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I saw it last night pretty funny. the woman who was playing the 'turkish' actress is Greek and she was in "My Big Fat Greek Wedding" . If any of you saw the movie they portrayed the turks as bloodthirsty people. I'm guessing that the Turkish State television episode on SNL was done on purpose. I was laughing my a** off when the turkish actress started picking her nose in front of the camera After the 2 turkish men started to argue one of them turned to the other and said "You're threating me like I'm an Armenian"

hell no I just wish that they would recognize the genocide in my lifetime.

He also didn't tell the truth about the Genocide being number of reasons of EU's of turkey. He also didn't tell the truth about the Genocide being number of reasons that the turkish government isn't allowed to enter the EU.

I nearly feel from the chair when he said that in 1919 the Armenians along with other neighbors tried to get rid of the turkish nation by attacking Turkey I loved how the guy was annoyed after the 3dr chall when he rolled his eyes i was laughing my a** off I thought hat it was rude that he didn't answer nearly most of the questions realted to the ARmenian genocide. He also didn't tell the truth about the Genocide being number of reasons of EU's of turkey. One thing that i notieced is that Turkey doesn't fully deny teh genocide like it used to. I guess they came to realize that they can't and won't escape the past and sooner or later they will recognize it for their own good.

Did any of you guys watch Turkey: Religion, Society and Politics on C-Span today @ 6pm?

and why did you hope for something like that to happen?

MosJan, jokumes baits hagarag asuma "russahay" lezun vor masner russakan asatsit chem jokum

"TURKEY REALLY WAS GOING TO ATTACK ARMENIA IN AUTUMNN 1993", FORMER HEAD OF STATE DEPARTMENT OF NATIONAL SECURITY, MAYOR GENERAL EDUARD SIMONIANTS SAYS YEREVAN, September 23 (Noyan Tapan). The other day, in the Armenian press, with an allusion to Greek Ambassador to Armenia, Leonidas Chrisantopulos, who occupied the position in 1993-4, a sensational message appeared: Turkey intended to attack Armenia in October 1993. Alluding to the reconnaissance data he had received from the French Ambassador to Armenia and verified by US Ambassador to Armenia Harry Gilmore, the Greek diplomat stated the Armenian authorities were well informed about the possible provocation - the impending intrusion into Armenia. The RA National Security Council put the army on high alert. With the request to comment on that statement, NT correspondent Susanna Petrosyan turned to Mayor-General Eduard Simoniants who was the head of the State department of the RA National Security in 1993-4. NT: To what degree does the statment of former Greek Ambassador to Armenia Chrisantopulos corresponds the real state of things? E.S. Turkey, really, was going to attack Armenia in autumn 1993. Moreover, it was not the only case: for several years, several times, there was the peril of a possible invasion of the Turkish army, including the episode mentioned by the Greek ambassador. I can doubtlessly state that the information about the intrusion of the Turkish army into the Armenian territory reached us not only through diplomatic sources. In accordance with the Security Council's decision, really, corresponding measures were taken. According to the president, the NS chief advisor of the apparatus, all possible resources were activated, including military, political and diplomatic. As is known, the intrusion itself did not take place. Real threats took place, the Turkish army was redislocated along the frontier shared with Armenia, field head quarters were set ready, the army was fully organized and equipped with technics and arms. The reality of the threat of intrusion was extremely high. I do not want to talk immediately about the terms, but the perils of the kind were more than once in 1993, including the autumn period, about which the ambassador speaks. NT: How was the threat eliminated? E.S.: I repeat, the Turkish army was redislocated along the frontier: all the regulation points were activated. The threat was the most real. In respect to the methods we indertook for practically neutralizing the threat, I think, it is not time to make it public yet. I have no right. The Turkish factor, as such, played quite an essential role in the events taking place in 1993. I mean both the Artsax war and lots of political and diplomatic demarches undertaken by different states, as well as the negotiations on settling any possible contacts, including Turkey, and on the other hand, these are events that resulted in coldness oif the realtions etc. In this context, the immediate threat of Turkey's military interference in the events in the region, especially in Artsax, was high. Turkey actively prepared for the interference in the Artsax issue, the military way of solution - not excluded. Let alone Turkey's constant help to Azerbaijan with arms, instructors and so on; well it, in a way, goes without saying, and is background phenomenon. But the thing is that it was, in their opinion, not sufficient and they were getting ready for real intrusion. NT: To what degree is the threat of Turkey's intrusion into Armenia real nowadays? Is it today as strong as in 1993? E.S.: No. From the viewpoint of threat, the Turkish intrusion today is incomparably less real than it was in 1992-3. But, in fact, it is not excluded. The events may unfol in the most unxpected way, and such conditions may come up when the temptation for Turkey will sufficiently high, and the general event chain will highly contribute to making a decision of that kind. That's why, to say that the threat is 100% excluded, would be a lie, but today, the probability of their invasion is low enough. NT: What is it connected with that they came to evaluate the situation more really? E.S. Not only with this. The matter is that it is not at all useful for Turkey to indulge in any military conflicts, moreover, they are urged to by the US. This is both a participation in terroristic acts and the possible intrusion into Iraq and so on and so forth. So in this concern, it would be an extreme luxury for Turkey to commence another conflict. I think it is alone quite sufficient fir us to talk about low probability of conflict today with Turkey's participation in the territory of Armenia and Artsax. It is today unreal.

