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Azat was meant as sarcasm, since Armenia does not give out citizenship to Armenians outside of Armenia. Yes I think that there is a possibility of same thing happening in LA or any other places where Armenians have made home and prospered. Perhaps they will go somewhere, leaving behind the extinct monumental marks, like a tree quietly separating from its colorful leaves when cool autumn wind starts breathing.

oops i posted the same thing too Azat in the church section. so were would all the Armenians from LA go back to Armenia? apply for a blue card maybe.

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quote:Originally posted by MosJan:not enugh we nned more BMW just Released the new 8 Class car – every PuZat in Erevan most have atlist one – And most of all the new 4 door Porsche / haw can we not have 50 in Erevan / this money is not enough - we need more !!! no no sorry we demand more !!! hahaha MosJan maybe they already bought it..u know blak market. Azat how come Georgia is getting more money is it because of their current situation?

quote:Originally posted by Sip:But in all seriousness, it's very sad to hear of such a loss. Not only the human lives, but also the fact that the shuttle is by far the most complex "object" ever engineered by humans up to now. I am sure future generations will look back in amazement at this awesome human achievement, much like we admire the pyramids of the ancient egyptians. Sip I think in the future we will see more sophisticated flying objects. “ and they will even reach the stars”

I watched this story on BBC and though to share it with everyone. The mission of Dhaka's last Armenian The church is a quiet haven in the noisy metropolis Alastair Lawson BBC Bangladesh correspondent Once a thriving community in South Asia, the number of Armenians has dwindled to such an extent that in the Bangladeshi capital Dhaka only one man remains. He is known by his Anglicised name of Michael Joseph Martin. Whatever happens, I'm determined not to let this church go to rack and ruin Michael Joseph Martin When Mr Martin, 73, dies, it will not only mark the end of an era, but will throw into doubt the future of one of Dhaka's most beautiful churches. Nestling in one of the busiest parts of Old Dhaka, Armenian Street used to be a thriving business area, but its Armenian community has vanished. Little evidence remains of its presence, even though centuries ago Armenians were at the heart of Bengal's jute and leather trade. Chronicle But one prominent Armenian landmark does remain. It is an 18th century church, described by visitors who explore it as a haven amid the traffic chaos and crowded streets outside. Yet its future is uncertain. The caretaker Mr Martin, whose Armenian name is Mikel Housep Martirossian, lovingly preserves the building against the ravages of the weather and pollution. Mr Martin tends the tombstones that chronicle Armenian life He keeps the centuries-old births, deaths and marriages register and looks after the ancient tombstones that chronicle the history of the Armenian community in Bengal. But when Mr Martin dies, there will be no more Armenians to look after the church. ''Whatever happens I'm determined not to let this church go to rack and ruin,'' he says. ''I may be the last resident Armenian in Bangladesh, but I will do everything in my power to ensure that an Armenian from abroad takes over the job I have been doing. Otherwise centuries of tradition will be disappear overnight.'' Pirate deaths The church's graveyard is like a giant history book, chronicling the history of the Armenian people in the region. Mr Martin tries to counter the ravages of weather and pollution Armenians - like Bengalis - are renowned for their love of trading. They are believed to have arrived in the region in the 12th century. ''This person died on the high seas, they were killed by pirates," says Mr Martin, pointing at two gravestones that carry carvings of a skull and crossbones. ''They were Armenians and their bodies were brought and buried over here in 1783.'' Pointing at another gravestone he says: ''This man's father married into the British royal family, and he did the same thing. They had money and power, and were also the biggest jute merchants in the country. ''But that couldn't stop their children from dying of diphtheria. In the 18th century even minor royals couldn't save the lives of the children.'' Busy location The interior of the church is looking a little the worse for wear after numerous robberies, but the central attractions - portraits of the Crucifixion and the Last Supper - remain. They are believed to have been done by a prominent European artist. I may be the last resident Armenian in Bangladesh, but I will do everything in my power to ensure an Armenian from abroad takes over the job Michael Martin The church may be rooted in history, but it is located in one of the busiest parts of the city. Roads nearby are so crowded that services cannot be held during the working week because the multi-denominational expatriate congregation would never get there on time. But even if it is no longer possible to hold regular services, Mr Martin says the future of this valuable piece of history will be secured. Until someone is found among the Armenian community abroad, he says he will carry on as caretaker. ''While most Armenians have left Bangladesh, as the last to remain it's my mission in life to make sure this relic from a bygone age will not be allowed to disappear." http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/2645617.stm

