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You know Hagarag, that makes perfect sense to me now. Unfortunately, for some reason, I was fooled for a while with this nice story about raising childeren, wonderful trusting relationships, and purity of character ... but that's exactly what it comes down to ... like buying a new car as opposed to a used one (or a shoe ) It's perfectly clear to me now!!! I am just mad that it took me so long to see it I just wish these guys would come out and say it the way it is, as opposed to sugar coating it for fools like me! [ October 04, 2002, 02:56 AM: Message edited by: Sip ]

This just struck me as completely ODD, kinda like the lightbulb that goes on in cartoons (I know it's been said before many many times ... but I was very slow in catching on in this case). WHY IS THERE a double standard? Why virgin females and not males? What makes males so special? All I heard was emotional bagage this, and non fairthfulness that, and doing drugs as a result, etc etc etc ... Not a single one of those people that claim to have the virginity requirement for femals seem to have the same requirement for males. What the hell is up with that?

dadark shish uzem inch anem? 1.1Mbit sounds great for DSL. That's about what I get at home. I get 9Mbit at UCLA

Wooo Hooo !!! Any idea when? I can't wait!!!

quote:Originally posted by HOVSEP KASHISHIAN:Are you sure gays this is not Hagarag... Hagarag, Hovsep calls everyone gay Just kidding Hovsep, but I am hoping that is a typo (but I have seen it in your post several times (gays/guys) Movses, yes mi ankam pordzetsi es mer miloshin loghatsnem (vor pokr er), dzerkes enpes jangrets vor der michev hima deghe mnatsel a (3 dari antsav)!!! El yes kiankumes katuin chem pordzi loghatsnem

Looks good to me from here (?) ... any specific site/server that you have trouble accessing or just EVERYTHING? I would suggest you try out the speed test at This site to see what you get. It may be a simple mis-configuration problem? (like a home router/gateway or just PC misconfiguration) ... in any case, there are ways to find out where exactly the problem is if you are interested.

emmmmmmmmmm ... djigar! I love djigar ... especially with onions and lemon juice. The disturbing thing with us barska-hyes is the phrase "djigared utem" (translated to "I want to eat your liver"). That actually used to scare the heck out of me as a kid as it was always followed by painful pinchings of my cheeks and sloppy kisses by some old ladies [ October 03, 2002, 06:13 PM: Message edited by: Sip ]

quote:Originally posted by marco:... But it is a preference and had I the choice between a virgin and a non-virgin I would choose the non-virgin especially considering there is an increased likelihood that she is not carrying any baggage from some sorted lost love, ex-boyfriend, bitterness on life, relationships and the whole works. Just my two cents! Interesting opinions thus far! Way to keep us on our toes Marco! I am almost certain you actually meant "virgin" where you said "non-virgin"

quote:Originally posted by MJ:My life definitely is not worth 20 billion dollars (it is insured for much less ). However, I estimate my children’s lives to be worth more than that. Forgive my bluntness but you are joking about the last part, right?

What I meant with "expecting others" has to do with the worth of childeren. The "value" of human life has been one of those things that has distrubed me greatly in the past. Obviously human life cannot have infinite value. How much is person x, walking on the street, really worth? How much is an unborn child really worth? How much am I worth? Life is precious ...yes! Life is infinitely precious ... NO! Can the value of life can be quantified? ... I think so. How? ... I don't know. However, I am VERY certain that human value CAN be quantified in relative terms (person x in terms of person y). Does all this fall under the "childeren are stupid" series? Maybe! But I think it's at the heart of the "environment" question. How much are your (MJ's) childeren and the other childeren and the coming generations really worth? Do we have to go out of our way to ensure their well being? How far out of our way? Actually, come to think of it, this probably falls under the Sip's mental diarrhea series. I'm off to my much needed beauty sleep.

Just seemed like an uncharacteristically "biased" statement, that's all. I have come to expect fully logical, serious, very well thought-out things from you. Not saying that what you said about your childeren is or is not any of those ... you just surprised me that's all Nothing wrong with feeling that way! Actually it's quite an admirable trait in a parent I must say. I just hope you don't expect others to share that same opinion

http://zr2.cs.ucla.edu/hf/unhappy.jpg That is one unhappy cat! At first I didn't think much of it ... but look closely at the facial expressions. I think it's a great picture!!!

Ok ... just take a look at THIS (the first part at least). Don't tell me that doesn't apply to Armenians! I don't believe it. http://zr2.cs.ucla.edu/Sip/zr2/bigs.gif

The only rock band I really know in the US is SOAD. Any other good ones? Edit: I was thinking "heavy metal" when I posted that. I guess a lot of things can fall under the "rock" category. [ October 03, 2002, 12:31 AM: Message edited by: Sip ]

quote:Originally posted by Accelerated: quote:Your puny WRX can get NO WHERE NEAR the speed of light therefore, it is NOT a time machine either.Yeah, thats true, but its still faster than hagarags bathtub, and it corners better .Alright ... time to put some money where your mouth is. I call a challenge. Hagarag in his bathtub, you and your choice of ANY wrx. We have to see once and for all who's going to win. I for one, can't wait to find out

Ok so what if we make the question a bit more difficult. What about a woman that was married (had sex) and is either divorced or widowed. What about her? She is obviously not a virgin anymore... is she maybe still good enough for Tigrannes?

