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ԱՐԿՂ. ՏԱՊԱՆ ARK , Box The reason we call the Arkշ Arkgh., Tapan Արկղ http://www.nayiri.com/imagedDictionaryBrowser.jsp?dictionaryId=7&pageNumber=327 Above it is suggested that Ark comes from the Latin Arcla,, which in turn some claim it comes from the Egypt-hebrew Arol. Աէկղ box տուփ chest սնտուկ from where the word արկշակալ is to mean treasurer. And at times , by extension - a funerary box, a coffin. .Some times also known as դամբան, damban. Տապան http://www.nayiri.com/imagedDictionaryBrowser.jsp?dictionaryId=7&pageNumber=2402 It brings us ro Տապան as in Նոյեան Տապան. Noyam Tapan (see Noyan Tapan news agency).** Once again it means box, a ship closed on all sides, and at times also a funerary box, a coffin. See ՏապանաքաքարTapanaqar, Tombstone.. ** http://www.nt.am/ Replica of the Ark to be built in Armenia. Where is noah? http://www.armenianow.com/sites/default/files/img/imagecache/600x400/noyan-tapan-yerevan-armenia_0.jpg PS. In another post, see Coedistan, where some idiots say the furkish word aghri means ark.

The sorry state of journalism, and the media in general, which we may already know.. It is a long article but worth a read. ==== http://hetq.am/eng/news/30560/the-computer-mouse-should-be-the-1st-weapon-against-unscrupulous-news-sites.html ----- The Computer Mouse Should be the 1st Weapon Against Unscrupulous News Sites 16:58, 8 November, 2013 My neighbor, 75 year-old grandpa Sourik, is pretty active, politically. He’s attended almost all of the opposition demonstrations and says he’s become aware of developments in the country by participating in various protests. During the current relatively “peaceful period”, Sourik only source of news is Armenian TV. But he’s not satisfied with the limited programming it offers. Every two days, grandpa Sourik would come to our home with the names of news sites written on a piece of paper. He wanted me to read him the opinions of the internet press. But I stopped serving as the press spokesman for Sourik about one month ago. When he visited me the last time, with his piece of paper in hand, and asked that I open his favorite site, a semi-nude picture of Kim Kardashian popped out on the first page. On the next website, Sourik said he read news that wasn’t true; just a pack of malicious gossip. “And here I was thinking that they operated normally. They are either in need of sex or either gossip like a group of old women. To be a journalist back in the Soviet era was an honor. Now, they have turned into naggers. Back then we would impatiently wait for the postman to arrive with the newspapers for us to read. I used to subscribe to five papers and magazines. The ones I didn’t subscribe to I would pick up from my neighbors. Nowadays, young kids just out of diapers claim to be reporters, running from interview to interview with tape recorders in hand,” Sourik exclaimed and left. There are real reasons for Sourik to complain. It’s true, the internet press has benefitted the media field, ensuring greater diversity and serving as an alternative platform for speech and opinion, in contrast to the TV under state control and the newspapers with small print runs, which have little impact on public opinion. However, the internet press has intensified the issue of media self-regulation. A number of ethical questions (the use of anonymous sources, disinformation, or the publication of unverified news and even outright lies) have been given much greater attention. Such methods have become the accepted work ethic at certain news sites. These daily growing media outlets had a need for new staff and filled the void with young people who were untrained and unfamiliar with professional standards. As a result, serious analytical and investigative journalism almost disappeared. What rose instead was a demand for easily digestible news. On the other hand, cutthroat completion amongst internet media sources for a shrinking audience led to a serious fall in quality, a devaluation of professionalism. Today, yellow journalism dominated the internet press. Almost every other site fills the need to lift Facebook posts of well-known individuals and reprint them on their sites, thus ensuring the desired number of “likes”. It was due to this race that, for example, that during the course of one minute on July 30 of this year, the internet was swamped with the false news that prominent humorist and broadcaster Mark Saghatelyan had died after being rushed to hospital in critical condition. Minutes later, the news had been removed from the news sites, but none felt the need to apologize to their readers for publishing the unverified and undignified report in the first place. The devaluation of professionalism also benefits certain political circles that obtain or create news sites for propaganda purposes – by providing one-sided news and by stoking political intrigue. In the struggle against the political opposition or competition, we see the more frequent use of news websites. As a consequence, reporters have become tools to be exploited and the media community is being split apart. And this can only benefit the powers that be. The fact that oligarch/MP Samvel Aleksanyan recently expressed a desire to open a news site and strike back at his reporter naysayers, proves our point. It is difficult to imagine how many such “beaten” reporters would express a desire to work for Tsarukyan. So the following questions remain: How to regulate the media field in Armenia? How to raise the level of professional of internet reporters? How to spur journalism that adheres to ethical norms? These questions are of concern not only to responsible reporters and editors, to media analysts and experts, but also to readers who have grown tired of low quality news reporting How to overcome the problems now faced by the internet press in Armenia? The principle of free speech in news reporting is gradually turning into a free for