UBBFriend: Email this page to someone! This topic is comprised of pages: 1 2 Author Topic: The Soccer World Cup Thread Juggernaut Member Member # 351 posted November 27, 2001 02:49 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- And ladies and gents here are the final 32 qualifiers From Asia: Korea Republic, Japan, China, Saudi Arabia From Africa: South Africa, Cameroon, Senegal, Tunisia, Nigeria From South America: Argentina, Paraguay, Ecuador, Brazil, Uruguay From North and Central America: Costa Rica, United States, Mexico From Europe: France, Poland, Sweden, Spain, Russia, Portugal, Denmark, Croatia, Italy, England, Slovenia, Turkey, Belgium, Germany, Ireland I think they are in order in qualifications. The groups are being decided next week I think, and I'll post them when they come up. Its a shame Holland didnt make it (their my favourites after France of course ). The other strong teams that missed out include: Yugoslavia, Check Republic, and Romania. Hopefully France will win again, but the form of their gollie (Barthez) leaves something to be desired, and they still dont have a SOLID striker up-front. I think the hosts (Korea and Japan) will do relativelly well, escpessially Japan. Posts your thoughts here, and in exactly 15 min I'll be watching the UEFA champs Bayern Munich take on South American champs Boca Juniors to decide the best club of the world. Shouild be a wonderful match. -------------------- Vive Deu, Saint Amour! - Templar Knight battle cry -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 307 | From: Sydney, Oz | Registered: Apr 2001 | IP: Logged Harut Moderator Member # 301 posted November 27, 2001 05:22 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- i used to be a big football fan myself. i had one big closet full of football stuff. some useful some not.(clothes, banners, posters, pictures, and much more) but football is dead here in US, or wasn't born yet. yes, it was really surprising to see Holland failing this time. it was more surprising to see Turkey in there. is this their first time in World Cup? even more surprising to not see Armenian in there. btw, who won Bayern or Boca Juniors? -------------------- BA?!?! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 1393 | From: California | Registered: Mar 2001 | IP: Logged Juggernaut Member Member # 351 posted November 27, 2001 09:23 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- but football is dead here in US, or wasn't born yet. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Americans dont undertand soccer, with the amount of money they throw at other sports they could have the BEST soccer league in the world. btw. I really hate basketbell quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- it was more surprising to see Turkey in there. is this their first time in World Cup? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No they have made it before at least once. I doubts they'll make it past the 1st round, unless their in a weak group. The reason for Galatasaray being so strong was for foreign players, though some Turkish players are ok too, I am fairly certain the majority of players in Galatasaray are foreign. quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- btw, who won Bayern or Boca Juniors? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- That match was dissapointing. Bayern was not in form and Boca were missing many players through injury. Bayern won 1-0 in extra time after Boca was reduced to 10 men just before half time (Bayern was playing better overall). I didnt see the goal cause I went at sleep after full-time (thats how boring it was). Im not really a big soccer fan, I just like following the world cup and watch most of the big matches (UEFA finals etc.) [ November 27, 2001: Message edited by: Juggernaut ] -------------------- Vive Deu, Saint Amour! - Templar Knight battle cry -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 307 | From: Sydney, Oz | Registered: Apr 2001 | IP: Logged Juggernaut Member Member # 351 posted November 29, 2001 05:19 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Soccer legend Pele says Brazil can't be considered a 2002 World Cup contender because it lacks team work and its recent performances have been below par. "If I had to say now who will emerge on top I could not mention Brazil," said the 60-year-old, who was a member of three World Cup-winning teams with Brazil and scored 1,283 goals in a career spanning over 20 years. "Brazil has played very badly. We have good players but no team work." Brazil uncharacteristically scraped in as one of the top four South American nations to automatically qualify for the 2002 World Cup. Pele said Argentina - who easily topped South American qualifying - and world champions France were the main favourites of the 2002 tournament in Japan and Korea, with England and Italy close behind. "England has started to play very well," Pele said. "I like the new coach's concept. He gives confidence to the team." England didn't lose a single qualifying game under new coach Sven-Goran Eriksson and even managed a 5-1 win in Germany in September. Pele said other teams to watch included Germany - "an old power to be reckoned with" - and Japan. "Unfortunately, and I think this is bad for the game, Holland has not qualified - they have always played a good and open game," he said. -------------------- Vive Deu, Saint Amour! - Templar Knight battle cry -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 307 | From: Sydney, Oz | Registered: Apr 2001 | IP: Logged Juggernaut Member Member # 351 posted December 03, 2001 04:27 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- People I am disapointed with the level of interest in the world game (soccer) cup. On a better note the groups have been decided and I am now going to post them according to what I think they will come in their particular group (based on performance in qualifications and personal 'hunch' ) Group A - France should top this one, though Denmark is a moderate threat. Uruguay is descent though I doubt they will be in top two. Senegal last. 1. France 2. Denmark 3. Uruguay 4. Senegal Group B - Spain will top this one, but the next three spots are difficult to predict, though both Paraguay or Slovenia should dominate South Africa 1. Spain 2. Paraguay 3. Slovenia 4. South Africa Group C - Despite difficulties in qualifications, I think Brazil will go a long way in this world cup and should top their group. Costa Rica should prove a worthy adversary (2nd), with Turkey and China filling 3rd and 4th. 1. Brazil 2. Costa Rica 3. Turkey 4. China Group D - Both Poland and Portugal have been playing relativelly well, either will deffinitelly top this group. US should edge out the hosts (S. Korea). 