Nakharar

I don't know about their denial or not, but ever since David Lloyd George they have been the steadfast and reliable supporters of Turkey. There is a lot of sympathy and pro-Turkish sentiments in the British establishment. On the Cyprus issue they make no secret of their support for the Turkish side.

People what are you doing? I can't believe how an innocent post like that can move in so many directions.

I always thought why someone can't create a virus that goes off every April 24th and publicizes the Armenian Genocide. That's something worth considering. Or unfurling banners on landmark sights such as the Arc de Triomphe, Acropolis, etc. like Greenpeace does.

Good friends are like stars... You don't always see them, but you know they are always there.

Wow that was beautiful.

A Koran Inspired Virus Doesn't Want any Porn No more access to pornographic sites! A trojan is angry with all the users surfing such addresses, the malicious code delivering them a message from the Koran. The trojan, dubbed Yusufali-A, analyses the words written in the title bar of the browser and if it detects words like “penis”, “sex” or similar, it will display a window with a message from the Koran, written in both Arab and English. If the users don’t leave the site, after a while, a For Exit Click Here button will appear and if they try to access the message, it will change to “OH! NO i'm in the Cage” The window has also LogOff, ShutDown and Restart buttons, all of them serving the same purpose: Logout. Sophos experts who found Yusufali-A say that there aren’t any other effects and that the trojan is just a sort of moral guardian. Obviously, the person behind this trojan has not been identified, but what if it has escaped from an Arab research lab? It’s not so bad that it blocks the porno sites, but the problem is it doesn’t make the difference between these and the sex education ones. We ask the maker to be more selective next time and who knows, maybe he will receive an award from an association which fights against online pornography.

Arabic Trojan horse interrupts adult website surfing with message from Koran http://www.sophos.com/images/common/misc/yusufali.jpg A new Trojan horse program circulating around the Internet this week appears to be on a moral mission to stamp out adult Web sites, according to security research firm Sophos. Instead of snooping for sensitive financial information or secretly taking control of an infected computer, the Trojan horse, called Yusufali-A, monitors Web surfing habits. When it spots an objectionable term such as "sex" or "exhibition" in the browser's title bar, it hides the Web site and instead pops up a message taken from the Koran, says Gregg Mastoras, a senior security analyst with Sophos. "Allah knows how ye move about and how ye dwell in your homes," reads part of the message, Mastoras says. If the user does not quit the offending Web site, the Trojan horse eventually displays a message reading "Oh! NO i'm in the Cage" and forces the computer to log out. Trojan horse programs are similar to viruses in that both contain malicious software that is installed on the user's computer. But Trojan horses, unlike viruses, do not try to spread to other computers once installed. Other than chastising adult Web site surfers, Yusufali-A appears to cause no serious harm to infected systems, Mastoras says. Users must be running the Windows operating system and must click on an e-mail attachment to become infected with the program, he adds. While Yusufali-A is unremarkable from a technical perspective, its moral tone sets it apart from other malicious software, Mastoras says. "It's remarkable to me because it's not really trying to steal any money or confidential information."

Whatever you say. But the last section in your last sentence shows that you put yourself above us. Remember the Roman saying: Who will guard the guards?

Banned about a trivial nothing. An exchange with Thoth was the main reason, who incidentally was also banned at a much later date. The gods here have a low tolerance threshold and who are we to question them lest we invoke their wrath.

Air France: Any individual requiring Flight readily accepts nasty crashing experience Alitalia: Airplane Landed In Tokyo And Luggage In Alaska AA: Abort! Abort! American: Airline Meals Eaten Regularly Induces Cramps and Nausea BA (British Airways) : Bloody Awful BOAC: Better On A Camel Delta: Damaged Engines Limit Take-off Ability EL AL: Exploded Luggage -- Airliner Lost Emirates: English Managed, Indian Run, A Thousand Expats Suffering GARUDA (Indonesian): Good And Reliable.........Under Dutch Administration LOT (Polish Airlines): Luggage On Tarmack Lufthansa: Let Us Fiddle The Hostess And Not Say Anything Olympic: Onassis Likes Your Money Paid In Cash Pan Am: Passengers Always Need A Mortician PIA (Pakistan Intl. Airlines): Passenger's Illegal Abductor Perhaps I Arrive Please Inform Allah Panic In Air QUANTAS: Quite A Nice Trip, Any Survivors? Sabena (Belgium): Such A Bad Experience; Never Again! TACA: Take A Coffin Along Tome Alcohol Cuanda Aborda THY (Turkish Airlines): They Hate You TWA: Terrorists With AK-47s United: U Need Insurance That Exempts Death US Air: Underwater seats available in rear Virgin: Very Interesting Ride Going Into Nymphos

