anoush.

I just explained the reason why, hagarag. Or did my point miss your attention about how the jews are the main enemy and the main obstacle to the Armenian cause and Armenian Genocide recognition? They were also the main agitators perpetrators of the Genocide Proof has been posted and much of it later deleted by moderators. That is why attention must be fixed on the jews. Again, KNOW YOUR ENEMY!

hagarag just admitted to being a jew. "Many others whom I know personally (family and friends)"

Better question to you, Harut, is didn't your grandfather or grandmother tell you that jews did indeed point out hiding places of Armenians to the turks? Or if you have family in Artsakh, they were at it again, pointing out the Armenians to the azeris?? Did you know that this is TRUE???? Now you are going to tell me that tellig the truth about REAL events is anti-Semitism? What kind of nonsense is that???

In reality, there is NO such thing as a half jew because products of such unions become jews. Period.

I also find it intriguing that after 87 years of failure to bring the perpetrators to justice in "Nuremberg" trials for those responsible and failure to have Armenian land returned or compensation, anyone would be foolish enough to say we have to keep on with our failed policies. Diplomacy and being nice and not saying anything has NOT worked!

Again, as was said before, why is it that you are worried about how Armenians "look"???? Do you think for one minute the jews worry about how they look when they make nice with turks and azeris and help the turks deny the Armenian Genocide? If you're tired of a subject, then why are you here posting and discussing on it if not just to be the jewish defense league of the "Hye" forum????? Extensive and considerable proof has been presented and then deleted that the main, primary obstacle to the Armenian cause and Armenian Genocide recognition is jews. Now why would we be silent about that and why would any Armenian in his or her right mind continue in the face of this massive evidence to say "what's it gonna look like?" True it's disgusting what the jews are doing, but they ARE doing it! Do NOT blame the messenger rather than the perpetrator! What kind of "logic" is that?

Winston, BTW read AR's post. Is that from Mein Kampf? Or a white supremacist site? Answer honestly please IF that's possible for you.

Sorry Winston, your backward talk translations do not work for LIES. That's retarded and you know it. I say what I say up front and clearly, unlike you who has to resort to pretense and LIES, deflection and sidestepping.

Domino, We all know you continually and shamelessly lie! You lied about not making posts anymore to me, now you conduct some stoopid poll, trying to call in and rally all your "friends" to your defense since you are hopeless against us and the truth. Do you seriously expect that votes by jews and chinese count for what Armenians want??? Your worst lie was saying that ISA wants to kill you. He doesn't want to kill you, but he does want to hurt you!

