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i love this forum and i am enjoying my odysse in here ... but why all this unnecessary off-topic postings ? because of some few estepxins ? relax ! and remember those sentimental days when you came to amerigga and drank your first gogga golla arpajan : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1MZz_hSqFQ

i got used to it that mods in this forum post private messages to my account that i deserved the vulgar comments of some users in this forum because of my socialcritical posts ... oh well arpa , i dont care much ... and if all armenians on this world would be as vulgar full of hatred and uneducated as you than i would take it as a compliment being turkish as you claim . what the hell , theres armenians and theres armenians .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0mWoTSQFRM

what does their fake kindness have to do with armenians ? i dont understand your comparison . would you like turks to say : hi american , welcome to turkey its a nice country but we treat our minorities bad" explain please what you mean ... hmm

hello nikephoros, your last sentence ... i have a question to you , werent syria lebanon irak ect... muslim countries who took armenian genocide survivors into their countries ?

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/51mEXfdMeEL._AA240_.jpg who has read the book ? who wants to discuss ?

hi hosank , where do you have this information from ? can you explain me please ...

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Avo , i would recommend you to do a family constellation once in the next university close to you . you will be surprised . in my personal oppinion you have carried harsh genocide traumas into your generation . i am serious avojan , do a family set up . maybe bert hellinger therapy will open your eyes . phenomenal psychology unconciously from generation to generation . so much about psychology ... my oppinion about hayastanzis ? hayastanzis differ from each other like night and day . sometimes to the point where it gets scary . my closest friends i see regulary are from hayastan , but none of them have such weird ideas as i heard in this forum . i had a discussion about this thread topic with them too 2 days ago , and they blamed some of the posters arguments on the poor education in america and told me to not waist my time with such primitive people . maybe true maybe not ... just as shahan describes , every one of us can judge better from our own personal experiences . i also believe that in this world one is always somehow judged by their nationality and their behaviour . if for example a french person only meets one single armenian in his whole life then this french person will have either a positive/negative oppinion about armenians . yes of course . 50.000 kurds /turks in khars signed that they are for pro-opening-the border . but my oppinion is that turkey doesnt really care because most of them are kurdish and want to prevent kurdish emancipation in business life . besides , what is a 50.000 besides 80 million turks ? nada . theres is no such thing as you said , you are totally right from my point of view , because the diaspora all are originally from todays turkey . why should anyone today then identify themselves with countries like libanon , hayastn , barskastan , irak or syria? i think the problem of the classifications lie more deep . psychology . the diaspora has no real national home feeling , so they just present themselves as lipanahays irakahays barskahays bolsetsis ect... thats an identity complex in my oppinion . theres only one country where diasporants in history fled from : turkey . theres only one country which is ours : hayastan . in my oppinion only someone who is born and grew up in hayastan can have a national feeling towards its country . one poster complained about armenians from turkey to get armenian when they leave turkey . as far as i see the situation is that in reality armenian citizens who leave their country in the past 20 years have a major identity crisis and complexes . it seems nobody wants to admit having left hayastan because of the inviting kapitalizm which attracks them in other countries . who cares when hayastanzis go out of their country and join political parties in is usa or europe for example ? no one. it has zero effect . our discussion topic has zero effect on the real situation of opening the border or not . it just interesting for me to hear the ideas of armenians living in english speaking countiries . but making a change? no. theres officially no organization who represents the armenian diaspora , not ANCA , not any one. neither armenian nor turkey are interested in our oppinions here . its comfortable for armenia to keep borders closed , so armenia doesnt have to be confronted with the real number of hayastantsis who moved to turkey . the armenian government will until then not have to give official explanations of hayastanzis moving to turkey en masse to their enemy hated land turkey . i believe armenia is scared in case of opening the border to turkey to have the duty to explain why so many armenians moved to turkey . if the border will open , i am sure the number is going to rise tremendously towards the number today which enters turkey through land-wayfrom vrastan and through air-way to istanbul .also in my oppinion the armenian government is faking the number of hayastanzis in turkey big time . what will though stay an enigma to me is hayastanzis who live everywhere else than in hayastan try to make politics and tell me that the economy of armenia is opening up like a flower . then why doesnt everyone move back to armenia if this is the truth ? the railway from turkey to azerbayjan via girogia was a very profitable thing for turks , turks can now export weapons even tanks much more easy and comfortable on this new railway route to azerbayjan then exporting through armenia (;

