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I agree with MJ I myself am against any war but it was inevitable, the beast was attacked. And it is comical to see this world’s upheaval against this war. Where were the objections in the Chechen war or when Russians lazered away Japanese wanting to take part of Russian land and so many other wars. It is more anti-Americanism then anything else.

quote:Originally posted by Sip: What is so special about the children that makes them so damn important next to their adult counterparts? Sip it’s a CHILDREN’S CONSPIRACY We can’t ration the human system as to which category is more contributive to the society because just as many of us think a grown human is more imperative others disagree. Ideally speaking children represent the symbol of something pure and innocent their eyes hungry to the newness of the world, their little brains inquisitively unquenching. If nourished they offer more potential. I want to quote you Dostoyevsky, “You are told a lot about your education, but some beautiful, sacred memory, preserved since childhood, is perhaps the best education of all. If a man carries many such memories into life with him, he is saved for the rest of his days. And even if only one good memory is left in our hearts, it may also be the instrument of our salvation one day." I agree with Domino that equality can never be achieved completely as long as there are humans on earth I think Camus said that more and more, when faced with the world of men, the only reaction is one of individualism. Man alone is an end unto himself. Everything one tries to do for the common good ends in failure.

menk hayers el enkan spitak enk vor..vonc vor zyun...hima el nstac guyneri kongres enk anum. asa sirt@ mardu makur u spitak lini voch te sev sat.

dl ur comments are so distasteful with so much interested antagonism towards blacks..WHY if we have to generalize…first look at yourself mr. K-K-K you are dark, midget and your back is covered with hair up to your neck.

this actors are just pissed because Bush is not inviting them over to the white house for political advise like Clinton did.

sen I think not only you but also many Armenians are tired of new changes, they happened many time but nothing has changed. I don’t know much about the young Demerchyan but his father had the stamina, character and was a good businessman not much can be said for the current president the turk.

quote:Originally posted by Sip: quote:Originally posted by FLAMENCO:... Armenians, if you continue like this, you won't even exist in 60 years. We will extinct. Or we will be a much superior race who can run and jump, play basketball as well as chess, and also have huge "lists". By the way, that's the term we use around here to refer to that male member just to keep the conversations a bit clean. Welcome aboard by the way lol Sip you are funny. Flamenco with such a name I am suprised you are so racist. Is it that epidemic Armenian women dating black men?

I have a comment. Khoramank agves turker i spit on them.... thuu

nairi i never heard about kookoo where is it from originally is it like tapakac spanakh with eggs? Bass chamichov plaf is rice with rasins...Rich Butter Drenched Raisinsm Light and Eary Rice. This is the side dish the main dish is Siga or Ishkhan (Armenian Fish) Filled with aromatic herbs and citrus, steamed or BBQ'd. bon apetit

can someone tell me why we eat chamichov plav with fish on Easter?..mmmm fishhh

noo problemo Stormy Seaphan.. but ofkohgss

or he ardently wants to phrase blacks

He is confused then

Stormy you are blowing to the wrong direction. I was just wondering. Just like you I am against war in Iraq. When Bush Administration calls me I will make sure to ask about the evidence and will pass the information to you.

I wonder what would have happened if the same terrorists used French people as weapons and blew the Eiffel Tower or blew up Kremlin or Toronto CN Tower. Arden Americayi atamner@ hashvac en.

I agree with Hagarag. Raffi I did not see the movie but I saw him in Oprah and from what he said in the show it sounded very interesting and funny, for example the part where people could get free guns in a certain bank if they signed up for an account. The Japanese population compared to American population and the gun murder rate in both countries; Japan few hundred America 11000? That the percentages of gun murders are higher with white Americans then blacks and how the media escalades a fear in people even when the crime rate is low (actually they teach this in criminology classes)

Arpa sorry about the hijacking to me it is always Ara the Beautiful... Sons of the Sun.

Yes u said it ARR - suspects, what makes you think they are the killers.