Azat and Hyebruin ok anothe joke question: Why men become smarter when having sex? Answer: Because they are plugged into a woman

quote:Originally posted by Arpa:Pleeeeez!!! In case you need a translation the argument was not so much about the value of Aavarayr but the way it is portrayed as a religious war, a war to preserve the "faith" rather than defend the country. That is the problem some of us have with the way it is presented. Barpetzi has a much better account of the events than Yeghishe who does not deny the fact that he was commissioned by the Church. Whoever you are, please don't pollute the air and in doing so dilute the value of Sardarapat. Some time ago Sardarapat was discussed at length, I was one of the contributors. I cannot locate that thread, maybe our moderators can repost them so we can proceed where we left off. Hey Seap! Be quiet! No cracks about Mcdonald Arches and Taco Bells Suffice it to say that Aavarair was a chakatamart while Saradapat a herosamart. Please do not compare the two and in doing so malign the heroes of the latter. They were heroes, not martyrs, they fought for the country not for that elusive faith of yours. The leader(s) did not die in vain as Vardan the romantic fool, the nokhaz, the esh nahatak for the Nakharars and the Church, who sacrificed himself leaving his soldiers and his people in panic and disarray and at the mercy of the Persin butchers. Another little known fact is that Avarayr was chakatamart, a battle and not the whole war. A battle is part of a war, cahakatamart@ paterazmin mi bazhinn e voch the amboghjutyun@. The battle may have been lost but the war went on. This leads us to the next subject topic that I had intended to write about anyway. Read the next post titled "Nvarsak". Ungeraguyn, Geratuyn Arpa.Inz anznakan vatabanelud hamar mi hat Rusakan asacvack ka. “Sam Igraet, Sam Tancuet, Sam Payot” (plays himself, dances himself, sings himself) you create your own arguments, defend them, “translate” them in your own ways. Heto el uzum es vor bolor@ zurna trnigi tan. Whoever I am? who are you? A possessed from the movie “exorcist”? Because any mention of Faith and God your head starts spinning around faster and faster toxidizing everything. There is no difference between Men of Avarayr, Sardarapt or Arcakh but this is hard to comprehend for someone with your caliber

quote:Originally posted by MosJan:By Arpa - yete moet@t lineyi Jakat@t k@hampyureyi !!! Lseq !!! Menq Hye enq - yev kariq chunenq hamematvelu / mrtselu / kam @endunenq n@ranst vorpes chapanish. Haskatseq vor menq urish enq !!! / yev mer@ urish e !!!/ te mer Dard@ te mer tsav@ te mer xind@ urish e - menq tarber enq amen inchov. mer verq@ menak menq karorr enq darmanel. jishte ognutyan kariq unenq shaterits / sakayn menq menq enq irenq el irenq - enpes vor toreq irents iranst ter@ - menq el tor menanq mer terrerum - inchpes kanq - mer dard u tsavov - mer xind u parov !!! MOvses Movses, es hamazayn em bolor ko khoskeri het. ugaki inz misht zarmanali e vor hayer@ amen patchar gtnum en vor irenc kcen.KHORENACIN SUT EN HANUM!!!!! AVARAIRI KRIV@ PUST EN ANUM! Parze hamematutyun chka hreaneri ev hayeri patmutyan mej baic miayn ayn vor hayeri pes irenk el en crvac ambokch ashkarhov aydteg e verjanum hamematutyun@, vorovhetyev hreaner@ tarbervum en irenc varvelakerpov; depi irar nkatmamb. They analyze, criticize, nullify Armenian History. Avarair? How about Sardarapat I am sure if I listen to MJ and Arpa they will find that it was a mistake too after all the Armenian government was short lived even though we won in Sardarapat. I want to understand why Armenia joined Bolsheviks. What it was their fancy to join, they liked to masquerade around with red star on their hats? Or that Lenin promised Armenians what was failed by Western Allies with Treaty of Serves also Armenian question dating back in 1878 Berlin were Armenian issue was raised by Tsarist Russia and the West. But I am sure they will say this is not true; let me check what is written in the Turkish websites. Yes we can not compare ourselves to Jews because in nature we are peaceful, we are too honest, we are creative, we are too patriotic, we boast too much, we have created bread from the stones, Armenia has given more artists, scientists, heros per square inch and we don’t dig our enemy’s grave we dig each others grave. Jews? Well they stirred the whole world around after all this whole Terrorism and War situation in the world started from the Palestinian and Israeli issue.

quote:Originally posted by MJ:Dear 564312, Off the top of my head, I can think of few exercises which may strengthen the endurance of your fingers... (just kidding). tell me this exercises might help my Arthritis Now that you have listed the majority of the US population in your previous message, I have no arguments left. I didn't All I want to say is that you can not ignore the fact that Jews in America have power more then others. Also, where else can I refer you to so that you get familiarized with the fact before you talk about them if you refuse to read the Armenian and Russian sources? I am not sure what facts you want to familiarize me with but are you saying that there was no such thing? You also wrote that I should read this facts of yours in the Turkish website.. strange..anyways do proceed with your new Armenian History findings. Very interesting.