all, where concepts of responsibility, ethics and morality are being disfigured under the rubric of Article 10 of the European Convention of Human Rights: “Everyone has the right to freedom of expression. This right shall include freedom to hold opinions and to receive and impart information and ideas without interference by public authority and regardless of frontiers. This Article shall not prevent States from requiring the licensing of broadcasting, television or cinema enterprises.” In several precedent setting decisions, the European Court of Human Rights has often stated that freedom of expression is a pivotal pillar of a democratic society and that its advancement, as well as individual expression of all, a fundamental prerequisite. The right to freedom of expression not only guarantees the freedom of the press to inform the public, but also the right of the public to be informed in a responsible fashion. Specialists say that it is easy today to create a news site. It’s not an expensive proposition. Naturally, this is the case if we are merely talking about having a website. It takes around $200 to open a site in Wordpress, $10 monthly for the hosting, and $10 annually for the domain name. Neither is greeting content all that expensive. You can get two students to work for next to nothing if they agree to lifting Facebook and other social web posts of prominent individuals and copy pasting articles from other sites without due credit. Clearly, for serious news sites, creating a site is a serious problem as well as the financial challenges of getting and keeping a quality staff. In an interview with Hetq, media analyst Samvel Martirosyan said that the issue of regulating the sector is complex as it demands solutions involving the engagement of the media community, educational institutions and the consumer. The public needs to be more demanding; otherwise it’s all being read. The public must be mature enough to remove any site that spreads disinformation from its reading list. The press community must go the route of self-regulation, a process that has started to some small degree. Yellow journalism must be separated from the responsible media. All must not be given the same credit rating,” says Martirosyan. For example, he says that the Sun British tabloid isn’t rated equally with The Guardian. Martirosyan notes that if we follow the instincts of the general public, then naturally, only sex and violence are needed in the press. But the problem is that the responsible press must address the public consciousness. “Since the field of competition has developed incorrectly in Armenia, the yellow and normal press has been sandwiched together with the same credit rating. Naturally, in order to compete successfully, the normal press becomes yellow as well. There must be a separation. Throughout the world, the yellow press is more popular. It’s just that it operates in another field,” he added. The expert finds the competition to gather “likes” as normal, since it shapes an audience. The problem arises when “likes” are gathered by deceiving and disgusting readers. Anna Israyelyan, the editor of the online Aravot news site, doesn’t agree with the claim that serious analytical and investigative journalism has almost disappeared and that a demand for easily digestible news has arisen. She says that serious journalism has its readers and so too does the easy, syrupy stuff. The two don’t cross paths or get in the other’s way. It’s a whole other question that news sites seeking to disseminate serious news must slightly review the way they work. Such sites shouldn’t wait for advertisers to line up outside their door after publishing a good article. Anna Israyelyan says that we have also have a lot of stuff to borrow from the websites providing the easily digestible news, in terms of integrating with social networks and disseminating original material. “And I’m not even talking of the necessity to study the needs of the reader audience. Perhaps we must contact market analysts, in order to regulate the activities of sites in such a way to make it as easy as possible to work with search systems/ As regards the professionalism of internet reporters, I don’t think that the situation is all that different now than in the past. There have always been more reporters who don’t spend much time and effort on an article than those that do. I mean the ones who always present a second opinion,” notes Israyelyan. The Aravot editor believes that the only way to raise the professional level of inexperienced reporters is to fill in the gaps by sending them to on the job training courses and seminars. She confesses that in the competitive rush to publish breaking stories, quality and precision suffer as a result. Israyelyan notes that this is a worldwide problem not unique to Armenia. “Regarding the resolution of plagiarism and other ethical issues, I have long ago given up any hope that the answer will come from self-regulation measures. They do not work and experience has shown they aren’t effective. The only solution is to financially penalize those who violate copyright laws. Luckily, such an opportunity now exists with the recent passage of a parliamentary bill,” Israyelyan added. Media specialist Mesrop Harutyunyan proposes a different solution. Just like viewers use the remote control to change the TV channels of those broadcasting tasteless programming, so too must the computer mouse be the first weapon against unscrupulous internet news sites. That’s to say that if readers don’t visit these sites they will wither and die off. “It’s better to educate and reeducate new reporters; by constantly working with them and informing them regarding all possible manners of self-regulation. This starts with educating them as to the rules of ethics and explaining the need for reprimand and other means when these rules are violated,” added Harutyunyan. Photo: A bundle of Soviet newspapers sent to Grandpa Sourik

