrant Dink or any genocide." Trabzon is a city where nationalism is nurtured and admired. It certainly does not feel ashamed by its association with the murder of Dink. It feels defensive. The only question people here are asking themselves is what all the fuss is about. Story from BBC NEWS

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Don't worry about Ani jan These things make their round all the time. Just don't count on unlocking your car with your cell.

I think the "Editor's note" really gets people!

Ummm.... duh? Hurry hurry everyone, quick! Let's build a naval port so we can gte a higher rating for international tourism!!!

Snopes helps us out again! Most of these are False, with the exception of the last one, which comes with a Caveat. So the second one really worked for you?

For the last departmental picnic, management had decided that due to liability issues, we could have alcohol, but only one (1) drink per person. I was fired for ordering the cups...

Awesome thread!

So start again - save the file in Temporary Internet Files as another format that is compatible with Subtitle Workshop - see if that works.

I don't know if/how you can rip .flv format. I'm assuming that with Squeeze or something you could render the video in another format, but I'm not too certain of that.