I knew Assori families when I lived in Greece (shlonak, shukran, taal I remember those words) one day we were seating with few of the Assyrian women, talking, they started convincing me that in the story of Ara Gegecik and Shamiram it was Ara who fell in love with Shamiram (Shamiram being very beautiful) and took her away then she killed him. I kept looking at the women seating next to me they had incredibly big structures; I said no Ara was beautiful, they said no Shamiram was beautiful.

LINARES, Spain March 7 — On one side, the kid, dressed in black but baby-faced and fidgety. On the other, his opponent: the icy, scowling chess eminence Garry Kasparov. Against all odds, Teimour Radjabov, 15, beat Kasparov, the world's top-ranked player, although the teen did benefit from a Kasparov blunder as the champ looked poised to win. That duel of David and Goliath culminating in Kasparov's failure to shake Radjabov's hand afterward was a highlight of the Linares Chess Tournament, sometimes called the Wimbledon of chess. The venue is an unlikely one this noisy, dusty town of 63,000 in the heart of Spain's olive-growing region. But once a year it plays host to a world-class meeting of minds as a handful of highly focused people almost always young men gather for some quiet warfare. The tournament was founded in 1978 by local supermarket tycoon and chess buff Luis Rentero. By the mid-1980s it had started to lure serious talent and it has managed to uphold that standard. "They always try to get the best in the world," said Yugoslav grandmaster Ljubomir Ljubojevic, "and they succeed." While the World Chess Federation is pushing for new rules to speed up games, Linares sticks to a system in which they can last seven hours. An average game takes about four. Names like Boris Spassky and Anatoly Karpov adorn the tournament's hall of fame, and this is Kasparov's 12th appearance. He's won seven times, but is struggling this year in a field of seven as the two-week competition nears its conclusion on Sunday. The double round-robin unfolds in a hotel reception hall, with three games played simultaneously on an elevated stage. The players are a show unto themselves, frowning, wincing, playing with their hair or tweaking their nose. While waiting for an opponent to move, they often get up and pace like caged animals or go watch somebody else's game. World No. 3, Viswanathan Anand of India, sips tea. Kasparov, a short, broad-chested man who is easily the antsiest of the bunch, gulps coffee. His face and body are a twitching kaleidoscope of energy and emotion. In a poker game he'd probably lose his shirt. The audience is small, maybe 100 people, but organizers say the tournament's Web page gets 40,000 hits a day. Spectators watch in reverent silence. A skillful move draws no oohs or ahs, although you do hear an occasional whisper. Chairs creak and throats clear. A smattering of children dot the room, some clutching miniature chess sets, like mitts at a baseball game. Anand beat Radjabov in the 12th round on Friday. The result moved Anand into a tie for the lead with Classical World Champion Vladimir Kramnik of Russia, who had the bye on Friday. As they converge on Linares each year, the players lug suitcases full of quirks. Kasparov leaves a down pillow in storage at the hotel for use year after year, and celebrates satisfying play by eating grilled shrimp. At his side always his mother Klara. This year Hungary's Peter Leko changed rooms seven times until he found one that felt just right, and several years ago badgered staff to find him an apple tree to meditate under before his games. The only Spaniard in the field, a friendly, soft-spoken 20-year-old, Francisco Vallejo, gets psyched for games by listening to pop music at full blast. And playing in Spain provides no home-board advantage. "It's not like soccer, people don't yell," he said. Permeating it all is language of battle and violence. Bishops attack. Pawns thrust. After a game, the players dissect it in a ritual known as the post-mortem. Most travel with an aide who is half adviser, half bodyguard and called their "second" the title given to pistol-bearers back when men dueled to the death. Radjabov travels with his father, Boris, though this time his mother, Leila, also came along because the tournament was so important. She quivers with pride watching her only child, her baby, try to speak and carry himself like a man. A young life consumed by chess and spent around adults will do that. Radjabov started learning the game at 3, is now ranked 68th in the world and rising fast. He says he admires history's conquerors, like Napoleon, also a chess player, and Alexander the Great. When Radjabov beat Kasparov on Feb. 23 in the second round, it was the veteran's first loss since 1996 while playing white pieces. These move first, giving the player an advantage like a serve in tennis. Leila Radjabov, speaking halting English, groped for a word to describe her elation, then settled for "unbelievable." When her son and Kasparov met for a rematch on Monday, they played to a draw. Again, not bad for the kid. The world is so small that Leila Radjabov went to high school with Kasparov in Baku, capital of the former Soviet republic of Azerbaijan. "Maybe he doesn't remember me," she said. Life for the Radjabovs and other chess families is reduced to a grueling game in which players last longer than tennis stars but tend to peak in their 30s and 40s. Klara Kasparov once told a Spanish interviewer that enjoying life was for others, all she and Garry had was chess. Kasparov has dominated the game for two decades with an aggressive style that shuns settling for a draw. Spanish chess commentators call him "the beast from Baku." But at 39, some say he's starting to lose his edge. Nobody wants to talk about money. Organizers say Linares is more about prestige than cash. The prizes are symbolic and amount to a fraction of the players' appearance fees. And these in turn are pocket change compared to the kind of money Kasparov commands: $750,000 last month for drawing a match against a computer chess program.