To add insult to injury. I just saw where an idiotic so called Christian (cultist) says that the name Agri, in that non-language means (mountain of the) Ark. Huhh! Duhh, double duhh! Ark is an Indo-Eurpean (English) word. Ark@gh Արկղ , in Armenian, in the Latin Arcla.

Van to Wan? http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=55832#entry311715 My question was, still is. How will they write wan when there is no W in their alphabet. In another news brief it becomes suspect that the person is Kurdish and wants to reintroduce Kurdish pronunciations .of banned sounds like W Q and X (KH.). Another view from Yerakuyn. I cannot fin d the English. Among the ridiculous suggestion is. Change Agti to Agir. We already know that agri is a corruption of the Ar,menian Agori/Akori ԱԿՈՌԻ ==== http://www.yerakouyn.com/?p=42820 Թուրքիա Կը Վերանուանէ Արեւմտեան Հայաստանի Քաղաքները – 11/08/2013 Թուրքիոյ «Խաղաղութիւն եւ ժողովրդավարութիւն» կուսակցութեան պատգամաւոր Հալիլ Աքսոյը Աղրը շրջանի (Արարատ լերան շրջակայ տարածքները), ինչպէս նաեւ Կարինի` Էրզրումի (ինչպէս թրքերէն կ’անուանեն) անուններու փոփոխման առաջարկ ներկայացուցած է: Ըստ «Երկիր»-ի, որ կը վկայակոչէ Mynet.com-ը՝ Աքսոյը Աղրըն` Ագիրի, Էրզրումը (Կարինը)` Էրզերոմի փոխելու առաջարկ ներկայացուցած է: Թուրքիոյ Ազգային Մեծ ժողովի նախագահութիւնը այս, ինչպէս նաեւ միւս շրջաններու անուանափոխման առաջարկին դրական կը նայի: Յիշեցնենք, որ քանի մը օր առաջ Վանի պատգամաւոր Այսել Թուղլուքը Վան քաղաքը Ուան-ով /Wan/ անուանափոխելու առաջարկ ներկայացուցած էր Թուրքիոյ Ազգային Մեծ ժողովի նախագահութեան:

: Just who is this Auntie Chris? Is she your aunt Christina?

Dwin http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/57/Dvin.jpg (Drawing of the central square of the ancient Armenian capital city of Dvin. The main cathedral of St. Grigor (3rd-5th century), with a small church of St. Sarkis to the right (6th century), and the residence of the Catholicos on the left (5th century) ==== History if Dwin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dvin