The one who calls yourself ASALA, real ASALA would spit on you! Domino - excellent post. Anoush> Domino, stooopid post, deflecting and sidestepping as always. Additionally, I told you that if you can't say it to my face on April 24, then don't say it on the Net! We also must not forget Moganthau, Charney, Wielsel, Werful, and the very many more (remember the 200+ signatures form Academics 2 years ago? - a very many were Jewish). And the list could go on and on. Anoush> We give credit where credit is due and it is the TRUTH that the vast majority of jews support turks and azeris and Armenian Genocide denial, they sit and let israel officially deny the Armenian Genocide and let their organizations work for the turks, azeris and Armenian Genocide denial. Fact, not prejudice or anything else! Some of us have the maturity of perspective to understand that you cannot just whitewash an entire group/race/religion etc with such negative stereotypes and attribute nastyness to the entire group (this goes for Jews, Turks, Armenians or whoever). We have the maturity to call a spade a spade and admit what is really happening. Others choose to make excuses, excuses, excuses. Obviously Israel and certain Jewish groups and some - perhaps even many (though I doubt it) Jews have aligned themselves with the Turkish government effort to deny the Genocide - for various reasons - real-politic, exclusivisity of the Holocaust - or whatever. It is not SOME jewish groups, but ALL major jewish groups and jews just allow these organizations to continue and they support their dirty work. FACT! Again, you are making excuses for them. Those excuses are unacceptable! But this is not the whole story - obviously. And when it gets to the level of denying the Holocaust ("they" call it "holohoax" and the like) and blaming the Jews for their own destruction (and who/what does that sound like - as Armenians we have heard such before) - and blame Jews for everying else wrong in the world and in history etc and constantly attribute to this one race behaviors and such that are just purely evil (synagog of Satan and filfth/trash etc etc) - well then it should be clear where such people are comming from - and it is an inditement against those who make such absurd claims - not one against the people they are making these claims against. Anoush> We give credit where credit is due and the truth of the matter is that jews are rarely victims, but rather victimizers and it's obvious to anyone with any degree of mental clarity. I know that excludes YOU! And it is clear that these types are also of the same mentality of those who would deny the Genocide and hate a particualr race and be racist against them - as we Armenians often hear from braionwashed Turks - atttributing to Armenians as a race all sorts of ills and responsibilities for acts and behaviors to justify acts againsts us and to dehumanize us. As Armenians we shoulld be particualrly sensitive and rejecting of such ugly attitudes - IMO. Anoush> Telling the truth is NOT racism, no matter how hard you try to twist the facts. And if Jews cannot see the same - based on their similar experiences - well then I say it is our role to show them what we have learned - tolerance and understanding for people who are different and compassion for suffering. And in fact - from my exposure - most Jews understand this well - and are highly sympathetic of our plight and of our experience with the Genocide and its denial. Anoush> jews are gonna do what jews are gonna do. Unless you make things uncomfortable for them, they will continue what they are doing and you'd like to make it comfortable for them. Your failed tactics have failed for 87 years. Enough is enough! Obviously we must not be blinded to politics and the actions of groups who would wish us ill - but there is no need to generalize against an entire race of people etc (I don't know how many times I have made such a post as this to these people - and to them it makes me a "Jew lover" [as if that is necesirily a bad thing) or worse - "traitor", "JDL member" etc etc is what I hear. Anoush> We do not generalize, we give credit where credit is due! Obviously anyone with any brains can see who is lacking of understanding of things and who works against our people. Anoush> Yep, that's you once again! So again I say - we must not just sit by and be silent - we must actively reject these people and their twisted ideas. To not do so is tantamount to "saying nothing" when they singled out and shipped off the Jews and when they marched the Armenians away. Anoush> You're the one with twisted ideas, who defends jews no matter how wrong they are. Don't pretend to be on some high moral ground, you don't deserve it, neither do jews deserve to be protected from their wrongdoing, your denials of their wrongdoing notwithstanding. turkey and azerbaijan gain from YOUR foolish defense of their best allies, not from our exposing them! More LIES, more backward talk. Sorry, no sale!

Did YOU vote Domino???? NO jews allowed! Don't make me laugh, you're not gonna get a bunch of jews and a chink to vote for what Armenians want.

Where did A.R. say that hagarag? I think Arabs are the remedy for jews! Can't wait for them to get really, really pissed!

Again, how many times do I have to tell you, say it to my face. Not on the Net KKKoward!

What are you soooooooo amused about? It is obvious you are projecting your own inadequacies and failures onto Armenians. While a very, very, very small amount of Armenians acted badly mixing with jews, most did NOT and remain without the taint of genocidal genes.

You're funny hagarag. I had NO feeling one way or the other about jews until I learned what they were doing against the Armenian cause and against the Serbian Christians...I need NO exucuses for NOTHING and you can keep your BS nonsense! In fact, I once thought they were entitled to their state of israel until I learned what they had done to obtain it.