Muslim diplomacy besides they think they can join EU. And we know that except Britain most Europe is against war in Iraq.

I wrote before about Armenia/Armenians being mentioned in the Holy Book, I have found more. Jeremiah: 51:27 "Set ye up a standard in the land, blow the trumpet among the nations, prepare the nations against her, call together against her the kingdoms of Ararat, Minni, and Ashkenaz; appoint a captain against her, cause the horses to come u as the rough caterpillars. "Prepare against her the nations with the kings of the Medes, the captain thereof, and all the rulers thereof, an all the land of his dominions." In 538 BC, King Tigran of Armenia contributed to the capture and overthrow of wicked Babylon with his Armenian army. Tigran was a firm friend of the Persian monarch Cyrus, who led the combined Medo-Persian army. The prophet Jeremiah made these summons about a century before the destruction of the Babylonian Empire. In the past Armenia has been connected with the biblical Ashkenaz. The Armenians are termed "the Ashkenazi nation" in their literature. According to this tradition, the genealogy in Genesis 10:3 extended to the populations west of the Volga. In Jewish usage Ashkenaz is sometimes equated with Armenia. In other expositions found in rabbinical works, Armenia is linked with Uz. The anti-Jewish attitudes prevailing in eastern-Byzantine (Armenian) provinces made the Targum identify it with the "daughter of Edom that dwellest in the land of Uz" (Lam. 4:21) or with "Constantina in the land of Armenia" (now Viransehir, between Urfa and Naibin (Nisibis). Hence Job's "land of Uz" is referred to as Armenia in some commentaries, for instance in those of Nahmanides and Joseph b. David ibn Yahya. The "Uz-Armenia" of Abraham Farissol is however now the Anatolian region near Constantinople. Armenia is also sometimes called Amalek in some sources, and Jews often referred to Armenians as Amalekites. This is the Byzantine term for the Armenians. It was adopted by the Jews from the Josippon chronicle (tenth century, ch. 64). Armenia is also identified in literature with the biblical Minni (Pal. Targ., 51:27), based on onomatopoeic exegesis of Armenia = Har ("Mountain") Minni; similarly, Harmon (ha-Harmonah, Amos 4:3) is understood in the Targum to denote the region where the Ten Tribes lived "beyond the mountains of Armenia." Rashi identified Harmon with "the Mountains of Darkness," the term used by medieval Jews for the Caspian mountains. Armenia has further been identified with the biblical Togarmah (Gen. 10:3). Ezekiel: 27:14 "They of the house of Togarmah traded in thy fairs with horses and horses and mules." Amongst other nations and people the Armenians brought horses a mules to the mart of Tyre, located present-day Lebanon. The Armenians were great breeders of horses, fatten and conditioned on the fruitful pastures of their uplands. In those early days, Armenian horses were as famous as the Arabian horses of today. In Armenian tradition this genealogy has competed with the theory of Ashkenazi origins, and extended to the Scythians east of the Volga. The identification of Armenia as Aram (Gen. 10:22; 25:20; 28:5) is adopted by Saadiah Gaon and also occurs in Islamic literature. In the biblical age Armenia was conceived as the mountainous expanse in the north dominating the route from Erez Israel to Mesopotamia (via Haran or its neighborhood) and extending to (and beyond) the boundaries of the known world. The forested heights near the sources of the Euphrates and the Tigris stimulated Jewish