From our friend Steve (Bellthecat) who does more than we do complaining: http://www.armenianow.com/?action=viewArti...ID=1040&lng=eng Monumental Effort: Scotsman wants to prove Azeri policy of cultural destruction in Nakhijevan By Gayane Mkrtchyan ArmeniaNow reporter A Scotsman, Steven Sim, takes out books about Armenian historical and cultural monuments from his backpack, as well as maps of contemporary and historical Armenian territories. He says that he is in love with Armenian monuments, and this love was born in him 20 years ago when he visited the ruins of Ani, once Armenia’s capital, and made his first photograph there. “During these years I visited Turkey many times and photographed Armenian monuments. I even photographed the monuments in the waters of the river Arax that remained under water when the river’s dams were built,” says the ???? year old ????. Armenian monuments are of interest to me by their original beauty, and because they are not known to the world.” Currently on one of his visits to Armenia, Sim was just in Nakhijevan, visiting the famous Armenian cemetery in Nor Jugha, from where he returned angry and disappointed. “I was advised to leave the place as soon as possible unless I wanted trouble,” Sim says. Ten years ago Sim was in Iran and saw the Jugha khachkars across the border. He says that from that moment he had been longing to visit the place and see the cultural values of world importance. “Generally, the photographs of the monuments of Nakhijevan were published in numerous books. I was also advised to go and see them by the chairman of the Research on Armenian Architecture organization Armen Hakhnazaryan, with whom I have close ties,” says Sim. Sim fulfilled his dream two weeks ago. He went to Turkey, and from there to Nakhijevan (which is under Azerbaijan rule), then he took a train to Jugha to see the khachkars of the cemetery on the road, as the railway directly passes by the cemetery. But he was quickly spotted as a foreigner. Sim says that controllers strictly prohibited him from taking photographs or even to look out of the window. “They did everything to distract my attention, even by treating me to tea,” Sim says. “Before reaching Jugha two of the controllers left the compartment and I had time to look through the window. I was taken aback, because there was not a single standing khachkar (stone cross) there. All of them were lying, facing the ground, or ruined. Meanwhile, 10 years ago I saw from across the border 2,000 standing khachkars.” The Jugha cemetery situated on a territory of 1,600 sq. meters is located on the west side of Jugha – on three hills. It is famous for its khachkars. In 1648, according to the data of traveler Alexander Rodes, it had 10,000 well-preserved khachkars. In 1903-1904, after the construction of a railway, along with the destruction of a number of the town’s monuments also destroyed were part of the cemetery’s khachkars. During that time there were 5,000 standing and collapsed khachkars registered. According to the data of 1915 and then 1928-29, there were up to 3,000 khachkars and a few thousand flat, two-edged, cap-shaped tombstones. In 1971-1973, only 2,707 were preserved in Jugha, and in the cemeteries of churches and the All-Savior monastery and elsewhere there were 250 khachkars, and 1,000 tombstones. Sim says that a great part of the cemetery situated on a hill next to Jugha does not exist anymore. The khachkars on the other two hills are turned upside down. In 1998-1999, Iranian-Armenian architects photographed evidence that the Azeris were using bulldozers to destroy the last vestiges of Armenian culture in the territory across the Arax. “What I saw was real savageness, but I cannot say that they did not leave anything, since there are still lying khachkars,” says Sim. After Jugha he decided to go to see the current condition of the churches that he saw in books. He took a taxi from Nakhijevan????? to the town of Abrakunis to see Surb Karapet Church (1381). Sim photographed from the same spot, the same scene that he saw in the books, but without the church. “They razed it to the ground, they did not leave even the slightest thing reminding of the church, it was totally cleared. When I asked the locals where the village church was, they showed the empty territory situated near the entrance. The only thing that reminds of the existence of a church in the past was the pieces of brick buried in the ground,” says Sim. After Abrakunis he went north and visited the villages of Khanega, Ilandagh (Odzasar) and Khachi Sar. There he also found ruined and destroyed Armenian monuments and churches. The following day he took a bus to Ordubad to go to on to Agulis from there. However, the police prohibited him from going to Agulis. They even prohibited him to leave the center of the town. “I did not oppose the ban, as tension was already obvious. Officially the purpose of my visit there was to see Islamic and Armenian holy places. In Nakhijevan they treat foreigners with suspicion. It does not matter whether you are an Armenian or a representative of another nationality. In Ordubad, too, every Armenian thing was destroyed,” he says. Thereafter, Sim went to one of the remotest regions of Nakhijevan to see whether such a situation was everywhere. He went to the village of Shorut. What Sim saw there brought him to one conviction: “It is a special state policy being implemented throughout Nakhijevan.” Nothing is left of the churches once situated in Shorut – the churches of Patriarch Hakob, Grigor Lusavorich, Surb Stepanos, Surb Astvatsatsin, nor the khachkars dated 924-926. The villagers claim that there were no Armenian churches there. The oldest of them even began to speak Armenian with Sim to try to identify his nationality. Having visited Turkey and Azerbaijan, studying the Armenian monuments Sim says: “I don’t think that there is a central government program in Turkey to destroy monuments. There, it is even possible to purchase travel guides telling about numerous Armenian churches. But a special state policy of destruction is being implemented in Azerbaijan. In Turkey, after 90 years of staying empty, there are still standing churches today, meanwhile in Nakhijevan, all have been destroyed within just 10 years.” After Shorut Sim returned to Turkey, and from there came to Armenia. “I raise my voice of protest and want everybody to listen to me. If such monuments are being destroyed, then it is an evil deed directed against all of mankind,” Sim said on a visit to ArmeniaNow newsroom. “The khachkars of Jugha are cultural values of international importance. Once, the problem was raised at UNESCO, however Azerbaijan did not receive its representatives, which shows that they are hiding the facts. And the photographs are very, very important. It will be possible to prove the truth through them.”