WOW !!! That was not hard right ? The next time you would write such trash, you should at least post a note with it Copyrighted Edward. So in some, Thorny is a Turkish agent, and from when a Turkish agent give personal informations about herself ? Is that sound logical ? I guess you learned from Edward conspiracy theories, Thorny the Turkish agent paied to corrupt the Armenian males. LOL You sound more paranoiac then rational. Anoush> Nope, NOT copyrighted by Edward. I know for a fact that we were on to the turk fleabag LONG before Edward ever was, and I am NOT talking about AR. You continue, cover for her and be her advocate, but it makes you look stooopid in front of Armenians. What I wrote is an observation based on her long history for nearly 3 years and the results she obtains, which are obvious to anyone observant enough to see what she is all about. BWAHAHAHA !!! Never attacked Mariquis but called him Turkish monkey occasionaly... BWAHAHAHA... so calling him a Turkish Monkey is not attacking him ? Try harder my dear Anoush Lezou Anoush> I don't have to "try" anything or justify my interaction with Marquis. Like I told you, ask HIM...we are not asking YOU, a proven liar. But Anoush dear, were you not the one that wrote above Why do insist I have a "gang" rather than admit that we are separate individuals who have many of the same beliefs and who also don't tell each other what to do, but each does as each feels is right. Separate individuals ? But then you say the same mind here. No ? You want that your friends and you be treated each individually and here you write all of you have the same mind etc... is this not a contradiction ? Anoush> No there is NO contradiction there whatsoever. Separate individuals fighting for the same cause, each doing what he or she feels is right and correct! More then this. You want all the land back ? But Anoush dear, if that happen Armenians will be a minority in their own country... Is that what you want ? Or are you suggesting to deport these millions of Kurds and Turks ? How would it make you any different then the Ittihadists or the Kemalists that wanted to get rid of the Armenians ? Anoush> Now you are agreeing with turks and jews, that Armenians have NO right to their own land. It is NONE of your business, as a jew, what Armenians do or don't do with their own land, NONE NONE NONE! They will get it back, not ifs ands or buts. This is an extremely revealing statement you made! You are sick Anoush and really pathetic... I assure you dear Anoush that your A.R. will past the worst days of his life if your I don't care will make his big mouth continue again and again... Anoush> I already told you that I realize no one HATES like a jew, which is what you are and your ill wishes towards Armenians. And again, I never tell him what to do, he is a man of his own mind which I respect. And I am saying this in an Armenian board, and the Armenians here are withnnesses here, and they know and WILL know what your gang is doing or could do to her. But you don't teach me anything new when you say you don't care. Because afterall, when have you ever cared for the Armenian cause ? Anoush> We aren't doing a damn thing to her, it is her choice to continue her turk games. I know that Armenians are also witness here to your statement that they shouldn't get their own land back also. If I were half-Jew, Jew, Turk, Half-Turk, Half-anything, it would have made no any difference at ALL... because I would still be human, and your racist views would not change anything Anoush> YOUR racist views and jew BS changes NOTHING, gadoon bargen toors e! Dear, dear and dear... Me not wanting to say you these things on your face has nothing to do with bravery but rather intelligence, a Wise man won't heart himself for something that is against his values... I am not the one saying I am brave or not, so I wont prove something that I didnt said. Anoush> You have proven you have NO wisdom, no honesty and no courage. Do not say to me or any of us on the Net what you refuse to say to our faces. Case closed! On the other hand dear Anoush, it was your A.R. that was trying to show how Brave he was, and he was also the one that by fear didnt wanted to meet one of the Youngest Armenians on the Internet. I would show bravery for something that worth it, you do not worth my bravery. Anoush> Sure, sure...he is going to go to California just to meet a traitor! On the other hand, you are unwilling to meet us in your own hometown of Montreal! Yes he is afraid, idiots like you exist, and I understand his fear, I can not garantee security against idiots like you... going with a Turk would be a valid justification to go there. And do you know why ? Because a Turk that will decide to go there in the memory of the Armenian victims, will do it not because of some sort of pic-nic experience or a kind of mass celebration, but rather for the true purpose of what should be a 24 April. Anoush> If he was a repentant turk honoring Armenian victims he would have NOTHING to fear! Do rediculise me dear please Anoush, I have to give you something, when you say my debates are weak... you are right, my debates are weak with peoples of your kind, because less there is rationality on the other side, less a debate can exist and less my ability to debate is weak. Anoush> You have NO defense against truth! I do not support based on fealings(like you do) but based sur la Raison... well my argument sound here weak, because I wont say much more, I could bring everything destroying your allegations one by one, you are blind, it wont change anything... again call it weakness, and I admit it is a weakness from my part, I never was able to argument correctly with someone that is unable to resonate, so sorry dear Anoush. Anoush> Again, there is NOTHING to argue about since you have proven you will defend jew wrongdoing against the Armenian people and the Armenian cause no matter what and you will NOT do it face to face even. You just keep repeating yourself, just continue with the personal comments since the facts you cannot contest since they are truthful and factual! Again, case closed!