,ԵՐԿԻՐ ՆԱԻՐԻ The Land of Rivers. We have already spoken that the Semitic languages (Assyrian) Nahr/Nahir means River.** Ու Նաիրեան աղջիկների հեզաճկուն պա՛րն եմ սիրում: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=384759118284109&set=a.341439515949403.79037.225752094184813&type=1&ref=nf http://hy.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D5%86%D5%A1%D5%AB%D6%80%D5%AB http://www.tacentral.com/erebuni/images/babmap.jpg http://www.tacentral.com/erebuni/nairi.asp http://www.tacentral.com/erebuni/images/babmap.jpg ====== The Nairi Beginning about 2000 BC, the Assyrians used the term "People of the Nairi" to describe the peoples on the Armenian Plateau. The territory and people both were called Nairi, but the word meant "country or land of rivers", and contemporary Assyrian accounts describe about 60 different tribes and small kingdoms and about 100 cities included in this land. Map of Nairi and Urartu The "people" in this description were an alliance of tribes led by a dominant tribe, the Nairi. They were by now more than tribes; they were city-states in a common alliance. The Nairi alliance was based around Lake Van, which together with the Ararat Valley has the most fertile land in Western Asia, as well as the largest mineral deposits in Asia Minor and Mesopotamia. The Nairi were one tribe among many, but their name became synonymous with that for the entire region. From what we know of the tribes at this time, their customs and traditions were similar to others found in Mesopotamia, and they mixed Semitic or Ugaritic origins with their earlier Indo-European genetic and cultural roots. Among the tribes in Nairi was one called Urartu. About the word Nairi: The Armenian letter "i" (sounds like "ee") can be traced to 15th c. BC inscriptions for water. Both the Nairi and the Haius used this sound/symbol, as did the Assyrians. Thus, the word "nair" meant land, and "i" stood for water/rivers. The land of rivers north of Mesopotamia is that between the Euphrates and the Tigris, which flow from tributaries and sources above and below Mount Ararat. Ararat was already known as the mountain of the gods, and the territory was one of the major trade routes from Asia. The Nairi were considered a force strong enough to tackle both the Assyrians and Hittites, and populated a large territory rich in resources. They were attacked by the Assyrian king Tukulti-Ninutra I, and inscriptions found at the Assyrian palace at Assur tell how 43 kings of the lands of Nairi rose up against the Assyrians, were defeated and brought to Assur in chains. The Nairi offered ransom to the king, tribute was extracted from them, and a new honor was added to the official style of the Assyrian king, "king of the lands of Nairi". 　 The Nairi continued to resist Assyrian domination, and a second campaign by the Assyrian king Tiglath-Pileser I (1126-1090 BC) invaded the whole of the western part of the Armenian Plateau from North to South. The Assyrians penetrated into enemy territory to a depth of more than 300 miles. Assyrian annals describe the campaign in part: "…Sixty kings of the lands of Nairi, together with those who came to their aid did I drive with my spear as far as the upper seas (the Black Sea). I captured their great cities, I carried off their riches and their spoils, I gave their dwellings to flames…All the kings of Nairi did I capture alive. But to all these kings I showed mercy…freeing them from their bonds of captivity…" There is no mention in the campaign of the areas around Lake Van, suggesting the Assyrians deliberately avoided the area occupied by the most powerful alliance of tribes. 　 By the 11th c BC, the Nairi were being usurped by the Urartians for hegemony in the region, and Assyrian cuneiform from this period record the first mention of Urartu as a strong power. Other rival tribes (or kingdoms, as they were called) in the area included the Mitanni, southwest of Lake Van, the Manah (around Lake Urmia) and the Diaukhi (around present day Erzurum). The Diaukhi were, at the time of the rise of Urartu, the most powerful political formation of the Nairi. The Assyrians never succeeded in completely subjugating the Nairi, but within 200 years its influence waned through the rise of a related tribe, the Urartu. This early slave-holding state first occupied the territories lying around Lake Van, on the Eastern Shore of which lay its capital, Tushpa (present town of Van). This was the same territory inhabited by the Nairi. As the Urartian kingdom rose to become one of the greatest regional powers in the region, the Nairi gradually disappeared within the limits of the country of Khubushkia, south of Lake Van on the banks of the river Bokhtan-su, though they continued to be mentioned by Assyrian kings until the 8th c BC. The area of present day Armenia was held by the kings of Etwikhi (Etwini). ** Listen to the Eygptian composers AbdelWahab’s classic Nahr el Khaled , the Eternal River, about the Nile http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1jgT9QmmSg