1. Portugal 2. Poland 3. US 4. Korea Group E - Germany is consistent in performance and will top this group, Ireland should be good enough to come second. 3rd place being contested by Saudi Arabia and Cameroon 1. Germany 2. Ireland 3. Cameroon 4. Saudi Arabia Group F - The group of death, difficult to predict this one with two very good teams (Argentina and England), one good team (Sweden) and an unpredictable wild-card (Nigeria). Though after all the matches have been played it is most likelly that it should look as follows. 1. Argentina 2. England 3. Sweden 4. Nigeria Group G - Another strong group, also will be unpredictable, though a conservative person (like myself) will put them as follows, except I think Ecuador should do better than Mexico. 1. Italy 2. Croatia 3. Ecuador 4. Mexico Group H - A relativelly weak group that Russia should top with Belgium close behind. Japan and Tunisia will occupy last 2 places 1. Russia 2. Belgium 3. Japan 4. Tunisia And thats it, what are your thoughts? -------------------- Vive Deu, Saint Amour! - Templar Knight battle cry -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 307 | From: Sydney, Oz | Registered: Apr 2001 | IP: Logged Harut Moderator Member # 301 posted December 03, 2001 12:53 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- thank you very much!!! i must admit that lately i don't follow football events, but i'm always happy that someone else does it for me. thank you. some of the groups are very imteresting really. just look at the group "F"!!! the most interesting one!!! there is going to be one tough battle. over all, it should be an interesting tournament. but however "gallandtsov ne xvotayet", i'm sorry that Holland didn't make it. -------------------- BA?!?! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 1393 | From: California | Registered: Mar 2001 | IP: Logged Juggernaut Member Member # 351 posted December 03, 2001 08:33 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yeah, its a shame Holland didnt make it, they were close, all the other top teams made it though. -------------------- Vive Deu, Saint Amour! - Templar Knight battle cry -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 307 | From: Sydney, Oz | Registered: Apr 2001 | IP: Logged Juggernaut Member Member # 351 posted March 04, 2002 04:16 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- France'd strikers are really starting to shine, with both Henry and Trezuguet in top 3 of UEFA goal scorers. Arsenal FC has many of Frances top players and is performing very well, many believe that Arsenal will reflect the performance of France in the World Cup. -------------------- Vive Deu, Saint Amour! - Templar Knight battle cry -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 307 | From: Sydney, Oz | Registered: Apr 2001 | IP: Logged Ararat-73 Junior Member Member # 265 posted March 12, 2002 02:56 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I saw Japan playing and winning Asian cup in 2000, in Lebanon. I was amazed to see that Japanese style was no more than Ararat-73's, with that perpetual motion, without ball playing", rythm changing, real wingers passing behing opposite defenders. But they still are lacking some good shooters like Zanazanian, Bondarenko, Andreassian, Ishtoyan and others. With good strikers, Japan is for me one of the best pretenders. I put them in the last four with France, Argentina, England and Italy. But don't forget that France and Argentina have all the chances to meet each other before the semifinals. Hoosalov vor Haiastan@ 2010in garokheh masnaktseel ashkharee aratchnootyan, with players as Jora Hovannissian (genious like his father Khorik), Soorenik Khatchatrian (son of last captain of Ararat Erewan Ashot), Manootcharian, Kharabaghtsian. Don't forget those names. Many French teams wanted them recently, while Armenian clubs are preparing new season here in France. 2001 Armenia's champion Punik came here with all their players (seniors, juniors...). li -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 42 | From: France | Registered: Mar 2001 | IP: Logged arm80 Junior Member Member # 786 posted April 09, 2002 08:59 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- O yeah im big football fan or as people here would say a soccer. ) The World Cup is going to be a very taght competition,cuz there are so many strong teams from all over the world For examle Europe: France, Germany, England South America:Argentina, Urugvai, Brazil Africa:Cameroon Azia: Japan I even can't even guess who is going to be a chemp. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 14 | From: USA | Registered: Apr 2002 | IP: Logged Accelerated Member Member # 847 posted May 30, 2002 03:19 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hurray, World Cup is starting in less than 24 hours Last I herd both Boghosyan and Djorkaeff are in the French squad, you knoe what that means.............go the French -------------------- Formerly known as Juggernaut -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 51 | From: Subaru Impreza WRX Sti | Registered: May 2002 | IP: Logged Rouben Malayan Member Member # 415 posted May 30, 2002 04:15 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Last world cup, after watching French play the their first game, I said to myself, these are the world champions! I was sure they are going to win it. Can't wait to see that happen twice. Especially because of Djorkayeff and Bogossian. Btw, why did Holland fail? I kinda didnt follow... -------------------- Rouben Malayan http://15levels.com http://ArmeniaGuide.