"your ilk" that is nonsense and foolishness. You blindly defend every single wrongdoing of jews no matter what and you attack Armenians for doing so, you put the defense of jews over and above anything else. I'd rather be "our ilk" than yours any day! You would do anything for jews, we would do anything for Hayastan.

jdl/jewish defense league is anyone who puts aside ANY AND ALL other considerations to defend jews! Especially those who troll sites looking for criticism of jew wrongdoing. That fits you to a "t"!

I LOVED your lame explanation of how your forum went pfffffffft! That was cute! ================================================== Yes I did... before explaining you how I did... lets point out something for you about your "Testatment." "Go ahead and give it your all...it will just be another proof and testament that jews cannot stand up to truth and to scrutiny and we will just open up another forum. However, we do have an archivist that will prevent any loss of information. Periodically, that info has to be brought up to the front anyways. So you are accomplishing NOTHING by closing down any forums. That just makes you and yours look bad." Now people wonders why one of A.R posts has been edited with a note, by the demand of forum users... people should also know what for, in order to have a fair view of what kind of person your gangis. Now lets take your logic from the quote of yours I refered above. Anoush> Now what does your BS have to do with anything about AR? Why do insist I have a "gang" rather than admit that we are separate individuals who have many of the same beliefs and who also don't tell each other what to do, but each does as each feels is right. now read well Marie. Your buddie's threats against Thorny(yes an ex-member of this board) are proof and testatment that they can't tolerate a Turk that doesn't serve their purposes and falls out of the cathegory that serves their purposes and your gang don't know what to do. Anoush> Thorny is a fake, Thorny is a turk agent and I don't care what you say to deny it. Thorny serves no other purpose than to divert discussion and she tries to make everything about HER and HER concerns and making gullible, stoopid males drool over her in the hope to make turks seem like decent, normal human beings rather than the genocidal savages they are. She fills forums full of her self agrandizing BS and is there to fool people into believing she suppports Armenians when the fact of the matter is, and you cannot deny it, she stabs Armenians in the back whenever she can. I gave you a perfect example and you cannot deny that it happened. How Marquis a TURK reacted to your demands... you guys even found reasons to attack him. Anoush> I have NEVER attacked Marquis, ask him! I may have called him a monkey occasionally when he said something stooopid, but you go ahead and ask him. Now like I said people should have a fair description of what you guys do as hobby. Anoush> We have NO hobbies on the Internet. That is unlike you and your "gang" whose hobby is drool all over a turk savage. We have one mind, one goal and that is universal recognition of the Armenian Genocide and the complete and total return of Armenian land to Armenians, as well as whatever is good for the betterment of the Armenian people. The "Thorny" that your boddies tried to put her life in danger, spent hours and hours to translate a site about Armenians without waiting any reward and has done it nearly in secret without expecting any thanks, this Thorny that your boddies have threatened and put her life in danger, has build a forum about the two new movies that bothers the Turkish establishment so much... and this is only 2 things amongs others that this Thorny has done, she also has done another important thing and will do others, in total she has done for the Armenian cause more then YOU or your boddies have done and taking in account of what type of individuals you are, I can also say more things that you ever will do. Anoush> I have no reason or no need to care what happens to a turkish agent. Tell the witch to stop trolling Armenian sites and she might do better. Now I repeat the first part. "Your buddie's threats against Thorny(yes an ex-member of this board) are proof and testatment..." that you are acting against the Armenian cause, you go and traces every moderate Turks(specialy Thorny)and attack them, and even to the point of threatning them, and after you dare to call my action a testatment ? Anoush> Your support of this savage PROVES beyond doubt that jews and turks are the SAME SAME SAME! I am glad you finally owned up to your lies and deceptions and admitted your are a half jew. Well you wanted your answer about April 24 ? Well I will tell it to you. No I will not meet you there, I know who worth a visit and who dosn't, your A.R that is showing how he is couragious refused to meet one of the youngest Armenians in the Internet and feared to meet others... So talking about "Daring to meet" you should take a look at your bodies, me not wanting to meet you is not a contradiction of my own values, because I am a pacifist and meet people for discussions and passing good times, I do not lose my time to meet idiots. On the other hand your A.R that has shown so much courages and from the beginning always said to others, dare to meet me... refused to meet one of the youngest Armenians in the Internet... Thats a contradiction. Anoush> Why do you tie in what you perceived happened with AR with your cowardice to say all of the garbage to our faces there in Montreal? Because you are nothing but a coward, who feels all brave and mighty hiding behind his computer. I was supposed to be at the event of 24 April, with a Turk, finnaly this Turk changed his mind by fear of being harassed, then I have no reason to go there, and more, I have less reason to go there to meet an individual like you. Anoush> Who else would you be with other than a turk???? I am not surprised that on the commemoration of the Armenian Genocide on April 24th you would want to be with your turk friend and will stay away since your turk friend is also afraid to go. So now tell me dear Marie, who really sound more redicule eh ? Anoush> Honestly, your excuses and drivel are pathetic, but I will not ridicule you as much as you deserve it. Your ability to debate has always been quite weak. Do I fear your ilk ? Yes ! I said it in the past, there is nothing to be embarassed of fearing people that bring hate, our Society fear diseases, those that mean they don't try to fight these diseases ? And your kind are diseases of our society, I fear them ? Yes ! But I fight them... and you are on my way, but contrary to you, I do not uses physical violence or physical threat. Anoush> Sure thing, being a jew, I am sure you consider Christians a disease as is truth in your mind. You hate us for exposing you and cornering you with your LIES. Telling the truth is NOT hate, no matter how you lamely try to say it or squirm around. But that's just backward talk, when the fact of the matter is that those who would be enemies of the Armenian people and those who would defend those enemies are a DISEASE! Now argue about that one! You never ADDRESS issues or facts, just engage in personal BS attacks and lame insult. Odd, a disease is what jews call Palestinians. But we alredy know that no one hates more than a jew and no one is more racist than a jew.