To Believe or Not? Oct. 2013 Census. The official figure is 3 million and 17 thousand? http://www.yerakouyn.com/?p=42808 　 Ազգային վիճակագրական ծառայութեան տուեալներուն համաձայն` Հայաստանի Հանրապետութեան մէջ մշտական բնակչութեան թիւը 1 Հոկտեմբեր 2013-ի դրութեամբ` կը կազմէ 3 միլիոն 17 հազար մարդ: Անցեալ տարուան նոյն ժամանակահատուածին Հայաստանի մշտական բնակչութիւնը կը կազմէր 3 միլիոն 282 հազար մարդ: Ի հարկէ, մինչեւ Դեկտեմբեր 31 կը վերադառնան Հայաստան որոշ թիւով հայեր ` արտագնայ աշխատանքի մեկնածները եւ այլք, Ամանորը տանը տօնելու համար, եւ մշտական բնակչութեան` անցեալ տարուան եւ այս տարուան թիւերու տարբերութիւնը կը նուազի: Բայց 1 Հոկտեմբեր 2013-ի դրութեամբ, համեմատած 2012 թուականի նոյն ժամանակահատուածին հետ, ՀՀ մշտական բնակչութեան թիւի տարբերութիւնը կը կազմէ 265 հազար: Մշտական բնակչութեան թիւը հաշուած է 2011 թուականի մարդահամարի հիմքով՝ ծնածներու, մահացածներու, մեկնածներու եւ վերադարձածներու համապատասխան թիւերը հաշուի առնելով: Իրաքանչիւր մարզի բնակչութեան թիւը տեսնելու համար այցելել հետեւեալ կայքը՝ http://www.yerkir.am/am/news/57901. ինֆոգրաֆիկա is an Armenian word? 　

Yes, dear Mos, it is sad, Ank thank you Hovan for the article. Here is another view at Asbaraz http://asbarez.com/115969/dvin-excavations-yield-more-ancient-artifacts/ http://asbarez.com/App/Asbarez/eng/2013/11/Dvin.jpg Let us see what happened to that Shoe from Areni. http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=18730&page=4entry276191 And see #90 Shegavith Which all but abandoned due to lack of funds.. A cr ying shame, weh we waste zillions od dollars building empty cathedrala in Moscow and Tombultu. Erebuni is in shambles, no one talks about Amberd, left to rot. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amberd