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 106 | From: Amsterdam, Netherlands | Registered: Jun 2001 | IP: Logged Accelerated Member Member # 847 posted May 30, 2002 05:24 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Holland didnt play well in the qualifications, and had some bad luck, its a shame they didnt make it -------------------- Formerly known as Juggernaut -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 51 | From: Subaru Impreza WRX Sti | Registered: May 2002 | IP: Logged Accelerated Member Member # 847 posted May 31, 2002 05:31 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SHOCK! HORROR! France LOST to Senegal in openning match. They played very poorly and looked sterile. Luck wasnt on their side, I must admit they hit the woodwork twice (the Senegalese hit it once), but Senegal certainly deserved the victory. France is in trouble now, they need to win the next two games, and the opposition is going to be better in Uruguay and Denmark -------------------- Formerly known as Juggernaut -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 51 | From: Subaru Impreza WRX Sti | Registered: May 2002 | IP: Logged Accelerated Member Member # 847 posted June 01, 2002 05:36 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Update Saw Cameroon play very well against Ireland, but only came up with a draw (1:1) Next, Uruguay vs Denmark, best match by far, though the Danes always looked on top of things and deserved the 2:1 win. Just saw first half of Germany vs Saudi Arabia. Germany allready leading 4:0, no contest, thought I might get some work done instead of waisting my time . Tommorow group of death matches are going to be very interesting.... first Argentina vs Nigeria, then England vs Sweden -------------------- Formerly known as Juggernaut -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 51 | From: Subaru Impreza WRX Sti | Registered: May 2002 | IP: Logged Boghos Member Member # 67 posted June 01, 2002 08:10 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- France's loss should not be taken lightly at all, another loss and "Au Revoir". That would be quite interesting, wouldn't it ? Cameroon played very well, but only the first half, and that's where the problem seems to be. They definitely play the "art" style, but they are not in the best physical shape. No stamina. Germany massacred S. Arabia, 8x0, but nothing new there. I am very much looking forward to two games Argentina vs.Nigeria and of course Brazil vs. Turkey on Monday. I don't think it is going to be an easy game, but I am praying for a massacre. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 650 | From: Brazil | Registered: Aug 2000 | IP: Logged HOVSEP KASHISHIAN Junior Member Member # 821 posted June 01, 2002 11:55 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- BOGHOS I AM PRAYING TOO...AND TO ARARAT-73 YOU MISSED THE NAME OF #11 GHAZARIAN...I REMEMBER WHEN THEY BEAT DINAMO KIEV...2-1 AND THEY SCOUR THE TWO GOALS AT THE END OF THE GAME...I THINK THEY WON THE SOVIET UNION CUP, AM I WRIGHT...I HOPE WE SEE ARMENIA IN THE NEXT WORLD CUP. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 26 | From: USA | Registered: May 2002 | IP: Logged Boghos Member Member # 67 posted June 02, 2002 01:38 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Argentina played very well and beat Nigeria 1-0. Just to confirm that they are one of the most serious contenders to the title. Paraguay is beating S. Africa as I write, but this is not an important game. Press says Buruk, one of the leading Turkey players may not be in the team against Brazil. Hard to know if this is a diversionary tactic or it is for real. He plays with Ronaldo at Inter... But Buruk or no Buruk, Brazil has to win. The whole country, literally, will be watching tomorrow morning. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 650 | From: Brazil | Registered: Aug 2000 | IP: Logged Sip Moderator Member # 646 posted June 02, 2002 04:39 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So far, the Uruguay goal was the BEST!!! Left foot shot from outside the box ... Also, did you guys see Germany's freekick goal of vs. Saudi Arabia? I think it was the 8-th goal ... it was perfect!!!! -------------------- I am not young enough to know everything. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 468 | From: Los Angeles, CA | Registered: Dec 2001 | IP: Logged Accelerated Member Member # 847 posted June 04, 2002 06:39 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Update Brazil beat Turkey 2:1, though it was pretty close and the Turks are quite strong. Just saw South Korea literally outclass Poland. I mean, i did expect them to outrun, maybe outpass Poland, but NOT outclass in every department.The way they played they could have given the France of May 31 a good thrashing. -------------------- Formerly known as Juggernaut -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 51 | From: Subaru Impreza WRX Sti | Registered: May 2002 | IP: Logged Rouben Malayan Member Member # 415 posted June 04, 2002 08:49 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- When is the next game France is playing and who are they going to play? thnx... also, any info on that bizzare insident during Brazil / Turkey game when the turkish player intentionally bounced the ball on Rivaldo and got a red card.. ? [ June 04, 2002, 08:53 AM: Message edited by: Rouben Malayan ] -------------------- Rouben Malayan http://15levels.com http://ArmeniaGuide.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 106 | From: Amsterdam, Netherlands | Registered: Jun 2001 | IP: Logged Sip Moderator Member # 646 posted June 04, 2002 03:34 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hahahah that was soooo funny! You could see Brazil slowly getting on the Turks nerves. But they (Turks) played really well and at the end seemed to be pretty sportsman-like about things. Was just that idiot who shot the ball at Rivaldo. Gotta give to Rivaldo for the excellent acting job though I really enjoyed watching Brazil. I know they say all the time but they are really an amazing group of players ... but unfortunately, their flashyness costs them sometimes. Anyone see the bicycle kick of Belgium vs. Japan? The 1st goal??? The second half of that game was INTENSE!!!! -------------------- I am not young enough to know everything. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 468 | From: Los Angeles, CA | Registered: Dec 2001 | IP: Logged Boghos Member Member # 67 posted June 05, 2002 06:17 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Brazil won but it was not the landslide I hoped for. It could have been but the team is not yet at full speed. I do not agree with Juggernaut, Turkey is not a good team. Rivaldo´s attitude was deplorable...but Turkey deserved the two players sent off. This whole thing only means that Turks had a first half celebration that will last into the next few decades but for Brazil it is just a footnote. Susprise today the US beat Portugal 3x2. Let´s see what FrancexUruguay brings... [ June 05, 2002, 06:20 AM: Message edited by: Boghos ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 650 | From: Brazil | Registered: Aug 2000 | IP: Logged Sip Moderator Member # 646 posted June 05, 2002 11:33 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yah that US game was awesome! I couldn't believe those 3 goals in the beginning ... the second half was crazy with the pressure Portugal was putting on US. They have such an amazing team but I'm glad they couldn't get the 3rd one in -------------------- I am not young enough to know everything. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 468 | From: Los Angeles, CA | Registered: Dec 2001 | IP: Logged Rouben Malayan Member Member # 415 posted June 06, 2002 03:27 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Good luck to France today. I hope they make it to the second round, its gonna be tough, but nevertheless, we know French for their fighting spirit. Never give up. Allle!!!! *post game note- damn, if they play like this i dont think they gonna go anywhere but back home ( [ June 06, 2002, 07:52 AM: Message edited by: Rouben Malayan ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 106 | From: Amsterdam, Netherlands | Registered: Jun 2001 | IP: Logged Boghos Member Member # 67 posted June 06, 2002 11:46 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I think France will go home. There is nothing special about this team. They won the last World Cup because Brazil had serious problems, but that's it. Tomorrow it will be a very interesting day with Argentina x England. Cameroon didn't have a very easy time against Saudi Arabia. African soccer, for all its improvement is still far from where Europe and Latin America are (and now maybe even the US ) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 650 | From: Brazil | Registered: Aug 2000 | IP: Logged Ararat-73 Junior Member Member # 265 posted June 06, 2002 04:41 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I saw that Brazil-Turkey (2-1), last Monday, with some members of Armenian National football squad, in a restaurant at Charles De Gaule Airport, after their arrival from Yerewan and before they leave to Marseille, where they will be for a one week training cession. They all shouted when Rivaldo scored the winning goal against our common enemy. French customers may be thought we were Brazilians. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 42 | From: France | Registered: Mar 2001 | IP: Logged Ararat-73 Junior Member Member # 265 posted June 06, 2002 05:02 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Hovsep Kashishian : These are Golden Ararat-73's heroes : Goalkeeper : Aliosha Abrahamian (No.1) Defenders : Late Sanassar Kevorkian (2), Armen Sargsian (3), Late Alexander Kavalenko (4), Norik Mesrobian (5). Midfield : Arcadi Andreassian (6), Serguei Bondarenko (7), Hovannes Zanazanian (10) (Captain). Attackers : Levon Ishtoyan (8), Edouard Markarov (9), Nikolay Kazarian (11). Substitutes (as strong as the first eleven) : Goalkeeper late Norik Demirdjian, defenders Arcadi Harutyunian, Suren Martirossian, midfield player Serguei Boghossian and attacker Nazar Petrossian. Let's don't forget the famous manager Nikita Simonian and his two assistants Harutyun Kehyeyan and Onnik Abrahamian. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 42 | From: France | Registered: Mar 2001 | IP: Logged Sip Moderator Member # 646 posted June 06, 2002 05:06 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Is the Turkish soccer team our common enemy too? They were playing much better than I expected so at times I wanted them to score ... just because they were the under dogs! But I was glad that they got the red cards ... they really deserved them. But, for some reason, I didn't think of those soccer players as "the enemy" ... although in the back of my mind I was thinking that I should ... [ June 06, 2002, 05:07 PM: Message edited by: Sip ] -------------------- I am not young enough to know everything. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 468 | From: Los Angeles, CA | Registered: Dec 2001 | IP: Logged Boghos Member Member # 67 posted June 06, 2002 05:28 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sip, No, the Turkey national team is not our enemy. My opinion on how they played is based on watching the match, nothing else. They are not a good team. You said that they played better than you expected, well that's another thing, but the fact is that a country that has teams that have done quite well in European tournaments and whose national team has also done a decent job cannot play like that. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 650 | From: Brazil | Registered: Aug 2000 | IP: Logged THOTH Member Member # 369 posted June 06, 2002 05:59 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I have to admit that I am overwhelmingly an American football fan - though do watch the occasional (international) football/soccer match - particualarly World Cup time. Haven't had the time to watch any matches yet this go 'round. World Cup is a great concept IMO (except for the hooliganism that the fans of some countries display). I'm glad to see the US doing well (1 game)...and a good showing would be a good thing for the sport in this country...though i don't think it will ever rival the big 3 here (or 4...if you include hockey). Personnaly I love the sport of basketball - but the pro game in the US often turns me off (& its a freak show). Baseball (the [primadonna/overpayed} players in particular) really piss me off..used to be a big fan...can't generate the enthusiam any more...its great to go out and see a game now & again though - very laid back and (almost) intellectual when you really get into it...too bad the players are such a seholes. US football rocks IMO! What can I say - Its the glory of it all.... I agree with Boghos. I see no reason why anyone should consider the Turkish national team as the "enemy" - this is silly. They should be respected for the atheletes that they are and for the accomplishment just to get into the cup. More power to them I say. It speaks to our maturity to be able to actually root for the Turkish team (or at least not root against them just because they are Turks). (and if you look at the players you can even see the slav & Greek etc in them...think about it...in some way they are "us" in a sense...) Could you ever immagine Turks rooting for an Armenian team? LOL. Anyway Go USA is what I had meant to say! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 480 | From: USA | Registered: May 2001 | IP: Logged Twilight Bark Member Member # 555 posted June 06, 2002 06:18 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On a tangential note ... quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by THOTH: (and if you look at the players you can even see the slav & Greek etc in them...think about it...in some way they are "us" in a sense...) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yes and no. In order to "deserve" our affection as "one of us", they must begin to see the Armenian, Kurd, Arab, Persian, Greek, Slav in them. The stupid "I descended from the glorious Turkish hordes" outlook gets in the way of mutual affection, to the extent that "family ties" are a catalyst for it. I cannot feel much familial sympathy towards a cousin that feels utter disgust at the thought of being related to me. quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Could you ever immagine Turks rooting for an Armenian team? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- And when they do have an accurate view of themselves, great many Turks would indeed start cheering for the Armenian team. Until then ... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 309 | From: Earth | Registered: Oct 2001 | IP: Logged Accelerated Member Member # 847 posted June 07, 2002 06:34 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Boghos, The Turks certainly played much better than I expected, and played good enough to almost get a draw with Brazil. France Drew , Must beat Denmark at least by 2 goals to go through. Argentina vs England was the best match so far, England winning by one goal from a penalty. Gonna watch Croatia vs Italy today at a (Croatian) friends place, that should be good because if Croatia looses they are out, gonna be chearing for them, coz I dont like Italy. -------------------- Formerly known as Juggernaut -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 51 | From: Subaru Impreza WRX Sti | Registered: May 2002 | IP: Logged Accelerated Member Member # 847 posted June 08, 2002 10:16 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Update Croatia beat Italy 2:1 in a thriller last night. The Croats are now set to progress to second round. South Africa also upset Slovenia in a 1:0 victory... -------------------- Formerly known as Juggernaut -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 51 | From: Subaru Impreza WRX Sti | Registered: May 2002 | IP: Logged Sip Moderator Member # 646 posted June 08, 2002 10:57 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by Accelerated: Update Croatia beat Italy 2:1 in a thriller last night. ... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- CORRECTION The Italy game was actually early this morning. -------------------- I am not young enough to know everything. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 468 | From: Los Angeles, CA | Registered: Dec 2001 | IP: Logged Rouben Malayan Member Member # 415 posted June 11, 2002 02:47 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- France lost do Denmark 0:2 and is out of competition. What a pity -------------------- Rouben Malayan http://15levels.com http://ArmeniaGuide.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 106 | From: Amsterdam, Netherlands | Registered: Jun 2001 | IP: Logged Accelerated Member Member # 847 posted June 11, 2002 05:32 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- What a disgrace, France goes home without scoring a SINGLE goal! I must admit, I was very impressed with Denmarks game, escpessially the watertight defence. -------------------- Formerly known as Juggernaut -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 51 | From: Subaru Impreza WRX Sti | Registered: May 2002 | IP: Logged Boghos Member Member # 67 posted June 11, 2002 07:17 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Indeed France goes home without scoring even once. What a pathetic showing, but not completely unexpected. Brazil is likely to play Russia in the next round...But still has to play rather weak Costa Rica. The Turks have a chance of making second in the group. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 650 | From: Brazil | Registered: Aug 2000 | IP: Logged Accelerated Member Member # 847 posted June 12, 2002 04:19 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Argentina, the second favourite (after France) is also out! I think this World Cup is going to be full of surprises.... -------------------- Formerly known as Juggernaut -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 51 | From: Subaru Impreza WRX Sti | Registered: May 2002 | IP: Logged Boghos Member Member # 67 posted June 12, 2002 10:34 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I was watching the game, very early here, it started at 3:30am. When it ended there were fireworks, I swear, it´s the truth. There is obviously a major rivalry between Brazil and Argentina. Actually the Argies are not very popular anywhere in Latin America... Sweden has a decent team. So does Spain. Brazil plays at 3:30 with Costa Rica and will soon have all the next round contenders. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 650 | From: Brazil | Registered: Aug 2000 | IP: Logged KASHISHIAN Junior Member Member # 821 posted June 12, 2002 11:00 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Boy this world cup is geting more exciting every day,can anybody after seeing all the surprises can tell me who is going to be in the final two,take a guess. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 26 | From: USA | Registered: May 2002 | IP: Logged Boghos Member Member # 67 posted June 13, 2002 05:44 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Brazil beats Costa Rica 5 - 2 and Turkey makes it to the second round. Italy was losing to Mexico 1 - 0. This is becoming more and more interesting. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 650 | From: Brazil | Registered: Aug 2000 | IP: Logged Ararat-73 Junior Member Member # 265 posted June 14, 2002 05:30 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- First of all, I'm glad that soccer (or European football, or non american football) is more and more popular in the US and particularly Armenians are interested in WC-2002. May be because of the US team which is playing better than most of world's other teams and may be because of Djorkaeff and Boghossian in the French world champion team. Don't be sad for the French team being badly eliminated. I was expecting that because of numerous thinks, the main one being that Roger Lemerre doesn't know anything in group tactic. I think France won last World Cup because it was the less bad team. Remember, 3/4 of the goals were scored by defenders and defensive midfielders. Most of the matches were won by the narowest margin, on penalties or golden goal. The exceptions were matches against South Africa, Saudi Arabia and Brazil. Although goals there too were scored by defenders and midfielders. Of course, victory in Euro-2000 was clear because French squad was a little bit aggressive with good and rapid attackers. But either in WC-1998 or in Euro-2000, I didn't see anything of what I call group tactic. Nowadays, tactical level of world football is lower than in the 70's. Efforts are made in the physical preparation of a player which is easier and much faster. Economically, it's more interesting to fit a player that way and cast him as fast as possible in the international football bath. To think about football and to apply it on eleven players which aren't necessarely from Oxford or Cambridge are more difficult and take much more time. This then is economicaly less interesting. I hope everybody is noting that teams like France, Italy, Poland, Croatia, Uruguay and even Germany and Argentina, which play static football, are outcome by weaker teams which play fast football. Even if this fast football is based on counter-attack, it succeeds because the opposing "strong" teams can't play both fast and tactical football. To play both fast and tactical football, I'm saying again, you must be longly prepared for. At the present competition, I still think (see what I already wrote in Hyeforum) that Japan is tacticaly the most well prepared. Remember what I said about their style which resemble Ararat-73's style : accelerating the rythm, alternating short and long passes, whithout ball palying, attacking by the wings and set back passes and, of course, shooting, shooting, shooting. How many shoots French players did in their 3 matches ? I think less than 10 or 12 ! The secret of strong shoots (remember Zanazanian, Bondarenko, Andreassian, Petrossian, Boghossian, Ishtoyan, Kevorkian, everyone having powerfull shoot from 25, 30 meters !) is that even if the ball doesn't enter the goal, the attacking team can hope the ball will strike any of the goal keeper, a player or the goal-post and return back to a attacking player ready to shoot it back in the net. Japan is playing that kind of football and Brazil is also in the good football plan. Both teams are using 70's football tactic, even if Japan is not as powerfull as it would be. One of them, or even both, can make the final. Rendez-vous on June the 30th... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 42 | From: France | Registered: Mar 2001 | IP: Logged Boghos Member Member # 67 posted June 14, 2002 01:01 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The schedule doesn´t allow for Brazil and Japan to play the final. If they advance they will meet at the semi-final. I think Brazil will make it to the final. After beating Belgium the games start to be more difficult... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 650 | From: Brazil | Registered: Aug 2000 | IP: Logged Ararat-73 Junior Member Member # 265 posted June 14, 2002 05:02 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yes ! You're right, Dear Boghos. But still I hope one of Brazil or Japan will make the final and win the Cup. I give 80% to Brazil and 20% to Japan in confrontation between them both and 30% to Brazil and 8% to Japan in averall confrontation. What do you think ? Aharon -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 42 | From: France | Registered: Mar 2001 | IP: Logged HOVSEP KASHISHIAN Junior Member Member # 821 posted June 14, 2002 05:34 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TO ARARAT-73 FROM HOVSEP,THANK YOU FOR THE VALUABLE INFORMATION,I WAS IN BOURJ HAMMOUD LEBANON AT THE TIME OF THE GAME AND WE WERE LISTENING TO THE GAME ON YEREVAN RADIO AND WHEN THE SECOND GOAL WAS SCORED ALL BOURJ HAMMOUD WAS SALEBRATING AND YOU CAN HEARE THE DEFENING NOISE OF GUN FIRE IN THE AIR IN SALIBRATION,WE DID NOT SLEEP THAT NIGHT. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 26 | From: USA | Registered: May 2002 | IP: Logged Ararat-73 Junior Member Member # 265 posted June 15, 2002 03:54 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Hishadakner, hishadakner" ! We had really some high level football. I think we will see again those days in 3 to 6 years, with some juniors very very valuable ! Let's wait and see. For this World Cup, tell us who is your favorite (or favorites). I think England is getting more and more impressive, but I still give 30% to Brazil. I give England 14%, Japan 10%, Sweden 8%, Italy 7%, Korea 6%, Spain 6%, Germany 5%, Ireland 5%, Senegal 3%, Mexico 2%, USA 2%, Belgium 2%. (before the two quarter-finals Sweden v/s Senegal and Spain v/s Rep. Ireland). But I hope Japan will go to the final. I think they can accelerate the game at any time. When they need a goal, they put the pressure on their opponents and usually succeed to score. Their first step will be to eliminate the Turks who are not at their place (they usurped that place from Costa Rica). Give us your forecast. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 42 | From: France | Registered: Mar 2001 | IP: Logged MosJan Moderator Member # 7 posted June 15, 2002 08:56 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3-6 yes 10-20 tarun el em hamadziyn meak te vorj linenq tesnenq - ehhh parqt shat ter astvats ... uj yev hamperutyun tur vor mer YeraGuyn@ tesnenq tsatsanvi mek or Hardori himni het mekter .... AMEN Movses -------------------- --- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 4577 | From: My Little Armenia | Registered: Feb 2000 | IP: Logged Accelerated Member Member # 847 posted June 15, 2002 10:49 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I think England was lucky to beat Denmark (despite the score). 