You never answered about April 24th Domino!?

Is that dead place an example of what you'd like to turn this forum into?

An idea Domino! If you want to have your private place where you can talk with people just DYING to talk to you and learn your wisdom where you can block anyone you wish, why not go here!? http://www.network54.com/Hide/Forum/71783

armenians.com/forum is a forum and do you know what a forum is ? If you want to write something destinated only to me you can PM me, this is why PM's exist afterall. Anoush> It's apparent YOU don't know what a forum is. It is a place for free and honest discussion and debate. It is not the place to arrange for private chats and messaging as you have suggested. Let it ALL be out in the open as I have NO desire for private communication unless it is face to face. First of all you know like me that I have no proof for what I am saying, because you know like me that all the trash ISA and you have trown have been deleted again and again while Edward forums were each time deleted, and you know also that your own forum has been also deleted, I guess I don't need to tell you that I was one of the responsable if not the major responsable of the closure of your forum... Anoush> Funny, isn't it that you conveniently blame censoring for your inability to produce proof. It is you who are suggesting censoring which is the highest form of FACISM. And tell us, please, what happened with Edward...did he not realize that it was WE who were correct? Did not Frank, Hyefedayi and others also come to realize that the information we were sharing was TRUTH and not hate? You would like to take responsibility for the closure of the forum, fine, perhaps it was your calling in the jewish defense league or the anti-defamation league, all of which DENY the Armenian Genocide and support turks. Fine friends you have. The old Armenian saying, "Tell me who your friends are and I'll tell you who you are" speaks volumes here. Now we have my words against yours... From one side I have no reason to lie unlike you, your gang here on this board have already caracterised the Jews as garbage etc... so why would I build something new when the bottle of Zyklon B, with the "Happy Holocaust" has been already refered ? Why would I need to lie ? Tell me. Anoush> The reason why ALL jews and/or pro-jews lie is to try to defend jews and cover for them and make excuses for them and do damage control, those same jews who have made themselves enemies of the Armenian people and the Armenian cause. Give me one valid reason that could justify what you call a lie, when after every things that have been refered about your so-called group, people on this board have an idea of what kind of person you are. Anoush> You want a definition of what a lie is? You sound like KKKlinton, "What is is?" Typical LOOOOSER tactic. There IS ONE VALID REASON that one could attact me the way I have been attacked from your fascist friends, and it would be for my researchs about the Armenian genocide, the attacks against my person comming from your poppies sides could only be compared with the death threats I recieved from some Azeris fanatics... Anoush> Nope, and you know that is a BLATANT LIE! I have NO fascist friends, but you're a fascist. You know as well as anyone the problem with you is your blind defense of jews and attacking Armenians in the defense of jews, NOTHING else. At least you finally admitted you are a half jew. So A.R is Armenian ? He know Armenian ? Well lets give a try eh ? Bring him here and lets him write in latin alphabet his Armenian... I see no reason even if an Armenian would be a fanatic like Artur for example, to attack me the way you friends have done, with direct death threats and trying to release informations about me... Anoush> You were the one doing all the threatening, you admitted yourself that you made efforts to have my forum closed because you just couldn't leave it alone. Even now, you cannot tolerate the fact that I am able to speak freely. Why is that? So A.R is for our cause you say ? Well you know like me what your A.R has done, threatning the Turks that recognise the genocide, would an Armenian do this ? Anoush> You will have to prove that one and if you are talking about the fleabag, that is NOT valid because she is a turkish agent pretending