quote:Originally posted by Azat:...Nairi and I use PMs only to exchange pictures. Hmmmm ... Azat? I didn't know you got pms quote:Originally posted by TigrannesIII:...and it's 2 computers (not just 1) and some phone lines Sun would disagree. Their claim is that "the network IS the computer". I have to say I agree with them. But seriously dude ... I got some strange Arthur flashbacks after reading some of the replies. quote:Originally posted by TigrannesIII:A girl who sleeps around most likely does it because she has no self-respect. Here's my main problem with what you said Tigrannes3. You seem to have this binary view on the subject. A girl is either a virgin or a slut. As much as I love simplicity and such binary division between things, I have come to learn that real life doesn't work like that.

quote:Originally posted by Accelerated:And were YOU there!? And no, your bathtub filled with hot water isnt a time machine.... How about YOU? were YOU there? Your puny WRX can get NO WHERE NEAR the speed of light therefore, it is NOT a time machine either. By the way, would you have any real thoughts on the subject or would you just like to continue the Thoth bashing? ... or is that your way of hitting on him ... common, we all know you have a big crush on him

quote:Originally posted by TigrannesIII:How many girls that are virgins before marriage go onto (or have ever done) things like drugs? None. Huh? I knew exactly what was going to be your first and second sentence before even opening this thread but I have to say this third one really surprised the heck out of me!!! Why? Why do you have to say such things to immediately undermine your position when you have such a solid start on your point?

But I just can't stop asking my self ... how long are we planning to live? Why even bother? We are going to be wiped out sooner or later so why go through all the trouble and wait for later? (Note that I don't expect an answer since there can be none except for speculation ) Now on a related note, I found it completely fascinating that this year, here in the Western parts of US, the effects of environmental-preservation efforts for many decades finally resulted in some of the most MASSIVE fires in recent times that wiped out HUGE chunks of Arizona, Colorado, Oregon, and California. The devestation is just mind boggeling ... most of it (for example in Arizona) was due to the vegetation and growth levels being very high as a result of bans on logging, controlled brush fires, and other environmental restrictions. We certainly have a lot of power. But I am with MJ on this (from one of the older posts) ... shut your mouth and don't claim to know what is good for the environment if you are not an expert in the field (this is directed to the typical, rather blind environmentalist types I have come in contact with in my life)!!! Everyone and their aunt seem to have an opinion on what is right when it comes to the environment. Just makes me SICK http://zr2.cs.ucla.edu/Sip/zr2/barf.gif This "expert bashing" and "self-proclaimed expertitude" are very common in the US in specific. I have heard so many times people say things like: "Oh, what does he know blah blah blah..." when they encounter the opinions of an expert on a subject, especially if those opinions happen to contradict what they were thinking

Hagarag, I think you are awesome! Only you could manage to compare women to shoes, bring up the ongoing jew vs muslim problems and the suicide bombings, put down muslims, and stick in a pro-west message all condensed into about 3 lines!!! (LMAO about the shoe analogy though) --- EDIT for wh00t: Wooo Hoooo !!!! I din't even notice ... I think I am going to be editing old messages for a while ... I want to stay at this nice round number ... although 1001, 1010, 1011, and 1100 are also going to be nice ones to get to Funny you should say Dr! I got a package in the mail today with that as my title. I was like wait a minute ... did something happen and someone forgot to tell me about it? [ October 01, 2002, 05:39 PM: Message edited by: Sip ]

It's amazing to me how much importance traditional people seem to put on virginity. If they are only worried about the physical aspects of being a virgin, then I say they are totally out of it since there is SOOOO much that one (a female) can do yet still "technically" be a virgin A simple search on google, will provide millions of pages regarding this (I have heard ). If they are talking about the purity of the sole, mind, etc, then virginity becomes a "relative" issue. There can obviously not be any absolute statements you can make regaring a persons thoughts (past relationships, feelings, etc). So to answer your question, I don't think the "technical" (i.e. physical) aspect of virginity is important AT ALL. The second part, is more difficult to answer ... I would say that those experiences "made" the person that you like and want to marry. Therefore, they are important (so I don't have a "problem" with them either)

quote:Originally posted by MJ:I wonder what was the difficult part to comprehand in that sentence? The problem was probably on my end. Years of exposure to, and "training" in, the arts of "simlicity in expression" (i.e. context free languages) has left me somewhat at a loss when I encounter colorful language and complex sentences ... But I did eventually figure it out By the way, although I may not agree with you on the ultimate fate of the diaspora, I do agree that the resources are very limited and they should be managed wisely as you propose (although I wouldn't completely exclude the Diaspora). For example, here at UCLA (library), we have one the finest collections of Armenian "stuff" in the world, outside of Armenia (not sure on the rankings in the world, but it is the best in the USA). I hear we even have a large collection of handwritten manuscripts from the middle ages!!! Also, the Armenian department is slowly flourishing into one heck of a forum for experts and scholars in the Armenian language (among other things). Now that, I would say, is pretty impressive for the Diaspora, wouldn't you agree? quote:Say "You are Welcome" to Nairi, please. Beste Nairi, u bent welkom

Alright, after re-reading that sentence several times and running it through my logic analyzer, I think you are saying that the Diaspora is doomed to extinction. I have no doubt that a large part may be doomed. But I don't think the whole diaspora (as a group) is doomed to that fate, especially where Armenians are concerned. Just look at the barska- and lebanona- hyes. They have been around for certainly a LOT of generations. And the Diaspora we have here in LA ... I don't seem the extincting (<--- how's that for a word) anytime soon!

quote:Originally posted by MJ:... but rather there is less practical merit in spending the very limited resources on something which is doomed to expire due to the mere fact of the Diaspora being doomed to extinction in not more than a couple of generations, in my view. I didn't fully understand this sentence. Are you saying the diaspora IS doomed to extinction in a few generations or the opposite?