AVO , so it is justified for you that forum users swear and call me names? so you want to really tell me i deserved these primitive swears? where did some of you get your family education from ? i really start wodering by now ...

hello yervant , yes . these comments are primitive , racistic and sexistic . how would you describe these comments ?

yes edward , you can discuss so good and civilized with posters who post comments like these . this forum is so perfect .

only criticism wont do any good, wont you agree ? ayo , but egocentric idealism wont do good either i think . in my opinion the days where i can say i am proud to be an armenian are long time ago .

edward , i made the experience in this forum that some really hate armenians from turkey . i think it is a good thing though if people can critisize their own nation , IF they have good arguments .

edward , why should one HATE hayastanzis by only critisizing the chovinism ? HATE is a strong word edward . why do you take it so personal ? i dislike the armenian macho men , and so what ? does it mean i hate hayastanzis ? no !

Shahan lets not break Avos dream of a grande hayastan . Armenia is calling ... Avojan , the interview is from 1999 , 8 years ago . *1999 All Rights Reserved

here an interesting article from 2006 if anybody wants to read :

Avo, i also posted other sources , and as i said if you dont believe me go and see yourself . but what i find interesting is the paranoia that i am not armenian lol . no , i must be a turk . no there are no armenian prostitutes on this world . no there are no gay/lesbian armenians on this world . no there is no male machos living in hayastan . armenians are all perfect dashnaks . armenians should all go to arsax and fight and die young . armenian economics are perfect . oh , and only the hayastanzis are the pure arian armenians on this world .

it is the truth . dont bore me please.

ect.... if anyone does not believe me then please go to istanbul and see yourself with your own eyes . i recommend every armenian who has prejudices against armenians in istanbul should visit turkey once and get to know the armenian community . but dont be stubborn towards the turth , even if it hurts anyones armenian ego . i dont think i have to still continue explaining the true pictures i have seen in istanbul on hayastanzis , because i slowly am getting the same tiring feeling with some blind diasporants as i get with explaining some turks the true armenian genocide . i am just talking against armenian walls here i think .

Avojan , 80 000 bolsohays + 80 000 hayastanzis = istanbul armenians press? international press and my own eyes (;

the press says an approximate numbers . since they live in turkey illegaly the exact number is difficult to find , but one thing is for sure that istanbul armenians are about 80 000 and another thing which is sure is that hayastanzis are at present much more . one can see this if you visit armenian living areas in istanbul by now . you will run into more hayastanzis than bolsohays these days . the majority are though women , mothers who come alone at first , after bring their children also to istanbul to work . a lot of these women complain of their husbands being alkoholics, lazy , and beating them up . avo, it is not very different in turkey than in some other coutries of this world where the hayastanzis are the armenian majority and the diasporants are today the minority . i have talked to some to understand their situation . a lot of bolsohays there talk with these prostitutes to get them out of the street . the reasons these women give as i wrote before shahan . the mentalities between the rather more conservative bolsohays and these prostitutes are like night and day . to be honest to you , for some women i felt sorry for them and said mexken , but about some others i thought that they want to just make easy fast money without any moral expectations of life . you actually cant put all of them in one pot . every prostitute probably has her own story . as you can maybe understand , bolsohays cant offer such women jobs in their households . they are not trustable if they sell their bodies on the streets . theres also a lot of hayastanzi women who do marry turks or kurds because they say they treat them much better than their husbands in armenia . for example some armenian young women have gone to turkish talk shows and said that they chose turkish man because they dont get beaten up and are treated nice . some turkish newspaper wrote once that there are supposedly 3000 armenian prostitutes only in tabzone . i personally dont believe the number is that high , but still it is a huge amount , even if its only a thousand . but i havent been in trabzone to tell you if i saw with my own eyes . since angax hayastan . few years ago bolsohays were shocked about seeing these prostitutes on the streets at night , by now its the normal picture . number rising constantly . prostitutes just as well as criminals (koxutyun) i have never lived in istanbul , but visit often . sometimes i combine yerevan /istanbul trips . whenever i mention the prostitution issue in yerevan to my friends , they dont deny nor comment on it . they just change the subject . it is very difficult to talk openly about these problematics . its a tabu-subject unfortunately .

"Man lives consciously for himself, but is an unconscious instrument in the attainment of the historic, universal, aims of humanity." Leo Tolstoy ... how true ... lol