commentators to develop geographical concepts concerning this area in regard to Paradise (Gen. 2:8 ff.), the divine "mount of meeting" in the north (Isa. 14:13), the connection of the two (Ezek. 28:13–16), and the rebirth of mankind after the Flood (Gen. 8:4ff.). The name Ararat (Gen. 8:4; II Kings 19:37; Jer. 51:27) recalls the indigenous Armenian kingdom of Urartu, based on Lake Van. Genesis: 8:4 "And the ark rested in the seventh month, on the seventh day of the month upon the mountains of Ararat." Noah's ark did not come to rest on Mount Ararat but on the mountains of Ararat or Armenia. It is very strongly believed that the first five books (Pentateuch) of the Bible were written by Moses and another Moses of Khorene stated in his history that Ararat was the central portion of Armenia. There are other spellings and derivations of the word Ararat: a) Arardhi: The earliest known form as copied from an Assyrian inscription of King Asuurnatsirpal who reigned from BC 883 to 858. Urardhu: as copied from an Assyrian inscription referring to the lands of proto-Armenian King Sarduris II( BC 754 to 727). c) Urartu: Later applied to the regions ruled by a new dynasty of kings who ruled in the Lake Van area but calling those lands Nairi and Biaina. d) Ararat: The Hebrew word for Armenia devoting highlands. Genesis: 5:32 "And Noah was five hundred years old: and Noah begat Shem, Ham, and Japheth. " Japheth was the progenitor of the so-called Caucasian race. This appellation was first initiated by German anthropologists of the 18th century who advanced the theory that the white race originated in the Caucasian area. Genesis: 10:1,2,3 "Now these are the generations of the sons of Noah; Shem, Ham and Japheth: and unto them were sons born after the flood. "The son of Japheth; Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras. "And the sons of Gomer; Ashkenaz, and Riphath, and Togarmah". To continue this genealogy further, Togarmah beget Haik(2), according to the acknowledged critics of the Bible and the traditions of the early Armenian writers. Armenians consider themselves as the House of Togarmah or Torcom and sometimes spelled Thorgom. This is partially confirmed by the discovery of a cuneiform inscription referring to the fortified town of Tilgarimnu near Malatia in ancient Armenia.(3) Another proposition is the view that Togarmah is made up from two words, namely, "take" meaning tribe or race in Sanskrit and Armah (Armenia).4

system jan ko tpeluc erevum e vor du el es rabiz. Bayc urish zevi rabiz es (sophisticated rabiz)

Yes I think Sip that perfection comes with a coast. But the desire for perfection has always been present inside a human. It is; because to create is a human nature. I think that creativity fuels the desire for perfection A work of art that we see as a perfection say by Rubens, Verneer, Davinchi, Caravagio, Durer, Rembrant, Vangog …. is only a perfection in our own eyes because ideally an artist will never be satisfied with his work. I think that most of us desire perfection, the perfect house, perfect husband/wife, perfect job, perfect car, perfect body….. the difference is between the desire of and the obsession for perfection. Perfection is an ideal yet if the world achieved perfection it will loose all its essence. Petals of flower are never perfect but this is what makes a flower so, so oh so sublime.

but baboyan 85 million is still good money that can be invested, why Armenia is so small that i don't think it offer any substantial profit to Americans. you think they should give us 10 billion?