Armenians in southern Russia come under attack - Armenian news agency Arminfo, Yerevan 16 Sep 02 Krasnodar Anti-Armenian pogroms have begun again in Kuban southern Russia . In the evening of 14 September in the town of Slavyansk-na-Kubani riots took place directed against the local Armenian population, Arminfo news agency learnt from the newspaper Yerkramas, published in the south of Russia. According to the local inhabitants of the town, that evening a crowd of 15 to 16-year-old teenagers, 300 in all amongst whom adults were also seen, walked down the streets of the town where various establishments, shops, cafes, etc. belonging to Armenians, are located. The crowd threw stones at these establishments and beat Armenians whom they came across. The Armenian church, which opened recently in Slavyansk-na-Kubani, was not damaged, as the local Armenians immediately took up defence of the church. According to the same sources, the town police had been sent to the town of Anapa for unknown reasons. There is information that injured Armenians had to go to medical centres and their number is being clarified. The situation in the town stabilized on 15 September and is controlled by reinforced police units.

Es Jhudner@ erevuma vat dzevi habrgelen arden. I just don't understand who gives them the right to destroy or take over churches that do not even belong to them.

HellenicForum.com September 11, 2002 Destruction of Greek Orthodox Church in Palestine by Israeli Troops Places of worship, it seems, are not immune from destruction in the course of such defense, as Israeli troops showed when they dynamited a historic Greek Orthodox church in the village of Abboud, north-west of Ramallah this week. The Palestinian Authority (PA) criticized the destruction of the church, while the Christian community in Palestine called on Christians around the world to protest "this nefarious sacrilege and aggression on Christian holy places". "If a Jewish synagogue had been destroyed, the Jews would have raised hell about anti-Semitism and Nazism and so on, but when Israeli troops destroy Christian churches and Muslims mosques, the world is silent," said Toni Abboudi, a Greek Orthodox man from the village.

ARMENIA MAY CONVINCE ISRAEL TO WITHDRAW ITS TROOPS FROM ARMENIAN CHURCH LANDS IN JERUSALEM Arminfo 9 Sept 2002 YEREVAN The diplomatic and other efforts of Armenia to persuade Israel into withdrawing its troops from the lands of the Jerusalem Patriarchy of the Armenian Apostolic Church and into abandoning the idea of building a protection wall there must have had their effect. According to the Armenian foreign minister, Vartan Oskanyan, Israel is ready to reconsider its decision, but he does not know yet when and how. In any case Israel has already stopped the construction. Oskanyan stressed the need to continue the efforts. To remind, the lands were seized in June 2002. Israel said it was going to erect a wall there to protect itself from Palestine. Representatives of many Christian denominations, including the Pontiff himself, expressed their protest against those activities

Thanx

My Political Science prof asked me to write 5 page paper about the ARmenian Genocide. Do you guys know any good web sites that has to do more with the politics of the armenian genocide rather than the history???

Hovsep, Which Arabic news sites have news in english? I've been trying to find good Arabic news sites, but the ones that I found are all in Arabic.

What if other countries start taking sides and join the war. How sure are you that Saddam's missles can't reach the US? Wasn't he buying Soviet scientists so that they can work for him? I don't think that there's any reason for the US to attack Iraq. The reasons the media and the government give us for attacking Saddam is completely BS. I think it's all about the oil, the US control in the region and what the jews want. I think that when the US set up a military base in Georgia it was not because of the chechen and al-qaida terrorists nor it was about attacking Iraq from that region. The US was just trying to have an access in the Caucasus region.