People will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel.

"Human beings are the only creatures that allow their children to come back home and be happy."

National Guardsmen Pour Into Louisiana By ALLEN G. BREED NEW ORLEANS (AP) - Thousands of National Guardsmen with food, water and weapons streamed into Louisiana on Friday to bring relief to New Orleans' suffering multitudes and put down the looting and violence. ``The cavalry is and will continue to arrive,'' said one general. The assurances came amid blistering criticism from the mayor and others who said the federal government had bungled the relief effort and let people die in the streets for lack of food, water or medicine. In Washington, President Bush admitted ``the results are not acceptable'' and pledged to bolster the relief efforts with a personal trip to the Gulf Coast on Friday. ``We'll get on top of this situation,'' he said before setting out, ``and we're going to help the people that need help.'' Earlier Friday, an explosion at a chemical depot rocked a wide area of New Orleans and jolted residents awake, lighting up the dark sky and sending a pillar of acrid gray smoke over a ruined city awash in perhaps thousands of corpses, under siege from looters, and seething with anger and resentment. A second large fire erupted downtown in an old retail building in a dry section of Canal Street. There were no immediate reports of injuries. But the fires deepened the sense of total collapse in the city since Hurricane Katrina slammed ashore Monday morning. The blast took place in a section of the city directly across the Mississippi River from the French Quarter. It was about two miles from the Louisiana Superdome and less than a mile from the New Orleans Convention Center, the two spots where tens of thousands of hungry, desperate and hostile refugees awaited buses to deliver them from their misery. Lt. Gen. Steven Blum of the National Guard said 7,000 National Guardsmen arriving in Louisiana on Friday would be dedicated to restoring order in New Orleans. He said half of them had just returned from assignments overseas and are ``highly proficient in the use of lethal force.'' He pledged to ``put down'' the violence ``in a quick and efficient manner.'' ``But they are coming here to save Louisiana citizens. The only thing we are attacking is the effects of this hurricane,'' he said. Blum said that a huge airlift of supplies was landing Friday and that it signaled ``the cavalry is and will continue to arrive.'' As he left the White House for his visit to the devastated area, Bush said 600 newly arrived military police officers would be sent to the convention center to secure the site so that food and medicine could get there. City officials have accused the government - namely the Federal Emergency Management Agency - of being slow to recognize the magnitude of the tragedy and slow to send help. ``Get off your asses and let's do something,'' Mayor Ray Nagin told WWL-AM Thursday night in a rambling interview in which he cursed, yelled and ultimately burst into tears. At one point he said: ``Excuse my French - everybody in America - but I am pissed.'' Across the city, law and order broke down. Police officers turned in their badges. Rescuers, law officers and helicopter were shot at by storm victims. Fistfights and fires broke out Thursday at the hot and stinking Superdome as thousands of people waited in misery to board buses for the Houston Astrodome. Corpses lay out in the open in wheelchairs and in bedsheets. The looting continued. Gov. Kathleen Blanco called the looters ``hoodlums'' and issued a warning to lawbreakers: Hundreds of National Guardsmen hardened on the battlefield in Iraq have landed in New Orleans. ``They have M-16s and they're locked and loaded,'' she said. ``These troops know how to shoot and kill, and they are more than willing to do so, and I expect they will.'' At the Superdome, group of refugees broke through a line of heavily armed National Guardsmen in a scramble to get on to the buses. And about 15,000 to 20,000 people who had taken shelter at the convention center grew ever more hostile after waiting for buses for days amid the filth and the dead, including at least seven bodies scattered outside the building. Police Chief Eddie Compass said there was such a crush around a squad of 88 officers that they retreated when they went in to check out reports of assaults. ``We have individuals who are getting raped, we have individuals who are getting beaten,'' Compass said. ``Tourists are walking in that direction and they are getting preyed upon.'' A military helicopter tried to land at the convention center several times to drop off food and water. But the rushing crowd forced the choppers to back off. Troopers then tossed