QUOTE]Originally posted by MJ: 564312, 1. Your allegation of Jews owning America or corporate America means that you have never been in corporate America nor you know a lot about America, in general; rightttt.... If I started typing all the Jews in American Government and corporation my fingers will start falling. Hmmmmmm.. let me see if i can recall few names. Alan Greenspan - Federal Reserve Chairman Gerald Levin – AOL time Warner second in command? Ruth Bader Ginsburg – one of the top decision maker in Bush administration Senator Joseph Lieberman Ari Fleischer – Press secretary Michael Bloomberg – media mogul worth about $4 billion seats on the board of Metropolitan Museum of Art to the Police & Fire Widows Steve Ballmer – chief executive Microsoft 13th richest person in the world Brad Turell – incharge of the top communications slots such as TBS, CNN, TNT Mortimer Zuckerman – owns U.S. News & World Report and the New York Daily News as well real estate and media Daniel Goldin – Head of NASA Calvin Klein – Fashion designer I can start naming all the actors in Hollywood starting from Jerry Springer and finishing with Steven Spilberg. But don’t take my words for it. You can find those names in any Jewish hole of fame. 2. Your persistent allegation on the subject of the conditionality of our lands to Turkey by Russia are totally baseless. If you read French or Turkish, you can read the relevant treaties (two treaties) of 1921 at the Web Site of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Turkey. Perhaps some version can be also found in Russian sources. Additionally, the text of both treaties is widely available also in Armenian literature. ok let me go to the Ministery of Foreign Affairs of TURKEY to find out the REAL facts. Cannot comment on the rest of your statements now, and I am not sure who they are addressed either. Replying to responses addressed to me MJ.

quote:Originally posted by Azat: quote:Originally posted by 564312:Azat did you see the Prime Time show about the **** industry? Absolutely sickening. To what disgusting length humans go to satisfy their sickening urges. No I did not. It must be sweeps week for news to have another story on the Adult industry. Did they have anything interesting? New revelations or the same old stuff. What was it that you considered sickening? Was the show about child **** or some sick thing? Well they exposed same thing that you mentioned, that big corporations are behind the industry and that girls get paid nothing. Companies like GM and the hotels like Marriott. They followed a girl for 2 years from the start she's done 200 movies in 2 years? I don’t want to get into details but it was very graphic the girl is with 10 prison men very sadistic, a woman doing it for a record. Like animals. No worse I don’t understand how can someone get off from that but they do.. millions of them. It’s the culture now. Who needs Voltier. Eat, **** go to toilet.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA LOL HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAA That was funny. Nairi jan, unfortunately you are wrong about that industry. Majority of the big players in that industry are men. Just look who owns most of the big adult studios and magazines. By the way, do you know who is the biggest money maker in the Adult industry? It use to be AT&T when they owned Cablevision until about 2-3 months ago, but I am not sure who it is now since the split. I am sure AT&T is still up there with phone sex stuff that they have but probably is not number one. It is a very interesting industry with MANY interesting characters.[/QB] Azat did you see the Prime Time show about the **** industry? Absolutely sickening. To what disgusting length humans go to satisfy their sickening urges.