About the author of the article below Verjihan Zilifoglu/Zilfian. Vercihan/Verjihan? You mean Vergine? I have seen her in various Armenian media, like the Armenian Weekly etc. I finally looked up to see who she is. http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=55974#entry311937 In an interview at HETQ http://armenians-1915.blogspot.com/2010/05/3072-i-am-neither-accepted-by-turks-nor.html ===== 3072) "I Am Neither Accepted By Turks Nor Armenians" Vercihan Ziflioglu Vercihan Ziflioglu, a 35 year-old reporter, has been working at "Hurriyet Daily News" for the past twelve years. Her Armenian family name is Zilfian. She was recently in Armenia to cover the events surrounding the 95th Anniversary of the 1915 Genocide. While here, she was kind enough to grant an interview with Hetq. My mother didn't know Armenian well, just the level that was spoken in Anatolia. My father was a fluent speaker, but we didn't live at home with him for too long. I went to school, but conditions for learning Armenian weren't the best. We had nothing, but I had the awareness at an early age to learn. By fifteen, I was reading the Armenian papers "Marmara", "Jamanak" and "Bagin". I and some friends put out a serious Armenian periodical on Istanbul Armenian writers. It was called "Nor San" and lasted some ten years. Then it closed down; everyone moved to different countries. We were in the first group at "Agos". I wrote a column there and then moved to the Turkish press. Conditions are better for reporters in the Turkish press. If I stayed with the Armenian papers I wouldn't have reached anywhere. I had goals and was able to find my spot in the larger press field. You have to think more and do more. If I had stayed in that little group of ours, I would have had the same thoughts for years. I was really interested to know what the Turkish press was thinking. There is no such thing as the Armenian press in Istanbul anymore. "Agos" doesn't only cover news about Armenians. What it does isn't reportage. As a reporter you must be impartial. "Hurriyet" was important for me because it was the leader when it came to covering issues of the national minorities. I faced many difficulties over the years, but gradually, I get my point across even to the most nationalist of individuals because I disseminate news. For example, 3-4 years ago I started a series regarding the road travelled by Armenians in the Ottoman era. They found it strange that I should write such a thing. They had no idea what Armenians had accomplished during that period. Then, one day, a fervent nationalist began writing about me, saying how lucky they were to have Verjihan, so that now we can understand what happened during the Ottoman era. Sometimes, the Turks alter the news. Here, in Armenia, they think that it's done on purpose with enmity. Yes, sometimes they have nefarious aims but other times they just don't understand. But I can use both sides in my news items. I see it all and can comment in an appropriated manner. There's an advantage to being in the middle of both sides. But it's also problematic. Neither the Turks nor Armenian accept me. I have no identity, no religion, as a reporter. The news is what's important to me because that's how I'll get by. The Turk wants a Turkish reporter to write and the Armenian wants me to be silent and not to write. You will see the mistakes of the Istanbul Armenian community over time, but the community doesn't accept its mistakes. They see you as a lamb that has gone astray and they start to label you; a "spy" and who knows what. And the Turkish side gradually starts to open up and thinks more deeply. Do you feel that you are being used by the Turkish press? Some Dashnak guys ask me the same question. If you have this mentality, as an Armenian why can't you comprehend the fact that your forbearers founded papers in Anatolia and helped develop the Turkish press? Why is it that we always see ourselves as being used? Isn't it better to swim in a big sea and tell others who you are and what you have done? I voluntarily switched over to the Turkish press. If you have a brain and use it, then no one can use you. In your opinion, are the Armenian and Turkish societies ready to freely relate? Armenians and Turks will intermingle. There will be literary and artistic events, concerts. There is an Armenian community in Istanbul of 50,000. Armenia now says there are 15,000 of its own citizens in Turkey, but I believe the figure is more. Turks are more intimate with Armenians from the RA and not just due to "football diplomacy" but much earlier. Serzh Sargsyan came after Levon Ter-Petrosyan and Kocharyan. We only see what is presented to us but there is much more. The Armenian and Turkish communities will be able to unite in the near future but what is more important is a final verdict on the events of 1915. We must start talking, sharing our pain, as to what happened. The issue must be given closure in order to create friendship. It will be very difficult. Armenia must craft a culture and the youth must change many things. They must look to the future more boldly and not be used by others, but rather use others themselves. Both in Armenia and in the Istanbul Armenian community, we live with pain. My forbears lived such pain. I wasn't dropped from the heavens. It's sad but how many days can I relive the Genocide. They have turned me into a lamb. One mustn't constantly grieve. They have turned it into something psychological. We must be saved from that. For example, I was visiting the Genocide Museum here. A family had brought along a five or six year-old boy and telling him - See...a genocide happened. Fine, tell about it, but it's not asthma. You will be creating a sick new generation that won't be able to look to the future. They will always be in the midst of grief. The West has come a long way and is no longer operates on emotions. Things have changed in the 21st century. We must change much in our lives. Perhaps the pain will soften when Turkey recognizes the Genocide and apologizes. Why is everything we do linked to Turkey? For example, if Turkey were to one day recognize the Genocide, what will we do? We will create something new. Now, we are all focused on the Genocide. Armenians and Turks are quite similar; the same glances, the same craziness. Even the mentalities are the same. Only in the political and "elite" strata are there differences. Thetwo sides will enter a stage of even greater nationalism. I came to Armenia in 2008; during an interview with the Dashnaks I asked one how he perceived me. He simply laughed and replied that in his eyes, I was a Turk. Yes, I am a citizen of Turkey on paper, my official nationality is Turkish. But I am Armenian. If I go to Turkey and ask "who am I", they will answer, "you are a national minority". If I come to Armenia, I also become a minority. Wherever you go, you will become a minority, Do you ever harbor fears that Turkish nationalists might one day cause you harm? Have there been such threats? What can they do? Threats are made but it is normal. In the end, every field of work has its consequences. Reporters must use their pencils very adroitly. You can use a sharp word or a rather delicate one in order to get a story told.

　 　 Above we spoke about the 5 Melikdoms.Kingdoms if you will, Princedoms/Principalities of Artsakh, sometimes known as Khamsayi Melikutiunner@. In particular we were talking about Khachen that some say is called Karvajar now. Note. Once again, khamsa is an Arabic word meaning five. The reason being that most of the information is from Arab historians. Here are those five. If the system will not open each separately go to the URL below and see. Including their maps. ====== Armenian Melikdoms Five principalities of Karabakh (Gyulistan, Jaraberd, Khachen, Varand, Dizaq), the last relict of Armenian statehood (16th century) Princedom Khachen existed until 16th–17th century and has broken up into five small princedoms ("melikdoms"): Giulistan or Talish Melikdom included the territory from Ganja to the bed of the River Tartar. Dzraberd or Charaberd Melikdom was situated in the territory stretching from the River Tartar to the River Khachenaget. Khachen Melikdom existed in the territory from the River Khachenaget to the River Karkar. Varanda[disambiguation needed] Melikdom included the territory from Karkar to the southern side of Big Kirs mountain. Dizak Melikdom stretched from the southern slope of Big Kirs mountain to the River Arax ========= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Nagorno-Karabakh In addition, see the History od Artsakh , including the etymology of the name. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artsakh 　

