Harut

Domino, you said "What value does a moorning has, when the subject you moorn you don't know about." so i repeat my question, "then at what point does one have enough knowledge to legitimately mourn?" for this case specifically, how much one has to know for his/her mourning to have a value?

then at what point does one have enough knowledge to legitimately mourn?

կոշկակարի կարը, կարծես թե, գալիս է կարել (հյուսել) բառից, այլ ոչթե վերը կշված կարենալ բառից...

տակավին չէի գիտնար, որ նախատելն ալ վերին ատյաններու կողմե հաստատւուծ իրաւունք կ'պահանջի...

so spank me...

it was not meant to be an insult... yes, it does take work to provide meaningful information and that's why i'm here and reading every post made in language forum: to learn and thank those who provide meaningful information and write back as little as i know, always claiming that i don't know much since languages is not my field of study... however, recent posters in language forum are providing abscure information with unsound reasoning, with dogmatic surity... on top of that, those, who so eagerly teach others the "correct" armenian language, make unbeleiveable amounts of mistakes in their armenian writings ("incorrect" according to whatever standard you want to take...) or write their posts in other language (english) or their knowlegde of armenian language is incomplete (which they either admit or it clearly shows in their posts)... these surely don't give to much credibilty to the posters.... still everybody has taken high stand and preaches the rest... thus my comment բոլորդ էլ ծակ պրոֆեսոր եք... it doesn't take a professor to discuss, but it does take a professor to lecture...

51) you are more armenian than most and yet you cannot relate to 90% of the things listed above...

բոլորդ էլ ծակ պրոֆեսոր եք...

amenalav@ comentatorn a... "patkeratsnum em inch vijakum er ays pahin Gevorgi mayr@... hayr@ mi kerp kdimanar..."

ոչ... ես դա չասացի... ես ասացի, որ ԻՄ սովորած հայերենը լավագույն հայերենն է... ինչպես և ՁԵՐ սովորած հայերենը լավագունն է Ձեր համար... դա բնական երևույթ է, քանիոր լեզուն ինքնին ՉՈՒՆԻ ճիշտ-սխալ, լավ-վատ, և այլն բնույթներ... պարզապես այն չափանշական էություն է ստանում հասարակության հաղորդակցությունը հեշտացնելու նպատակով... ցանկացած լեզվի չափանիշ ձևը հիմնված է այդ լեզվի որոշ տեսակի մշակված ձևի վրա... ինչպես, օրինակ՝ ժամանակակից արևելահայերենը հիմնված է երևանյան, քանաքեռի, ձևի վրա, այլ ոչ թե շիրակի ձևի վրա, որը իր էությամբ ոչմի ձևով չի զիջում երևանյանին... նմանապես՝ ներկայիս արևմտահայերենը հիմնված է պոլսո ձևի վրա, այլ ոչ թե, ասենք, մշո բարբառի վրա...

says who? the point is that it has already been done... the standard ea is already a well built new language which perfectly serves its purpose as a standardized language, constantly expending and adjusting to new needs of new times... why throw stones at it and try to "correct" it (which is a fallacy as i mentioned before) overnight when some 3 million people use it today with no problem whatsoever...

ոչ...

that's a conspiracy theory at best and just another fear factor insinuated in wa speakers by those to loathed ea at worst... i cannot image a situation where a top soviet leader (presumably a non-armenian) would give an order to armenian linguists, "go reform your language and make it more like russian so it will eventually die..." and IF that has been ordered indeed, who was going to check on them for a job-well-done? lenin? beria? or stalin the man himself? what is closer to reality is that most of those who worked on those reforms were educated in russia at one point or anther and had great russian language influence on their personal knowledge, assumptions, vision, etc in regards to armenian language...

any attempt, i repeat, ANY attempt to standardize the language, create rules of ANY kind, etc is a fallacy... no form of the language was handed down by god nor any of them grew on the tree of the languages... languages are formed by people who speak it... one's spoken form of the language is ALWAYS correct and superior one to him, and NO ONE can claim otherwise... furthermore, i see no difference between soviet reformers, those who standardized wa, or mesrop mashtots... they all did what they thought was right to make the communication of the masses easier... afterall, isn't the point of any standardization JUST THAT?

mi tsanot unem, mi angam asets, "vorbanotsi aghjik k'arrnes, vor zoqanch chunenas..." heto poshmanets, asets, "bayts vor zoqanch chunenas, en geragouyn hajouyq@, vor tghamard@ stanam u, yerbvor zoqanch@ merrnum a kyanqum ches zga... zoqanch unetsi, vor arzhananas ed hajouyqin..." ba, etents baner, paron Movses...

միակ խնդիրը այն է, որ ինչքան էլ նրանք ապրեն հայաստանում, ինչպեն բարեկամս սիրիայից, միևնուն է չեն սովորի առնետ բառը ճիշտ ասել... նրանք միշտ կասեն՝ gris...

you say culture... but do people / can people really unite around a culture? what are we uniting to do? to build a culture? to sustain an existing culture? sorry, i just don't get it... if to build, then does that mean we don't have one? if to sustain, then are we advocating united reservationism and shunning progress? maybe to create and flurish culture?... but then again, aren't people most creative when left alone or left alone to choose with whom to bind to create, and not be forced to be united with everyone... (kind of reminds of soviet union...)

we, armenians advocate unity at every step of our lives... yet we never specify what we should unite around... an idea? a struggle? a process? a project? a table of bread and wine? what? someone tell me what are we supposed to unite around?

btw, Anahid, i think you didn't get the question that i was raising and took the whole issue to a totally wrong direction... so, i'll take the question to the public...

i always knew that Arpa was "angaghapar"...

hmm... i didn't know you have to be a history wizz to be considered a true armenian (whatever the hell that is)... i guess i'm a true uzbek and armenian in name only...

ok... i didn't understand a thing you said... there is no dashnakism or ramkavarims... these are political parties... so what "qaghapar, gam qaghaparagan" are you reffering to? neither are antalias or echmiadsin ideas... so... in other word, the youth preffers to be "angaghapar"... ok... now you're beginning to make just a little sense... so, the cause we are called to unite around is the fight against assimilation? so... why are all armenians called to unite? armenians in armenia don't give a crap about assimilation... and why should they...

and why should they? why should everyone be concered about all the details of the genocide?

we, armenians advocate unity at every step of our lives... yet we never specify what we should unite around... an idea? a struggle? a process? a project? a table of bread and wine? what? someone tell me what are we supposed to unite around?

Ed jan, menak es topici mej 3 hat tarber tver tvetsir... es inch hashiv a?