to give support while all the time showing her true colors and feelings when push comes to shove. Your blind defense of her, again the Armenian saying comes to mind. "Tell me who your friends are and I'll tell you who you are." You'd like people to buy her fake, phony song and dance, but she was all too happy to come against us and say that Armenians have NO right to their land back, it belongs to whoever lives on it. Now that is a friend to Armenians? I think NOT! Use your brain a little Anoush, I know you are the most intelligent of the group, use your brain ONCE. Why would an Armenian attack a Turk that recognise the genocide and try to put this Turk life in danger ? Would that be the act of an Armenian ? Anoush> Ditto what I said above. We all know how all your hate against me started, of course when I was doing new findings you were the first one asking me references, and when I refused to give them to you, poor Marie started to scream like an... Anoush> I don't hate you, but I do find your defense and blind loyalty to jews above anyone or anything else most disgusting! There is no other reason other than what I told you up front and above board. You think that everyone has hidden agendas like you and your turk and jew friends? You guys even attacked the likes of you that are Armenians, its unbelievable, you even attacked Edward, the same Edward with his World Jewish conspiracy theories, or Steve(note for others. The Steve in question is not the same Steve as the member of this board) the double personality guy. Anoush> As you know, Edward saw that we were right. We never attacked Edward, but we did protest when he went along with the fascism of you and your friends. But he learned since his loyalty is to Armenia and no one else. What does Steve the bipolar have to do with anything? Now some news for you... I can also threaten people, I know your A.R is around 28 years old, I know exaclly what area your A.R live, I know he uses Sprint as provider, I know he use the fast speed Static IP Internet service from that compagny. And I have news for you, I have contacted the provider from the rules of his contract he havnt respected, I even have shown the prove to some, THOTH can confirm it, they asked me to forward it to another service that has as charge to investigate these things. I guess you know I am not joking, now I havent done it yet, I decided to wait a little. And it is also apparent that your friend A.R has learned just recently how to use Proxies, I just wonder why he has just learned this now, he should go learn a little more what a computer is before attacking and making threats to people using a static IP Internet service and then learn later what a Proxie is(he should have learned before attacking). So you see Marie I can also make threats to people to shut them up, Anoush> I know it's not the first time you threatened anyone and that you have nothing else and that also, you afraid to see us face to face because you don't have the guts to say it to our faces. Will you be at the April 24th events there in Montreal? I have enough of your ilks and their pre-teen like posts... Now guess why your A.R forum is not shut down, I can shut it down tomorow if I would like to, like I have done it with yours... Now I will just ask you kindly without making noises to leave this forum and close the dore quitly after you quit and bring your friends with you... and then I hope the moderators will just delet this thread as well as the others destinated to forum members. Anoush> Go ahead and give it your all...it will just be another proof and testament that jews cannot stand up to truth and to scrutiny and we will just open up another forum. However, we do have an archivist that will prevent any loss of information. Periodically, that info has to be brought up to the front anyways. So you are accomplishing NOTHING by closing down any forums. That just makes you and yours look bad. My best regard to you dear Marie. Anoush> Regards, see you on April 24th if you dare!

Repost your post, it was deleted before I had the opportunity to respond. The one where you replied to being the jewish defense league.

Do you believe that Armenians who mix with jews produce Armenian children? Or do they produce jewish children? According to jews, you can't have it both ways.