We are so clueless and careless, I mean we don’t care. We are so haphazard. We don’t give a thought before we act from the seat of our pants. No research on history and geography is conducted before we name and rename our towns and villages.. Karvachar? What in the world does it mean? Where does it come from? Armenians are so stupid. An attempt to armeianize furkish names like kelbajar to Armenian Karvachar? The historic Armenian name of that town was Khachen. We take Khachen-kelb***ajar and rename it karvajar just to imitate and rhyme wit the furkish name. . HUH!! Stone merchant??*** The former name of the village is Djabrail, now it is called Djrakan, you can find it on Google map. jebrail was known Vardanakert historically.; http://www.armsite.com/maps/arshakunians.phtml http://www.armsite.com/maps/mshow.phtml?when=arshakunians&slide=3 Kelbajar-Խաչէն, Փայտաակարան Jebrail- Վարդանակերտ ---- Azizbekov? Now renamed Vayots Dzor Who the h**** is was azizbekov? An asszeri communist activist, A contemporary and comrade in arms of Shahumian?(another sore subject) who shared the latter’s fate in 1918. http://www.armenica.org/history/maps/241soviet_armenia.gif We are so lackadaisically politically and emotionally motivated, with very little or no intellectuality. jalaloghlu (until 1923) now Stepanavan, historically was known as Tashir-Dzoraget. In 1938 we renamed it Stepanavan in honor of that commie clown. Besides we named a million other places for him, like Shahumian, Stepanakert (Historic Vararakn) etc. When we lost that inanely named northern district of Artsakh we inanely, without batting an eye moved it south west and renamed Khachen- shahumian. Will someone please tell me who the h*** he is? How many places did he sleep at?. See Washington Slept Here. According to legend he may have slept in my backyard.** We took chanakhchi , the birthplace of Sevak , historic Avetaranots and renamed it Sovetashen, now, once again named Sevak. Who are we kidding? We take Gumri/Elizathvol rename it leninakan, , Vanadzor (karakilisa, kirovakan) back to vanadzor To not forget all those places named noyemberian, oktemberian, et al . How can we forget lenin square, renamed Republic Square. statue of stalin now renamed Mother Armenia.We Shall we continue? WHO THE HELL IS STEPAN SHAHUMIAN that a million places are named for? We renamed historical Tigranaket, aka the furkish aghdam Akn/aghn to just imitate and rhyme with the A name. Don’t we have other heroes. To not forget that other Idependant Armenian Land Artsakh is still referred to as kara%*&%@ whatever not only by us mere mortals but by our so called intellectuals and the official sites of the REPUBLIC. What is next? Are we going to rename our towns and villages Putingrad or Obamaland? http://www.nkrusa.org/ Also see this http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=16282&page=4&hl=kelbajar#entry297655 ** http://connecticuthistory.org/george-washington-slept-here-just-perhaps-not-well/ ***No wonder some call Hyastan Karastan/StoneLand.

　 At the comments section there are some valid points., even if most of them emphasizing the religious aspect of the issue, very few if any talking about language., and other cultural issues. One observation is the total silence of the church and hierarchy. Some say, If they say they are Armenian then they are Armenian regardless of religion or culture. Will we accept them as they are? Will we let them build a grand mosque in Vagharshapat ? Regardless of what I have said in the past, I must give credit to Gadarigian for a well balanced article. One commentator makes a valid observation, that we should use the term "turkified" , not Islamized as many of us live in Islamic countries with no pressure, be it open or tacit to convert. All in all it is a good projrct as according to the article many so called so far hidden Islamized Armenians attended the conference. It seems to be a good beginning.