the supplies to the crowd from 10 feet off the ground and flew away. ``There's a lot of very sick people - elderly ones, infirm ones - who can't stand this heat, and there's a lot of children who don't have water and basic necessities to survive on,'' said Daniel Edwards, 47, outside the center. ``We need to eat, or drink water at the very least.'' An old man in a chaise lounge lay dead in a grassy median as hungry babies wailed around him. Around the corner, an elderly woman lay dead in her wheelchair, covered up by a blanket, and another body lay beside her wrapped in a sheet. ``I don't treat my dog like that,'' Edwards said as he pointed at the woman in the wheelchair. ``You can do everything for other countries, but you can't do nothing for your own people.'' Michael Brown, director of the Federal Emergency Management Agency, said FEMA just learned about the situation at the convention center Thursday and quickly scrambled to provide food, water and medical care and remove the corpses. By midmorning Friday, despite a constant buzzing of military helicopters overhead, there was still no sign of the relief to the tens of thousands lined up outside the convention center. ``I'm trying to keep hope alive, but slowly my hope is fading,'' said refugee Carl Clark. ``Believe it or not, these people are human. Right now they're crowded like animals. They're trying to keep their dignity. ... I don't even know what the Red Cross looks like.'' Raymond Whitfield, 51, watched a National Guard truck drive by the convention center, but like most other official vehicles, it did not stop. ``The National Guard just drives around and around. I know the police, the National Guard, they got generators, so they can sleep and eat,'' he said. ``Look at them,'' he said of the men inside the truck, ``they're not even sweating.'' ``Everybody's on the edge right now,'' said 28-year-old Kenya Green. ``Every day, it's `The bus is coming, The bus is coming,' but still nothing. ... They don't give us no information.'' Conditions were dire at the Superdome as well. By Thursday evening, 11 hours after the military began evacuating the Superdome, the arena held 10,000 more people than it did at dawn. Evacuees from across the city swelled the crowd to about 30,000 because they believed the arena was the best place to get a ride out of town. The flow of refugees to the Houston Astrodome was temporarily halted overnight after about 11,000 people had arrived - less than half the estimated 23,000 people expected. ``We've actually reached capacity for the safety and comfort of the people inside there,'' American Red Cross spokeswoman Dana Allen said. She said people were ``packed pretty tight'' on the floor. Texas Gov. Rick Perry announced that Dallas would host 25,000 more refugees at Reunion Arena and 25,000 others would relocate to a San Antonio warehouse at KellyUSA, a city-owned complex that once was home to an Air Force base. Houston estimated as many as 55,000 people who fled the hurricane were staying in area hotels. While floodwaters in New Orleans appeared to stabilize, efforts continued to plug three breaches in the levees that protect this bowl-shaped, below-sea-level city, which is wedged between Lake Pontchartrain and the Mississippi River. Helicopters dropped sandbags into the breach and pilings were being pounded into the mouth of the canal Thursday to close its connection to the lake. The chief of the Louisiana State Police said he heard of numerous instances of New Orleans police officers - many of whom from flooded areas - turning in their badges. ``They indicated that they had lost everything and didn't feel that it was worth them going back to take fire from looters and losing their lives,'' Col. Henry Whitehorn said. Tourist Debbie Durso of Washington, Mich., said she asked a police officer for assistance and his response was, ``'Go to hell - it's every man for himself.''' FEMA officials said some operations had to be suspended in areas where gunfire had broken out. Outside a looted Rite-Aid drugstore, some people were anxious to show they needed what they were taking. A gray-haired man who would not give his name pulled up his T-shirt to show a surgery scar and explained that he needs pads for incontinence. ``I'm a Christian,'' he said. ``I feel bad going in there.'' Hospitals struggled to evacuate critically ill patients who were dying for lack of oxygen, insulin or intravenous fluids. But when some hospitals try to airlift patients, Coast Guard Lt. Cmdr. Cheri Ben-Iesan said, ``there are people just taking potshots at police and at helicopters, telling them, `You better come get my family.''' Associated Press reporters Adam Nossiter, Brett Martel, Emily Wagster Pettus, Robert Tanner and Mary Foster contributed to this report.