2 of the 3 goals were due to some very terrible individual mistakes by the Danes, the 3rd goal is also arguably so. I am yet to see the English side to effectivelly pressure the opponent for an extended period of time. In all their games so far I have seen them either draw or score and early goal and sit back. Their defence does deserve credit though. I dont think they wll get past Brazil in the quarters. My favourites (to win the cup) are currently in this order: Brazil Italy Spain Mexico Sweden England Germany Korea Japan the rest dont have a chance... [ June 15, 2002, 10:49 PM: Message edited by: Accelerated ] -------------------- Formerly known as Juggernaut -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 51 | From: Subaru Impreza WRX Sti | Registered: May 2002 | IP: Logged Ararat-73 Junior Member Member # 265 posted June 16, 2002 03:42 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Let's wait until tuesday. We'll know all quarterfinalists and bet. OK for Brazil, but, you said it yourself, England are very difficult to pass through. Italy are very clumsy (like Costa Rica against the Turks and the other teams of group C). I'll risk some Euros and give more chances to South Korea beating Italy. Don't forget that Italy was lucky with the draw (1-1) against Mexico. I see Japan until the semi-finals, I hope against Brazil. I think the other semi-final will be between Spain and Germany (but either Mexico or USA (go USA) have their chance against Germany). -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 42 | From: France | Registered: Mar 2001 | IP: Logged Boghos Member Member # 67 posted June 16, 2002 06:00 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear Aharon, sorry for not answering earlier but I was in Salvador, I think that Brazil will make it, but I also liked how England played. And if we beat Belgium that's who'll face... Senegal was quite a surprise, lot's of luck too. Japan vs. Turkey will be quite interesting. Needless to say the whole country will begin the day later tomorrow to watch the game. Let's see. Weak point is defense... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 650 | From: Brazil | Registered: Aug 2000 | IP: Logged Accelerated Member Member # 847 posted June 16, 2002 08:12 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I really think England is hyped by the media (escpessially here in Australia). Owen has speed, but not much technical skills, even the Senegalese striker (Diuf) IMO is better. And Heskey is plain useless. Despite beating Sweden I still believe Senegal will not get to the Final let alone win the cup. They have individual power, pace and skill, but their organisation is terrible escpessially in defense. I saw how Uruguay (Recoba in particular) picked it apart at will. Sweden were missing their star playmaker Freddy Leumberg, he may have made the difference. Senegal will have a lot of trouble against Japan (a lot of pace up front will give defence trouble), but should beat Turkey, as the Turks play essentially a European defensive game. As for Italy, they are unpredictable. Not on one occasion have they almost gone home after the group stage and have progressed on to the final and won it in the same tournament. [ June 16, 2002, 08:15 PM: Message edited by: Accelerated ] -------------------- Formerly known as Juggernaut -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 51 | From: Subaru Impreza WRX Sti | Registered: May 2002 | IP: Logged Boghos Member Member # 67 posted June 17, 2002 06:38 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Brazil beats Belgium 2-0 in their worst showing in the Cup. Defense is a seious concern and also there was no coordination in midfield. Now it is England at the Godforsaken time of 3:30am (but I will be there). US beats Mexico also 2-0... Two games left: Japan vs. Turkey and Korea vs. Italy. Tomorrow. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 650 | From: Brazil | Registered: Aug 2000 | IP: Logged sen_vahan Member Member # 709 posted June 17, 2002 07:04 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am 99% sure that Brazil will become the champion. Why 99? Because Turkey has some chance. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 127 | From: USA | Registered: Feb 2002 | IP: Logged Accelerated Member Member # 847 posted June 17, 2002 07:11 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I agree Boghos, defence is almost as bad a that of Senegal , I think because all the Brazilian defenders are geared toward attack (which in priniciple isnt a bad thing). Midfield too lacked in cohesion, but I still think they should beat England, I give them a 60% chance of victory 20% chance of draw and 20% chance of loss. Todays macthes will be interesting indeed. If Korea wins they will become one of my top favourites for the tournament. Also, I beleive them to be better than Japan -------------------- Formerly known as Juggernaut -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 51 | From: Subaru Impreza WRX Sti | Registered: May 2002 | IP: Logged HOVSEP KASHISHIAN Junior Member Member # 821 posted June 18, 2002 07:10 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- FAST NEWS ...SOUTH KOREA DID IT THEY ELIMENATE THE ITALIANS,THEY DESERVE IT THEY OUT PLAYED AND OUT CLASSED THE ITALIANS,IN EVERY WAY,THE COME BACK AND THE WIN;I LOVE THIS SOUTH KOREAN TEAM,THEY NEVER GIVE UP. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 26 | From: USA | Registered: May 2002 | IP: Logged Boghos Member Member # 67 posted June 18, 2002 07:41 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am for South Korea as well. they lost a penalty at 5min, incredible, and only scored at 43min of the second half. Brazil may face Turkey again if they both pass the quarter finals. It is a pity that Japan is out. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 650 | From: Brazil | Registered: Aug 2000 | IP: Logged Ararat-73 Junior Member Member # 265 posted June 18, 2002 02:43 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Japan didn't play as they should. They were very slow. And when you play slow in WC-2002, you loose. Examples : France, Italy, Portugal, Uruguay, Russia... One must know that in actual very bad international football level (tactically), it's easy to low level countries to beat high level countries if they play faster. The best example is Korea and Senegal. Unfortunately, Turkey plays modern football with fast counter-attacks and permutations, like Japan but faster. And that was the difference that made Turkey beat Japan. Then, my favorite remains Brazil and I think Korea can as well beat Spain. I hope Senegal will play as they did until now and beat the Turks. May be a final Brazil-Korea or Brazil-Germany, but let's first wait for the "little final" between Brazil and England. I think and hope a very good football moment. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 42 | From: France | Registered: Mar 2001 | IP: Logged Sip Moderator Member # 646 posted June 18, 2002 02:56 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Don't know if you guys have seen this yet or not but I thought it was hillarious -------------------- I am not young enough to know everything. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 468 | From: Los Angeles, CA | Registered: Dec 2001 | IP: Logged OEG Junior Member Member # 239 posted June 18, 2002 03:25 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Well, looks like Turkey is gonna face Brazil once again, remember the last game Brazil won with a penalty kick which was not even real. Turks play better against strong teams, last time they were against Germany it was 0-0 (Hakan's goal was not counted for off-side, and referee Pierluigi Collina admitted after the game that it was not off-side). Besides most of the Turkish team play in Europe and they are very experienced in international games. Here is who plays where: Okan, Emre: Inter Milan Umit Davala: AC Milan Hakan Sukur: Parma Hakan Unsal, Tugay: Blackburn Rovers Tayfur, Nihat: Real Sociedad Yildiray: Bayer Leverkusen Alpay : Aston Villa Fatih: Mallorca ; he came back to Turkey Arif: Real Sociedad, he is back in Galatasaray Actually when you look at the whole team its the same team which won UEFA Cup in 2000, same players, only instead of Hagi Taffarel and Popescu, there is Yildiray,Rustu and Umit Ozat. Also i have to mention that all the goals were scored by former and present Galatasaray players. Hakan, Umit, Emre, Hasan Sas and Bulent. By the way Turkish team has a huge card problem, they are already #1 in yellow and Red cards, i dont know what you think about this. But if Turkey beats Senegal, they will most probably finish the cup as the third team or the champion, thats what happened with Galatasaray, they just dont let it go once they get very close to it. By the way coach Gunes is one of the worst Coaches ever, only if Terim ( who was the head of Fiorentina and Milan for about a year ) was there, everything would be different. I guess after Senegal everything will be easier, but they have to be very careful against the Cinderella of this cup. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 10 | From: Houston, TX USA | Registered: Feb 2001 | IP: Logged Accelerated Member Member # 847 posted June 19, 2002 08:23 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Its a shame Italy is out (I must admit I was chearing for their opposition), but a Spain v Italy game would have been as good as Brazil v England is going to be. Also Koreans have become arrogant now, that they have beaten Italy, I hope Spain will put them in their place. Germany should beat the US (most boring match of the four). But the Senegal v Turkey match has a potential of being very competitive. If they (Senegal) overcome Turkey they will be two games away from World Cup . That would be the sensation of them all (if they win final). -------------------- Formerly known as Juggernaut -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 51 | From: Subaru Impreza WRX Sti | Registered: May 2002 | IP: Logged Sip Moderator Member # 646 posted June 19, 2002 10:05 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by Accelerated: ... Germany should beat the US (most boring match of the four). -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Just wanted to keep that quote somewhere safe in case the "unimaginable" happens Germany is VERY solid but US has nothing to lose. They also know that no one at home is watching (except for me) so they'll be having fun I think ... Germany should better watch out and NOT take the game too lightly. -------------------- I am not young enough to know everything. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 468 | From: Los Angeles, CA | Registered: Dec 2001 | IP: Logged Boghos Member Member # 67 posted June 20, 2002 09:35 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- It is 1:30am and I am up waiting for Brazil vs. England. In that pursuit I am hardly alone, one can hear firecrackers all over the place at least since 11pm. Well, this is Brazil and lots of people will watch the game even at this crazy hour. Very hard to call this one, it could be a beauty but also a disaster. But in this World Cup this has been the story anyhow... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 650 | From: Brazil | Registered: Aug 2000 | IP: Logged Accelerated Member Member # 847 posted June 20, 2002 10:26 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Row Britannia! Britannia Rules The Waves!.... I'm going for Brazil of course, but I love that tune . And the US IS going to be beaten by Deutchland, if they arnt I will wear the underwear I am wearing now untill the Final. LOL. -------------------- Formerly known as Juggernaut -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 51 | From: Subaru Impreza WRX Sti | Registered: May 2002 | IP: Logged Sip Moderator Member # 646 posted June 21, 2002 01:39 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by Accelerated: ... And the US IS going to be beaten by Deutchland, if they arnt I will wear the underwear I am wearing now untill the Final. LOL. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ok got that one too just in case DID YOU SEE RONALDINHO'S GOAL !!!! OH MY FREAKING GOD ... that shot was nothing less than perfect. If it was any other person or any other team I would have said it was a lucky shot. But this was just TOO good. -------------------- I am not young enough to know everything. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 468 | From: Los Angeles, CA | Registered: Dec 2001 | IP: Logged Boghos Member Member # 67 posted June 21, 2002 05:23 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ronaldinho Gaucho is really a brilliant player, he not only scored a beautiful goal but also made the pass for the first goal. David Beckham is just an overpaid player. US vs Germany is an unsavory choice, but just