A better view http://www.habeeb.com/images/lebanon.jounieh.09.harissa.jpg

They should have placed it next to this HARISSA Guardian Protectress near Junieh http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/31/Harissa_-_Lady_of_Lebanon_%284011272632%29.jpg/640px-Harissa_-_Lady_of_Lebanon_%284011272632%29.jpg 　

In fact մոլախոտ is specific to the likes of marijuana or other dopes, the general term for weed is որոմ (v)orom

Yes, we ate it too, either raw or cooked. It grows like a weed. Also see what I said about its Armenian name, փիփերթ/ pipert or molosh(Russian) BTW The Armenian word for weed is մոլախոտ molakhot

Dear Onjig, I don't think you understood what I said above, that what you call cumach is in fact komej Please search ebegumeci or komec turkish malva and see ebegumeci-komec.

Այո, սիրելի Յովան, ես մի քիչ տաքարիւն եմ, չեմ կարող հանդուրժել եւ լուռ մնամ, երբեմն հայհոյեմ երբ մեր բարեկամները մեզ ասեն որ դօլման, (լից, լցոն) իբր թէ ուրարտա հայերէն բառ է: Միթ՞է սա դոլմա պախջէն ՀայՊալատ, կամ Հայերէ՞ն բառ է: Լցոնած այգի: Տես թէ ճարտարապետը ով էր: Ինչ՞ու այդ պալատը այդպէս է կոչուել: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolmabah%C3%A7e_Palace 　

Speaking of cotton. Btw, did I say , yes I did, not completely that the word cotton is from the Egypto-Arabic . What we call Ktav Կտաւ linen is known as keten in Perso=furkish. ** http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=54864&page=1entry310335 http://www.nayiri.com/imagedDictionaryBrowser.jsp?dictionaryId=7&pageNumber=1380 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cotton ==== The English name derives from the Arabic (al) qutn قُطْن, which began to be used circa 1400 AD.[2] The Spanish word, "algodón", is likewise derived from the Arabic. ===== **Search and see how many keten-ji- Ketenjian-s there are. Turkish To English - ketenci linen weaver; seller of linen cloth Then what is the Armenian word ԲԱՄԲԱԿ that seems to have no relation to cotton. Banba in Persian پنبه http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D5%A2%D5%A1%D5%B4%D5%A2%D5%A1%D5%AF http://www.nayiri.com/imagedDictionaryBrowser.jsp?dictionaryId=7&pageNumber=406 　

　 Փիփերթազգիներ http://hy.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D5%93%D5%AB%D6%83%D5%A5%D6%80%D5%A9%D5%A1%D5%A6%D5%A3%D5%AB%D5%B6%D5%A5%D6%80 Փիփերթ Malva: Բազմամյա և միամյա խոտաբույսեր են: Պտուղը բազմաբաժան կուտ է: Որոշ տեսակներ մոլախոտեր են: Also see that Hibiscus and Cotton are of the same family Բաղրջուկ Hibiscus - Միամյա և բազմամյա խոտաբույսեր են և թփեր: Բամբակ Grossypium: - Ծառեր և թփեր են: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hibiscus

One dictionary says it is molosh/Մոլոշ in Armenian. To me it sounds Russian. See Փիփերթ http://www.encyclopedia.am/pages.php?bId=2&hId=837 　 http://bararanonline.com/%D5%B4%D5%B8%D5%AC%D5%B8%D5%B7 մոլոշ - բացատրություն ի, գ. Նույնն է Փիփերթ, Բացել գրքի էջը Փոփոխել Հայտնել սխալի մասին մոլոշ - հոմանիշներ 1) գ. (բսբ.) Աղճկուտակ, աղճկտակ, աղճկտատ, բաղրճուկ, եղիճկտուկ, եղնճկտատ, ճնճնդկաբլիթ, ճնճղահաց, հացուպանիր, քաթաթուկ, կուտատուկ: 2) տես Փիփերթ: Փոփոխել Հայտնել սխալի մասին մոլոշ - ռուսերեն թարգմանություն ի (բսբ.) Мальва.

I hate to do this, it is furkish I corrupted the URL but see /ebegumeci-komec .deliciousnotdelicious.com/2012/04/ebegumeci-komec

OK, I think I know what Onjig is saying is komec/kormej http://medusa.maich.gr/medrecords/send_full_record?genus=Malva&record_id=2423

Thank you again. Now I see that it means born, not dead. Where would we be without our intellectual friends from Aleppo? Still speaking that dolma and basturma are Armenian words?