Tvum e inz vor duk bacarzakapes herkum ek angam amenapokrik patmakan nshuyl@.Khndrum em nerkayacrek zer nor sahmanadrvac paster@. “Who told you that? I hate to make this comparison but the Jews are their own worst enemies. Another reason why we must not use them as models.” Yes they are lyers still incredible to comprehend how they succeeded in owning US government and corporate America. (is this untrue conspiracy too?) I don’t think this phenomena could have been achieved by Irish, Italians, Africans or Hispanics.It is an art. Jews have their faults the greater one being that they persecuted and even this day hate Jesus, they did say your blood is on us and on our children and it was! I exemplified Jews because there is a similarity with Armenians in a sense that they like us are scattered all over the world but they do support each other more then Armenians do and that is their success. “No, the great uncle of his great uncle told him after he had had one too many bazhaks after his obligatory khash of course. Who creates these myths you aked? Oppressed people are the biggest mythifiers. The irony of it is that they end up believing it themselves as if written by those idiots who wrote the gospels..” Please don’t get personal, do no assume that I am a he. And don’t assume that history was passed to me over khash. According to you the whole Armenian history is oppressed. There is nothing good, nothing true. Why why why why why why why why why why why why why! Are you preaching a new religion? Are you proclaiming a new revolution then tell me what is the salvation of Armenia? You are blaming all on Khorenacis, Lusavorich..what about Tigran Mec. Does not matter whom we blame, Bible, History or even the lyrics of Terian the fundaments start from our families! MJ what about Ukraine given same time to Germania and was later returned back to Ukrainians. Russia gave the lands to Turks conditionally. There are many reasons why it was not returned back to us. That Bolsheviks did not want to fight something that was established before their rule and it was becoming very costly, that Lenin was a Tatar and did not care for Armenia, that Armenia did not press hard for the issue.... I don’t have factual papers to prove but this is a known fact. If you have anything that disproves this please let me know.

Khoski orinak 10@ hogi npatakdrvel en tund mtnelu ev spanelu kez ev ko @ntanik@. Harevaner chkan vor ognutyan hasnen. Du zenk chunes. Inch es anelu? We analyze Avaryr, thousand years from now others will analyze Arcakhi kriv@. Why? will change its perspective. because even now if it its profitable to the officials they will give away Arcakh in a second and who will remember all the men who dyed for Arcakh. "Ays erkren, ays hoghen..." "From this land, from this soil no one can shake us..." That is exactly what the Heroes of Artsakh said and surprise, surprise they are still living on those lands and that soil. “ Shows their belief and conviction if they had no faith in what they were fighting for why were they fighting? “Can we say that about us? What land are we living in? Granted, you may say that you have kept the "havatq". How many lumas has anybody given you for your havatq? Even today, the majority of the world is against us and siding with Baku and Ankara, even the Christian world. Surprise? Have you heard of the saying :"Por chi kshtatsner"? Havatq is something that one can take along wherever one goes. "Pick up your cross and follow" said Jesus. I wish we had never known the "cross" (you may want to look up the dictionary to learn the implications of that word). How about the land and soil? We have the "havatq", at least some of us do? Where is the land and soil? Some may even claim that the "havatq" has kept us as Armenians. That is a matter of debate. Ask ten people and nine of them will find that you and I lack the necessary givens to pass the test of Armenianness. But that is another subject.” How big is Armenia or what does Armenia offer to the world? Faith in God has nothing to do with Armenia’s misfortunes there are nations with faiths, why are they not suffering such consequences? If nothing else, true faith in God has helped many in hard times. We are in the place we are, because we have NO FAITH, AND we still from our own pockets. For 70 years Armenia had no faith, why didn’t they ask Lenin to give back our lands? it was given to Turks conditionally. Menk chenk krvum urishneri het bayc irar por enk tapum.. che che havatk@ chi patchar@...

MJ thats what I know and learned I don't have any evidence with me right now. Arpa ya jews are bad..but they are not bad to each other. yah they got the whole world in their hands and whatever they are they stick together and don't dig each others graves like we do. the Iraqi situation not only Jews but Bushes agenda from the start. Funy thing is the terrorists were all Saudis how come they don't go there? were did Bin Ladens name disapear? I have to go now..