Neo Orleans a floating megacity http://www.dorkingout.com/archives/2005/08...neo_orleans.php http://www.dorkingout.com/images/neoorleans.gif

An Islamic Europe? August 28, 2005 - Washington Times EURABIA: THE EURO-ARAB AXIS By Bat Ye'or Fairleigh Dickinson, $23.95, 270 pages REVIEWED BY JULIA DUIN In Europe, the cathedrals are empty and the mosques are full. One reason the former Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger became Pope Benedict XVI this spring is because the 115 cardinals who gathered in Rome saw Europe's rechristianization as their top priority. They wanted a man who could not only fight the Islamic and secularist tides sweeping the continent, they needed a candidate who understood the profound hostility both cultures have toward a Christian Europe. Hostility? Yes, says Bat Ye'or, a scholar living in Switzerland, who says the battle of Tours, where Charles Martel and the Franks in 732 turned back the Muslim armies, is being refought. This time, says the author, who has written three previous books on conditions of Christians and Jews living in Islamic countries, Muslims will suceed in Islamicizing Europe, with immense consequences for the United States. Despite diplomatic niceties, Christians and Jews are -- and always will be -- considered as infidels for refusing Islam's truth, writes Ms. Ye'or. As Muslim immigrants pour into Europe, what is emerging, in her view, "is a new Eurabian culture with its own dogma, preachers, axioms and rules." Listing an array of conferences, speeches and documents from Islamic groups intent on forming Europe into an Islamic state, the author documents several trends to support her thesis: -- Middle Eastern Muslims in search of jobs and greater political freedom have immigrated to Europe in droves, particularly France, which is now eight percent Muslim. -- The Muslim influx has brought a rising anti-Semitism. The year 2001 was in Europe a time of record assaults on Jews, she says; the term "Jew" has become the all-purpose insult in parts of France, and the Holocaust is increasingly being denied. -- The Crusades are being repackaged to become a tale of Islamic victimization at the hands of barbaric Christian Europeans. Histories of the Crusades, she adds, tend to leave out how Muslims swept through Christianized lands from Persia to Spain within the space of about 100 years, engulfing Syria, Lebanon, Sicily, much of Turkey and Palestine, not to mention all of northern Africa. Nearly 10 centuries later, Europeans are witnessing the unwitting Islamicization of their own continent and today, "at the dawn of the 21st century," writes Ms. Ye'or, "a conflict of civilizations is reemerging on European soil in the context of Islamic immigration." She doesn't cite specific figures but a December 2004 Pew Forum, "Muslims and the Future of Europe," points out the number of Muslims in Europe has tripled in the past 30 years and that Islam is now the continent's fastest-growing religion. To date, 23 million Muslims comprise five percent of Europe's 425 million residents, but with Muslim immigrants having a birthrate three times their European neighbors, it will double to 10 percent by 2020. The future, says Bat Ye'or, will look like her Jewish childhood in Muslim Egypt, where she experienced how Muslims deal with religious minorities. With the exception of Turkey, majority Muslim countries do not separate mosque and state; therefore life as a Christian, Jew, Hindu or nonbeliever in such lands is a second-class existence at best. What she finds indefensible are Christian theologians who do not grasp that in Islamic eyes, Christianity is a perversion of the original religion handed down by Allah which is, of course, Islam. She finds the new European constitution, which leaves out mention Christianity as the founding religion of the continent, as one more sign of the emptying of the public square. In old Europe's place will be "Eurabia," a federation of majority Islamic republics backed by the Euro and arrayed against the United States and Israel. With a rise in anti-Americanism, fanned into flames in the 1960s by France's Charles de Gaulle and a corresponding hatred of Israel in Europe, her scenario is that it wouldn't take much to re-ignite anti-Semitism there. Already, she writes, Paris, with its Islamic ghettos, competes with Vienna as being the most anti-Semitic city in Europe. Europeans have sought out Arab and Palestinian alliances in reaction to the U.S.-Israel axis and because of their dependence on Middle Eastern oil. Joint Euro-Arab cultural centers have sprung up in European cities to teach the Arabic language and Islamic culture. One factor hindering Europeans from understanding their Islamic future, she points out, is ignorance of their own history. For instance, the Iberian peninsula was overrun by Arab armies from 710-716 AD. Toledo, which was conquered during this period, revolted in 713 and its notables rewarded by having their throats slit. Inhabitants of Toledo, Cordova and Merida all revolted during the early ninth century and were met with executions and crucifixions. Seville revolted in 891 and its inhabitants were massacred. In 1066, 3,000 Jews were killed in Granada. Yet today, the author says, this 700-year conquest has been recast as "Andalusia," an idyllic concept among academics of peaceful Muslim-Jewish-Christian coexistence during those centuries. Bat Ye'or does not claim objectivity but she does say her read of history is accurate, but largely ignored. Thus she wrote the book in English (her earlier works were translated from French) in hope of interesting Americans who experienced September 11. American readers might find her history of Euro-Arab cooperation as a pretty dense read but they may agree that a religious tsunami is approaching Europe and its inhabitants need to be warned. Not only have European leaders allowed the political and cultural subversion of an entire continent, the author believes, but Christian leaders have tolerated religious rivalries among themselves that have benefited Muslims. Secular leaders, eager to shed the last remains of Christendom, have followed along. So that now, "A conflict of civilizations is reemerging on European soil," she warns, but "western politicians choose to circumvent, rather than confront it." Julia Duin is chief religion writer for The Washington Times.