Can anyone tell me the whole polint of getting married? I'm sure that it's not for the romance, partnership and sex , like one of you mentioned above, because you can get them all without even being married. I also don't think that you get married to ahve children, since you don't have to get married to be ably to ahev kids, accidents happen. So what's the whole point of getting married, what do u get from being married? In my opinion, i think that some people are afraid of getting old alone, so they want somebody to grow old with. In other words, they don't want to die alone.

uremn es Noy@ ira tapani mech lik@ kendania ltsnum. Amen mekits zuig. Zuig, shun, zuig katu ev ailn. Urmen 40 orits heto Noy@ Araratina motenum u miat agrava uxarkum, es agrav@ heto veradarnuma, es Noy@ heto miatel spitak axavnia uxarkum, u es axavnin beran@ miat jhux drats galisa. mekel es NOy@ tesnuma Hayer@ hervits gorumen "Txerk tsirk@ ekav!" Uremn es Abarantsun Zangumen Cellphoni vra u asen, "Valod shut tun ari, KNikt davachanuma" es abarantsinel te Vonts teeli, u arag kataxats kshuma heto vopshim avariai taka @ngnum u heto hivandanotsen tanum. Heto ira enger@ galisa asuma, "eh et inchi tents avariai tak engar," enel asuma "to zangin asin vor Valod te knikt davachanuma shut ari tun" en engernel asuma "to eshi gliux, ko anun@ arajin@ Valod chi, erkrordnel du knik chunes" ES Abarantsin gtser@ poxuma Freeway- i vra u gnum gnum engnuma dzor@, heto hartsnumen te inchi tents gnats gnats u ink iran gtsets dzor@, enel asuma te margatel@ cher anjatvum pchatseler.

Thanx a lot guys. I don't live in LA, but i was thinking about going to UCLA library for more research. IN my Art History class we're covering the Renaissance period through the Moder times. Armenian art or architecture isn't even mentioned in the text book, since it's we mostly cover the western european art. I asked my instructor if that's ok with him if I write about Armenian Architecture, he said yes and that he'd love to read it. Alpha, My father also has a lot of books on Armenian art and artchitecture, but they're all in Yerevan. I'll check the Glendale Library also. Thanx

I'm writing a research paper on Armenian Architecture for my Art History class but there isn't enough info about it on the web. Does any of you know any websites related to Armenian arts and architecture????

Azat, I don't think that you're nuts because I also do not want to get married and have kids. Too much headache. I think that marriage isn't for everyone.

Do you know the exact website of the article and the picture?

Gone mer banak@ irants banaki pes muratskan chi Wanted: philanthropists to pay for Azerbaijan army Agence France Presse August 20, 2002 BAKU, Aug 20 -- The former Soviet republic of Azerbaijan is resorting to charity to help fund its cash-strapped armed forces, local media reported Tuesday quoting government officials. President Heidar Aliyev has ordered the creation of a charitable fund to receive contributions from patriotic-minded philanthropists and channel the cash to the military, according to the Ekho newspaper. "We will collect revenues from all benefactors who want to contribute. With the help of this fund we will strengthen our armed forces," the paper quoted Ramiz Melikov, head of the defense ministry's press office, as saying. The spokesman said there was nothing unusual about seeking charitable contributions to help cover the military's expenses, saying it was already common practice in other countries. There are frequent reports in the local media of conscripts in Azerbaijan's armed forces succumbing to illness because they do not have enough food and are badly equipped. The state of Azerbaijan's military is a sensitive subject. Though observing a cease-fire, the country is still formally at war with its neighbour Armenia over the disputed enclave of Nagorno-Artsax.

Isk, orinak vat cher lini ete Hayastanum hatuk orenk hanein vor Axchikner@ nuinpes banakum partavoren tsaraielu. ES chem asum vor axchikner@ anein nuin@ inch txanernen anum banakum, baits gone mi dzevi axchiknernel patrastven. ES shat kuzenai hayastanum banakum tsarael, ev ete petka krvei, kani vor ete es kam mus@ che el ov piti ergir@ pashtpani. Indz tvume vor te txa te axchik partavoren hayastani banakum tsaraiel. Himael vor shat mardik heranumen hayastanits, indz tvuma vor bolornen partavor tsarael, te txa te axchk, vortev Hayastani apagan kaxvatsa meznits, bolor hayerits. Hayer@ piti miaxmbven u mtatsen te vonts es iravichakits durs gal, kani shuta. Menk orenkov piti role model lineink mer harevanneri hamar, baits de role model lineluts menk hl@ shat heruenk, ev hl@ hartsa klinenk te chenk lini mi or. Es uzumem havatal vor klinenk, kani vor Hima Hayastan@ der antsumain shrjanume gtnvum, ev ete menk xelok sksenk varvel, uremn hayastan@ kkaroxanank tsaxkatsnel. Menk haziv ankaxutunenk statsel ev unenk mer arandzin ergir@ vortex aprumenk miain menk, hamozvatsem vor mer anxniner@ kerazein unenal ain inch statselenk menk aisor, dra hamar kani shuta piti tsaxkatsnenk hayastan@ voch miain mer hamar, ail hetaga hayeri hamar vorornk patmutian grkeri mech aisorva masin kkardan. Ainpes anenk vor aisor chlini vonts ain txur u dajan haykakan patmutian ejerits mek@.

Rubo, i updated my profile so you can send me a private message. thanx