MJ Hogher@ trvel ein turkerin jamanakavor, on the condition of returning them back to Armenians. ”That is the main question. Inchu zenk chunes?” Arpa Because a peaceful person does not stack up on firearms, then I guess he is stack if the above misfortune happens. What can he do? Say take few gallons of boiling water and throw it on the approaching mob? Funny “We claim to be one of oldest nations of the world. Today we are the most backward. Interpret that any way you want. What is the reason? When we were a mighty nationthe world had not heard of the Turk. Compare today. What did we do? Or better yet, what did we not do?” I already said the reason. We don’t know our profit like Jews do. We don’t help each other like Jews do or like any other nations for that matter. Assyria was oldest too, they have disappeared, nations come and nations go it’s unending circle. One day US of A won’t be as powerful as they are now and they will too sulk over it for many, many, many years and find reasons why. “Why does faith and belief has to be interpreted in a religious and theological sense?” Because the source of faith that they had comes from God. “Faith in their muscle and power” I thought the enemy outnumbered with power and muscle. “And please respond only after you have read every word.” You remind me of my pedagogues “How big is Armenia or what does Armenia offer to the world? You tell us. Why?” NOTHING! “Neither Lenin nor the Wilson administration were willing to commit troops to protect Armenia” That may be the case, but it seems to me that Armenia simply did not ask the lands back just because in their mind they thought they were sucking up to communism. I will give you this example, which is a true story and of Armenian character. Armenian girl writes university examination in Yerevan this is in 1960s, examiners were previously slightly bribed by the girls parents. The teachers ask the girl “inch tvanshan es uzum vor kez dnenk 3 te 5?” “ 3 drek meka ancel em” And She was failed. “Havatqi masin es khosum? Vor havatqi masin es khosum? Havatq inch bani mej?” Havatk Astcu mej this faith, the ture faith also gives, brings out the stability and strength in the human. If this faith is not present then doubth and mustrust gets the best of the situation..call it water they say psycic or hormonal brain functions Bstrankner..I see it coming from Holy Trinity..ok the steam is rising from your ears (just kidding) I don’t take your writing as hateful, at least it seems you do care about Armenia. But I hope those are not just word. I hope you can go and shout those words in the ears of all the officials over there. And lastly if Khorenaci and the rest were fakes. Then who was real? We don’t have even one true factual historian? Then our whole culture everything that Armenia is represented and stands for is a lye. Well our future is pretty deem already.

haha Nairi If harut sees me he might have a heart attack boooooo

Armenianess? Then why so many Armenians don’t speak Armenian and so many Non-Armenians want to learn Armenian?

shnhakal..shnhakal em nairi jan. i am turning 103 years old by the way.

quote:Originally posted by Azat: quote:Originally posted by 564312:Hyebruin most armenian men cheat. Who told you that? BTW: Happy Birthday. I know that. Thanks Azat but its not my birthday.

Thanks MJ and Thothy

quote:Originally posted by hyebruin:AAAhhh, it's too bad we don't have more women in here who would help me out with this one!!! While 'making love' does NOT have sexual connotations to it...I AM referring to IT!...it certainly is not the only way to get closer to God...but it is a most profoundly strong way to do so! We can feel and know God in all things that we do...good and bad...hopefully we'll learn from the bad and won't repeat it! But, the making love category is a special one...because life itself is created and with that comes the invitation of a timeless soul into human form...hopefully to bring more light, love and kindness into the world Yes Hyebruin Women do feel certain spiritual connection, it’s more like tenderness, maternal, conceiving, beginning of life and this instinct brings closeness with God. But I am sure this is not felt all the time. Humans **** more like wild animal.

quote:Originally posted by hyebruin:Recently, I was watching MSNBC's coverage of the dating life of married people!!?? smilies/shocked.gif I could not believe these people!!! It's like they were cheating on one another, TOGETHER,...oh yeah! let's not forget "the rules!" here: when they go out to meet others...they would have to stay in the same room, and make sure that one's husband or wife likes the other couple as well...it was GROSS! they were emphasizing how they were having sex NEXT to one another, and that they did not switch partners...how virtuous! Worst part though...was that they went on family trips with their kids!! I don't know what else to say! these people "seemed articulate/educated..." ---any fool who knows how to "talk/articulate well" can 'justify' their actions...they claim it took the pressure off of cheating...uhhhh, yeah, duh! you get to mess around and go out, what else constitutes cheating? they claim they are EMOTTIONALLY committed, just not physically! smilies/rolleyes.gif smilies/lol.gif I don't know what this world is coming to... smilies/confused.gif I'm just curious to see how all this openness fares within armenians...definitely, NOT implying that armenians do not cheat behind closed doors! Hyebruin most armenian men cheat.I wonder why we really want to know the nasty details of some strangers sexual preferences or their dating habits imposed on us on TV..ohh no its tooo addicting I can't turn it off...must fight the forse...that giant with his harem joe millionaire.

quote:Originally posted by SAS: quote:Originally posted by 564312:Apres Sasun.. Lav targmanel es. Aveli lav erg e kanc te "when I was seventween" Hing-Vec-Chors-Yereq-Mek-Yekus, nax` voch te Sasun, ayl SAS, yerkrord@` yes chem targmanel, ayl Samvel Gasparyan@( verevum ayd masin nshvats er ): I verjo`... "apres"-i hamar hamenayn deps shnorhakalutyun: S-A-Ssorry. Shat computer programner u eger em bacum miangamic achkers shash u besh en anum.