The only thing I like about Sergio Leone's movies are Ennio Morricone's scores.

You wish. The Ittihadits got away because they weren't your uncouth renegades. On the contrary what makes them stand out from these groups was that they acted as civilized gentlemen using a liberal and seemingly humanitarian discourse from the outset. Maybe that's why they were so succesful in deceiving everybody not at least us Armenians.

That the wife of Shah Jahan was Armenian is news to me and very unlikely. Just like some people still claim that Gregory Peck or Gwen Stefani are Armenian. I couldn't find anything Armenian about her: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mumtaz_Mahal

Sorry but I have to disagree. Their facial expressions couldn't have been more perfect for this picture. Afterall we are descended from apes. Or from Adam and Eve for those who think otherwise. I could have posted another picture with Bush which would be rightfully deemed obscene and that would have me permanently banned from Hyeforum.

That is rather easy to answer. We are currying the favor of the (unfortunately) sole superpower like many small and midsized countries in exchange for monetary and political gains or just a pat on the shoulder simply to remind them that we exist as a country. There are no long term benefits to be gained. At least we are not like Georgia and Uzbekistan who are pathetically grateful that their names are being mentioned by the US President as "indispensable" allies who stood by them at their hour of peril. Given the black and white mindset of the US administration you are either on their side or the other and unfortunately for economically weak countires like ours who are outside the protection of international "rackets" like the EU or Asean, though with some exceptions, are difficult to avoid. It is called Realpolitik and I'm sure it must have been a bitter pill to swallow for the Armenian government.

Yes, I had to post that picture. By chance I was looking at this picture. It couldn't have come at a better moment.

Dubya and Ari http://www.huppi.com/t/image_collections/rand_comics/w_and_a.jpg

I have no persecution complex. Nor do I whine. We should care less about Europe, Greece or the rest. So should you.

Europe is a lost cause. I don't know where you live, but take a look around in the Netherlands, France or the UK, etc. Fortress Europe is already crumbling even before its inception. Not that they don't deserve it. A mongrelized Europe is the price for previous sins committed. Let's see to it that Armenia doesn't become like that. Tant pis for our European "cousins".